Negative Mass exists, Newton's Laws opposite

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In the everyday world, when an object is pushed, it accelerates in the same direction as the force applied to it; this relationship is described by Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion. But in theory, matter can have negative mass in the same sense that an electric charge can be positive or negative. Despite being completely inconsistent with a common-sense approach and the expected behavior of "normal" matter, negative mass is completely mathematically consistent and introduces no violation of conservation of momentum or energy. Bondi pointed out that negative mass is not contradictory to General Relativity (Rev. Mod. Phys., 1957). Yet surprisingly enough, there is nothing in physics that rules out things having a negative mass, or time moving in either direction. Recently there have been two negative mass experiments, both are separate and independent from each other, in which both are presenting the “opposite from Newton’s Laws”.

Negative Mass Exists and is opposite from Newton’s Laws;

Example 1

Physicists have created a fluid with "negative mass", which accelerates towards you when pushed, which is opposite from Newton’s Law, and is stable (1). Colleagues cooled rubidium atoms to just above the temperature of absolute zero (close to -273C), creating what's known as a Bose-Einstein condensate. In this state, particles move extremely slowly, and follow behavior predicted by quantum mechanics, acting like waves. To create the conditions for negative mass, the researchers used lasers to trap the rubidium atoms and to kick them back and forth, changing the way they spin. When the atoms were released from the laser trap, they expanded, with some displaying negative mass. "With negative mass, if you push something, it accelerates toward you," said co-author Michael Forbes, assistant professor of physics at WSU. "What's a first here is the exquisite control we have over the nature of this negative mass, without any other complications," said Dr Forbes. This heightened control also gives researchers a tool for exploring the possible relationships between negative mass and phenomena observed in the cosmos, such as neutron stars, black holes and dark energy.

Example 2

The experiment was conducted in zero-temperature super fluids, which are a strange type of fluid that flow with no resistance at all at temperatures close to absolute zero (2). Under those conditions, Nicolis and his team reported seeing phonons' trajectories bend upwards, seemingly in opposition to the effect of gravity. "In a gravitational field phonons slowly accelerate in the opposite direction that you would expect, say, a brick to fall," one of the team, Rafael Krichevsky. In 2018, however, Riccardo Penco at Carnegie Mellon University and Niciolis and made an astonishing discovery when observing particle-like sound waves (called phonons) propagating through superfluid helium, cooled close to absolute zero. They found that the phonons moved in upward trajectories, against gravity. Contrary to classical models of sound waves, this implied that the phonons were coupled to gravity, allowing them to carry minuscule amounts of “negative effective gravitational mass” as they travelled (4),

Example 3

Neutrons Defy Classical Physics in Astonishing Experiment - Quantum theory allows particles to exist in superposition states, defying classical realism. The Leggett-Garg inequality tests this by comparing quantum behavior against classical expectations. Recent neutron beam experiments at TU, Wien confirmed that particles do violate this inequality, reinforcing the validity of quantum theory over classical explanations. In 1985, a way of measuring this was proposed: the so-called “Leggett-Garg inequality.” Any theory that describes our world without the strange superposition states of quantum theory must obey this inequality. Quantum theory, on the other hand, violates it. Measurements with neutrons testing this “Leggett-Garg inequality” have now been carried out for the first time at TU Wien – with a clear result: the Leggett-Garg inequality is violated, classical explanations are not possible, quantum theory wins. The results have now been published in the journal Physical Review Letters (5).


So my first thought is if the fabric of space is intertwined with energy and time as Einstein’s GR says, and we can establish that negative energy can exist without disappearing, as other energy waves/particles may not be stable enough to exist in our universe and thus disappear after microseconds. So we see a stable negative mass object, and if negative mass is opposite to the rules of “normal” matter/Newton’s Laws, then can time flow in both directions? Since time would move the opposite (backwards) direction that time would flow from positive matter (forward). Is this possible?

Time runs both ways;

(3) But a few years ago, we experimentally proved the laws of physics are different depending on which direction time runs. Here's how we know.

The second reason is that we live in a Universe where there's more matter than antimatter, but the laws of physics we know are completely symmetric between matter and antimatter. Digging through nearly 10 years of data from billions of particle collisions, researchers found that certain particle types change into one another much more often in one way than they do in the other, a violation of time reversal symmetry and confirmation that some subatomic processes have a preferred direction of time. Lead researcher Dr. Gordey Lesovik, who heads the Laboratory of the Physics of Quantum Information at the MIPT, said: “We have artificially created a state that evolves in a direction opposite to that of the thermodynamic arrow of time.”

In our everyday experiences, clocks never run backwards; scrambled eggs never un-cook and unscramble themselves; shattered glass never spontaneously reassembles itself. But if you were to look at the laws of physics that govern the way the Universe works ⁠— from Newton's laws of motion down to the quantum physics of subatomic particles ⁠— you'd find something peculiar and unexpected: the rules are exactly the same whether time runs forwards or backwards.

Based on this information it is plausible that positive mass follows Newton’s Laws, and Negative mass follow the rules/laws “reversed” and time can flow in both directions since classical explanations are not possible, and quantum theory/superposition wins. Should we explore this possibility? Thoughts?



If the absolute value of positive mass is bigger than that of negative mass, they will meet within finite time(attractive effect). Could this be black holes, and could they grow larger by the negative mass it collects? Is the reason some black holes have the arch going up opposite of the secretion disk, having to do with negative mass as shown create/moved in upward trajectories, against gravity?

1 Physicists observe 'negative mass' - BBC News

2 Researchers suggest phonons may have mass and perhaps negative gravity

3 No, The Laws Of Physics Are Not The Same Forwards And Backwards In Time

4 Sound carries mass | Nature Reviews Physics

5 Mind-Bending Discovery: Neutrons Defy Classical Physics in Astonishing Experiment
 
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All of the above examples exist only at the quantum level, they do not appear in the macro world.
So the arch from black holes extending up and opposite of the secretion disk is showing upward trajectories (opposite of gravity which is downward) similar to what negative mass does, against gravity under micro conditions? Is this not an example, since classic physics tells us that gravity causes downward trajectories?
 
The jets escaping from the poles of a Black Hole are spewed out of the accretion area, not from inside the event horizon. They are propelled by immense pressures caused by the BH gravity field and magnetic fields compressing plasma into the area just outside the event horizon. This gas is held in place by intense magnetic field lines across which a plasma cannot move. There are only two escape hatches, one at each pole. This is because the magnetic field lines are parallel to the escaping plasma velocity vector. There is no need to invoke "negative mass" which does not exist

Yes, negative mass is not forbidden by the model but lots of things can solve an equation but have no real world presence. For example, the area of a square is x^2. But a negative number will also solve the equation. There is no such thing as negative area in the real world.
 
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The jets escaping from the poles of a Black Hole are spewed out of the accretion area, not from inside the event horizon. They are propelled by immense pressures caused by the BH gravity field and magnetic fields compressing plasma into the area just outside the event horizon. This gas is held in place by intense magnetic field lines across which a plasma cannot move. There are only two escape hatches, one at each pole. This is because the magnetic field lines are parallel to the escaping plasma velocity vector. There is no need to invoke "negative mass" which does not exist

Yes, negative mass is not forbidden by the model but lots of things can solve an equation but have no real world presence. For example, the area of a square is x^2. But a negative number will also solve the equation. There is no such thing as negative area in the real world.
I wasn't referring to the jets escaping, I was referring to the shape/structure of some black holes with the ring of the black hole arched upward above the accretion disk. Gravity as we know it. should have a downward trajectory and that gravity should pull down and fall, so how are we seeing the structure of a black hole curve upwards which is opposite of gravity as we know it? Does this not show that gravity is behaving opposite of what we know it to be through this observation?
 
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The Black Hole is spherical. The accretion disc is a flat disc located at the BH equator. The accretion disc is not part of the BH, it lies outside the event horizon. A BH along with its associated accretion disc looks like Saturn, a ball with a disc.
 
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The Black Hole is spherical. The accretion disc is a flat disc located at the BH equator. The accretion disc is not part of the BH, it lies outside the event horizon. A BH along with its associated accretion disc looks like Saturn, a ball with a disc.
I appreciate your response and I understand what you are saying. I am not understanding how the arch of rings on a black hole can have an upwards trajectory when gravity only has a downward trajectory based on gravity as we know it. Shouldn't the laws of gravity as we know them say that the ring/particles should be pulled down as gravity says, and instead we see it having an upward trajectory which is opposite? Isn't this an example of gravity working the wrong way?
 
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In the volume just outside the event horizon:
- Gravity pulls everything towards the center of the sphere.
- Magnetic fields compress everything (except at the poles).
- Gas pressure due to heat pushes upward and outward everywhere.

Gravity and magnetism win everywhere except at the poles.
 
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In the volume just outside the event horizon:
- Gravity pulls everything towards the center of the sphere.
- Magnetic fields compress everything (except at the poles).
- Gas pressure due to heat pushes upward and outward everywhere.

Gravity and magnetism win everywhere except at the poles.

Please view the simulated photograph from James Webb link above, it shows the arch extending upwards violating gravity rules as gravity should be pulled down and not up? Why would the rings be arched up above the black hole? Isn't this gravity affects, and why would the rings go up in trajectory?
 
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...the shape/structure of some black holes with the ring of the black hole arched upward above the accretion disk....
You see a flat disk that is not perpendicular to our line of sight. The disk would appear to have an elliptical or "arched" shape. Then the "disk" is not a solid disk but might have verifying density. The arc is in fact a brighter part of the disk.

Also EVERYTHING you can see is OUTSIDE of the black hole
 
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You see a flat disk that is not perpendicular to our line of sight. The disk would appear to have an elliptical or "arched" shape. Then the "disk" is not a solid disk but might have verifying density. The arc is in fact a brighter part of the disk.

Also EVERYTHING you can see is OUTSIDE of the black hole
Okay, but wouldn't everything outside the black hole still follow the laws of gravity? Obviously photons are given off to show the ring structure is having an upward trajectory instead of a down trajectory as understood by gravity? I appreciate your point of view.
 
I don’t believe we have negative and positive electric fields. All electric fields push out. BUT as they shine out, they also move sideways.

As the electron field moves out, it moves left. As the proton field moves out, it moves right.

We have left handed and right handed polarities, not plus and minus polarities.

Left handed and right handed energy. But it’s all positive energy…...and….. positive mass and matter.

This is fundamental handedness…..a right handed field has a N mag pole leading it. And a left handed field has a S M pole leading it. All handedness comes from this. It’s a simple concept. And ignored by all. Think of it in this manner, all E fields shine on you. The M field with it is perpendicular to you. If the E field is Left, the M field will have a direction. If the E field is right, that M field will reverse that directions. It’s that simple. And this is what gives matter a “fit”. And a NOT “fit”. A digital property, fit, not fit. Also a superposition property. Superposition, NOT superposition.

All charge particles also have a magnetic charge. But unlike e, which is the electric charge and constant, the M charge is variable. The amount of M charge is the…...mass of the particle. The inertia of the charge particle. Mass is a property, not an amount. Matter has the amount and that is e, a constant amount. Matter is constant, inertia is variable. Inertia is an acceleration of a constant amount.

Electrical polarity is handedness. And a M field is always present with a E field.

Structure can ratio these bi-fields. Some structures can align the electric and dissociate the M. Some can align the M and dissociate the electric. Some can add the E and the M in phase(parallel) and some can align them out of phase, anti-parallel.

Structure determines the “fit” or pairing of the E and the M fields.

Structure is the missing entity for our matter models. And the acceleration from that structure gives all our physical properties we study.

And e is that self accelerating, self powered structure. e is the only substance there is. Only the field of e is variable, not the substance. The density, the energy, of the field is varied with e structure. Not e amount.

A charge particle is a dumb device, it only reacts and uses NO information. And it’s the only physical entity there is. All matter comes from this dumbness. Matter is dumb. Dead. No purpose no info. It just is.

Life is super nature. Not matter nature. Matter is just a dumb husk for life. Life is more than just the husk of it. It’s more than zero sum. A sum that can’t be measured. Super nature.

Life has choice, the matter in this cosmos doesn’t. And it is confusing the devil out of us.