Mars the anomalies The moon too., part II

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MeteorWayne

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Everyone knows the sand is blue, and the stuff on the surface is really cranberries. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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SpaceKiwi

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Good grief, they've found cranberries in the Sahara as well?! False colours and falsehoods ... I think I need a lie down.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>
 
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yevaud

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Well, Mr. dfrank, it's been 24 hours, and you still haven't answered my simple questions. Is there a <i>problem</i>? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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a_lost_packet_

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<font color="yellow">Yevaud - Well, Mr. dfrank, it's been 24 hours, and you still haven't answered my simple questions. Is there a problem?</font><br /><br />Google was broke. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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mental_avenger

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<font color="yellow"> Google was broke. </font><br /><br /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> ROTFLMAO <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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yevaud

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The Movie: <i>Brokeback Phenomena</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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The mind boggles! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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yevaud

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40 hours and counting, dfrank. Surely Googling this can't be that difficult, can it?<br /><br />[Crickets Chirping] <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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He's done a runner, I think. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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yevaud

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I do believe you're right. A pity. I would have enjoyed reading his skewed and incorrect answers and evasions thereof. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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MeteorWayne

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I suspect the net of finding who he really is was closing in, so it was time to go away. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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You mean to say he wasn't 97? Was not an amospheric physicist? Wasn't there when Viking landed! <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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dfrank

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Now why would I not to want to chat with a bunch of fine fellows like you.<br /><br />A. Because no matter what I said you would say I googled it?<br />B. You would say I called my self an atmospheric physicist when I said I was an atmospheric scientist?<br />C. You think I believe the sky on Mars is blue like Earth.<br />D. You want me to prove every opinion I have.<br />E. You like to make yourself seem smart by dissecting everything a person says and discounting it as tin foil, because there is no way of knowing, and you can.<br />F. All of the above.<br /><br />I think I would do better at NASA. At least there they can look at the visible data and speculate. Look at the link below. There is no way to say for sure that the white stains in the grayscale image is water or has anything to do with water. They are just using the duck principle, you know if it looks like a duck.<br /><br />http://mpfwww.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20061206b.html<br /><br />I am glad they did not present this on this forum first. Even in this thread they would have been called woo-woo’s by a few rock heads. Yes I said rock heads. I figure if woo-woo’s can stand on this forum then rock heads should as well. <br /><br />Who am I? I am the man who announced the mid and upper level dynamics of tropical storm dean move of the coast of Africa, and called it before anyone on this forum. That can not be denied, that is fact. Now what response will I get for that? I do not think just anyone could have done that. In the Earth science section of this forum my knowledge can not be faked.<br /><br />Hear it is a different world. Any opinion can be smacked around. No joy in a free and friendly exchange here. I wonder why we would not get a lot of speculation on this Mars anomaly thread. Could it be they are afraid of a few rock heads? I bet there are a lot of people that see things and wonder, maybe things we do not see. When you beh
 
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pierround

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Yes Dfrank, they kind of took the fun right out of it.<br />I have no desire to even post on this site anymore, anywhere.<br />
 
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MeteorWayne

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pierround,<br /><br />Reality is tough, eh? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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brandbll

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See ya buddy. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>
 
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agent99

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Mr frank, I understand what your saying about those old tube tellys and cameras. The set up proceedures for color here on earth would work just the same on mars. So why did the viking images show up as blue? Is the atmosphere thicker than what they tell us today? Billslugg posted some images recently that seem to show cumulonimbus clouds. It's in another thread he created.
 
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JonClarke

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Welcome to SDC agent 99.<br /><br />Several points worth noting<br /><br />The Viking images are not TV pictures. They are still images. Furthermore the camera technology is different to conventional TV cameras<br /><br />Secondly, without calibration colour reconstructions can be wrong. We only get true colours on TV because these are being monitored and corrected. Remember test patterns?<br /><br />Third, the first image from Viking showed a pinkish sky. <br /><br /><i>Before the flight, the cameras had been calibrated and the sensitivity of each sensor-filter combination determined. "Qualitative tests indicated that simple normalization of the voltages for the three color channels was sufficient to produce reasonable color images. In making that judgment our attention was generally directed to saturated colors in the natural scene and test target." When the first color data were received, Mutch's specialists used the same normalization techniques to calibrate the image. "The result was surprising and disquieting. The entire scene, ground and atmosphere alike, was bathed in a reddish glow. Unwilling to commit ourselves publicly to this provocative display, we adjusted the parameters in the calibration program until the sky came out a neutral gray." The soil and rocks demonstrated good contrast, and the colors "seemed reasonable." This was the picture released eight hours later. "But in our chagrin," Mutch recalled, "the sky took on a bluish hue during reconstruction and photo-reproduction. The media representatives were delighted with the Earth-like colors of the scene."<br /><br />While the television and newspaper reporters hurried to get this color print before their respective audiences, continued analysis supported the reality of an orangish tint throughout the scene. The atmospheric coloration was due to the presence of suspended soil particles in the thin air. Mutch recalled: "Several days after the first release, we distributed a second version, this time with th</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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pierround

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>pierround, <br /><br />Reality is tough, eh? <br /> <br /><br /><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />No talking to people with out any vision is tuff like talking to walls.<br /><br />Walls are one sided and the same from the other side.<br />Sooner or later they are scaled and left behind.<br /><br />Or they come tumbling down.<br />I think if people read back I have presented a good case of other probabilities and a hint of evidence.<br /><br />If I could go back to 1999 or 2000 in here, in the archives, you are the same people that absolutely refused to accept that there was water on mars at all.<br />That wall came tumbling down.<br /><br />The reality that I suspect may or may not be true will just be slower in coming to light.<br />I have faith in the unseen as well as the seen and I know it is possible that there may have been what my signature is supposing.<br />Talking to know it alls is depressing especially when you purposefully reject everything that may be possible.<br />So I have to wonder can you possibly drink the water with out regurgitating?<br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />
 
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pierround

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Now that’s a white spot Billslugg..<br />Two holes in the tail and the tail s contoured.<br /><br />
 
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a_lost_packet_

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<font color="yellow">pierround - No talking to people with out any vision is tuff like talking to walls.</font><br /><br />The same type of people that disagree with your hasty assumptions here are the same type of people that work on the satellites, launch the rockets, plan the missions, investigate the unknown and provide you with the pictures you are so quick to make conclusions about. They don't have a lack of vision. They just have more stringent requirements when engaged in the pursuit of knowledge than you do. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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JonClarke

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<i>If I could go back to 1999 or 2000 in here, in the archives, you are the same people that absolutely refused to accept that there was water on mars at all.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately because of the great crash we don't have records before July 2004. But to my knowledge the only person who consistently denied liquid water on these boards was stevehw33, now banned. Kindly do not make false accusations against the rest of us again. I, for one have always recognised the evidence in favour of abundant liquid water in Martian past and occasional liquid water in the present. So have other posters here.<br /><br />I thought we agreed that the white spot in the HiRISE image was almost certianly a residual patch of frost of snow. This is the most likley explanation given its occurrence in what appears to be a hollow, the time of the Martian year, the very high latitude, and the presence of similar features elsewhere. If you have evidence that pushes towards less likely explanations, then share it.<br /><br />I also remeind you that you posted a whole lot of very nice goofle earth images of Oregon and then left without answers a range of questions I asked about them. It seems a bit of a waset to have gone to that effort and then not want to follow through the discussion, which was proving interesting and productive.<br /><br />Jon<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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