Phoenix Mars Lander Extended Mission. Sol 90+ & R.I.P Sol 157.

baulten · Sep 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Clouds from Sol 95 into an image animation.Also click on image below.  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV>That's awesome, a video of clouds on another world!  I love it!

3488 · Sep 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's awesome, a video of clouds on another world!  I love it! Posted by baulten</DIV>Hi baulten,I love it too & you can say that you saw it here first. In fact, there is not really anything about this mission I don't like. That animation has only appeared in the last few minutes. The below does not really compare, but is still noteworthy. Sol 95 Stone Soup trench 18 CM deep. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/14/6d3ae707-4958-4051-8efd-925c4274c89f.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Holy Cow Sol 96 at 18:35 HRS LMST.Under very different illumination this time, late afternoon. Dous the uncovered ice look as though it has sublimed one hell of a lot, leaving quite a hole under Phoenix??? It does to me. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/0/98631585-f86a-4b20-9036-467e8ee9630e.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Sep 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Clouds from Sol 95 into an image animation.Also click on image below.  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV>That is just one of the most impressive things i ever saw...Just clouds.. but ones never seen beforeOne day we might see them in colorwould be strange with the orange sky..btw Would these clouds be white ? or pinkish ?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Sep 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Clouds from Sol 95 into an image animation.Also click on image below.  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> That's just amazing.  I know it sounds weird but, I could watch those ten frames of moving clouds for a very, very long time...  Just think, one day we'll actually be able to have a human being looking up at the sky in much the same way and watching the clouds move across the panorama of an alien world.  It's really a breathtaking thought... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

3488 · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That is just one of the most impressive things i ever saw...Just clouds.. but ones never seen beforeOne day we might see them in colorwould be strange with the orange sky..btw Would these clouds be white ? or pinkish ?  Posted by efron_24</DIV>Very, very true Chris.As for colour, its a guess, an educated guess, but a guess none the less, I think they're white. If there is any dust particles mixed in, then could be all sorts from light orange to pink, but seeing as the article clearly states that they are H2O ice crystals, then they will be white, as you correctly say against an orange sky. It is a shame it's not in colour, because the time to change filters would result in blurring & very jarring animation, but that is one amazing movie none the less, I'm not complaining.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> That's just amazing.  I know it sounds weird but, I could watch those ten frames of moving clouds for a very, very long time...  Just think, one day we'll actually be able to have a human being looking up at the sky in much the same way and watching the clouds move across the panorama of an alien world.  It's really a breathtaking thought... Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>Hi A_L-P. I think you are one of my biggest fans!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />Yes I agree completely, it is a really bizzare & amazing thought, that one day humans will be witnessing just this sort of thing. Also further south, for example the Mars Pathfinder or MER B Opportunity sites, it may be possible to see Phobos retrograding with clouds scudding in front in an orange sky!! Wait a minute, I think I've just thought of something here, for the MERs to attempt!!!!!!!Hi All,Some very early morning mug shots on Sol 97. Interesting to see Holy Cow with the Sun very low in a NE direction.Sol 97 Holy Cow at 02:09 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/10/af671b6a-5449-478b-aab3-6dffc3dbc40e.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Sol 97 Holy Cow at 03:56 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/4/5e622e6c-bf36-480d-94f8-752336cb394d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=26285&cID=268 Sol 97 Alt -16.74 deg, Azm 126.05 deg at 01:06 LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/12/acd9babd-cd37-4170-bc2b-b763aaed351b.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Looks like frost has formed again.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

cello · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Clouds from Sol 95 into an image animation.Also click on image below.  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV>What is time scale for animation?Waht is (might be) distance (altitude) to the clouds?

3488 · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What is time scale for animation?Waht is (might be) distance (altitude) to the clouds? Posted by cello</DIV>Hi Cello,It was a ten minute duration from 14:52 Hrs to 15:02 LMST on Sol 95.Altitude approx 8,000 metres / 26,240 feet.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Sep 2, 2008

Wouldn't it be an idea for the next Mars-Robot that lands to have a HD full color video camera this is not only good for filming cloudsthe moving sun and moonsand dust devilsbut also with sound it would make the picture of Mars complete.Imagine a rover filming Mars Making a movie for our cinema's   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Wouldn't it be an idea for the next Mars-Robot that lands to have a HD full color video camera this is not only good for filming cloudsthe moving sun and moonsand dust devilsbut also with sound it would make the picture of Mars complete.Imagine a rover filming Mars Making a movie for our cinema's   Posted by efron_24</DIV>Hi Chris,It's very good to see that you are well enough to be joining in on a regular basis again, your ideas & contributions are very good indeed.I may include weather observations in the Astronomy from Mars thread, instead of starting a new one (may be accused of spamming).The Mars Science Laboratory will be capable of what your post above suggests. The MERs too have been successful in capturing astronomical phenomena (Phobos & Deimos eclipses, etc) & weather observations, as did the Mars Pathfinder (Mars Pathfinder carried out superb pre dawn twilight & cloud observations). Hi everyone,Some new stuff.Sun at 22:55 HRS LMST Azm 346 degrees Sol 96. <a href="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Forums/#" title="Click to view a larger photo" onclick="return gSiteLife.LoadForumPage('ForumImage', 'plckPhotoId', 'bd6932d6-5a6b-4ef6-8023-720966196da2', 'plckRedirectUrl', gSiteLife.EscapeValue(window.location.href));"><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/0/bd6932d6-5a6b-4ef6-8023-720966196da2.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></a>Sol 97 Alt -16.74 deg, Azm 126.05 deg at 02:55 LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/7/890b8bc3-3b61-492e-a79e-13f132a6fe93.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Sol 97 Alt -16.74 deg, Azm 126.05 deg at 03:02 LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/6/8560033e-bede-409e-8664-78cdb3936def.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Forums/#Andrew Brown.http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=26274&cID=265 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Sep 2, 2008

I was asked to put a question from the older discussion topic to this oneWhen would we see a complete white landscape, as in a kind of Martian "Christmas Card" As soon as the sun sets for 24 hours a day .. or sooner.. Do we expect Phoenix to survive that long.. because it would be very special.... a snowwhite landscape with the incidental red rock pointing out and the orange pink sky above with some clouds.That would be a photo that will stun the world I think.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

exoscientist · Sep 2, 2008

With the ever increasing depth of the water ice frost deposits, does Phoenix have the capability to scrape just near the top of the soil to collect mosly ice with the robot arm?   Bob Clark   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

centsworth_II · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>  With the ever increasing depth of the water ice frost deposits, does Phoenix have the capability to scrape just near the top of the soil to collect mosly ice with the robot arm?   Bob Clark  Posted by exoscientist</DIV> Collecting a water sample by sampling frost is an interesting concept, but I don't think that would yield near enough ice for analysis.  Also, frost ice would be pure water.  good for determining hydrogen and oxygen isotope ratios, if you could get enough, but with no chance of looking for organics.We need to get a sample of sub-surface ice into TEGA to check for isotope ratios and organics. Inorganics too.If it were possible to analyse frost ice for isotope ratios it might be interesting/usefull to compare that data with that from sub-surface ice.  but I seriously doubt that Phoenix could ever get a large enough sample of frost to do that.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · Sep 2, 2008

with the frost, won't the soil become to hard to dig in ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

centsworth_II · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>with the frost, won't the soil become to hard to dig in ? Posted by efron_24</DIV> Phoenix will cease to function long before a layer too hard to dig through forms on the surface. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Sep 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>with the frost, won't the soil become to hard to dig in ? Posted by efron_24</DIV>Hi Chris,Maybe not too hard to start with. It depends how the frost binds the regolith. Later on, it will get harder as frost persists throughout the sol & accumulates. We are not that far yet.Also CO2 frosts have not commenced as yet. AFAIK that is something that does not happen on Earth, not even in Antarctica or Greenland in Winter, our coldest spots.If Phoenix is still operational when CO2 frosts commence, than this will be something very new. Hi all,Just in, a very familiar scene, but very rarely seen during the early afternoon as usually they are imaged a few hours either side of Midnight for frost monitoring. As well as that pair of rocks are different shapes, there are many smaller stones as well as bare regolith, all within one frame, all with differing thermal properties & also offer varying illumination dependent on the time of Sol.Sol 97 Alt -16.74 deg, Azm 126.05 deg at 14:00 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/11/3ccc0cdb-fa36-4e4c-ab95-53557da5d86f.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Just looked back at Sol 96 as often a few late images are transmitted with the early ones from the following Sol. Sol 96 Holy Cow @ 16:20 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/10/5e54f023-6dd9-47f9-aae2-4f8c933dfd09.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Sol 96 Holy Cow @ 22:30 HRS LMST <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/3/f809547f-544d-48e9-93d7-6f5399e54c30.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> The whole of Holy Cow is in the shade at this time.Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Sep 2, 2008

Thought I'd just throw this newcomer in quickly.Another view of a familiar scene but at an unusual time.Sol 97 Alt - 16.73 deg Azm 126.05 deg @ 19:27 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/5/65c81c38-449b-41f6-b5f4-8ed72aab33d3.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Wonder if the search of frost is being extended to include most daylight hours now? The shadow of Phoenix gives this very familiar view a strange new twist.Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

phaze · Sep 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Wouldn't it be an idea for the next Mars-Robot that lands to have a HD full color video camera this is not only good for filming cloudsthe moving sun and moonsand dust devilsbut also with sound it would make the picture of Mars complete.Imagine a rover filming Mars Making a movie for our cinema's   Posted by efron_24</DIV> I believe the problem isn't the camera technology - it's the capacity of data transmission network back to Earth.  In other words, right now they could have superduper cameras on Phoenix, but there would be no efficient way to get the video.I know I've seen specific details floating around these forums.

3488 · Sep 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I believe the problem isn't the camera technology - it's the capacity of data transmission network back to Earth.  In other words, right now they could have superduper cameras on Phoenix, but there would be no efficient way to get the video.I know I've seen specific details floating around these forums.    Posted by phaze</DIV>Hi Phaze,You are absolutely bang on there. Phoenis DOES have the camera suite to deliver IMAX quality video & the processor is also quick enough to enable high speed RGB frame shooting, but it is the bandwidth requirements to send that video back, it would be humongous. Look how many communication passes it took to get the Mission Success Panorama down, IIRC approx 150. The magnificent Mission Success Panorama is not the best the SSI (Stereo Surface Imager) is capable of, yet that is large, full of tremendous depth, detail & rich in colour & tones & of a quality to give you the sense that you yourself is actually there in person with Phoenix, yet it is still not the best Phoenix is actually capable of.It is bandwidth unfortunately that is the bane. Phoenix has commenced on a panorama that does utilise the full capabilities of the SSI, but there is not guarantee that it will ever be completed, due to other vital commitments like TEGA, MECA, Instructions for the Robotic Arm, as well as Robitic Arm imagery, Weather (some using SSI, observing clouds & hazes), Frost & dust monitoring & 'night' imagery (also using SSI). These also use bandwidth. Phoenix has no direct to Earth transmission, only a UHF uplink to MRO, Odyssey or Mars Express, which in turn relay Phoenix data to Earth through their X Band transmissions.If Phoenix did have Direct to Earth Transmission capability as did Mars Pathfinder & the MERs, then perhaps much more could be beamed back, but then the Deep Space Network may have problems coping with other commitments like MERs, Cassini, MESSENGER, etc.Bandwidth & communication time are a real pain in the arse, to be totally honest.Hi all,Phoenix frost monitoring is continuing.Below, Sol 98, very familiar scene, early morning.Alt -16.73 deg, Azm 126.05 deg. Sol 98 @ 04:26 LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/5/4759660c-c4e7-4328-b544-4fd952a79e32.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Sep 3, 2008

Frost & more frost in the morning of Sol 98.Frost on Wind Teller Mirror Sol 98 @ 04:16 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/7/2a218fab-99d6-4f56-871c-6be4e8a6ab5a.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Frost covered regolith RAC on Sol 98 @ 03:21 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/7/8cdc23ab-5917-4a45-b71a-1d24216060c7.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Clouds too.Sol 98 @  13:55 HRS LMST & also @ 13:59 HRS LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/2/64ee7a17-fe9c-42cd-8209-4718ba2e3d55.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/7/528cbb47-f55e-4dd2-875a-29a9466df913.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Sep 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Delete - double post for some reason Posted by bobble_bob</DIV> BTW, you should have a "delete this post" icon in your post in the thread.Emily said today that on one TellTale image the weight was completely out of the frame!In Chicago, they call that "The Hawk"

<div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

JonClarke · Sep 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If Phoenix did have Direct to Earth Transmission capability as dis Mars Pathfinder & the MERs, then perhaps much more could be beamed back, but then the Deep Space Network may have problems coping with other commitments like MERs, Cassini, MESSENGER, etc.Posted by 3488</DIV>Hi AndrewThe MERS also make extensive use of relay by satellite.  MRO, MO, ME, all have much more power and larger antennae than the MERs.  So more data can be transmitted by relay and faster than directly.Having a direct transmission is really a back up these days,Phoenix gambled that there would be enough satellites to do the relay work. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

efron_24 · Sep 4, 2008

ok... ok.. no videobut why no photo's of the Clouds in the sky in color..That should be possible ! (or) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

l3p3r · Sep 4, 2008

How much of the day is phoenix spending in darkness now ? Will be a shame to see the end of such a fantastic mission.  And Andrew, that cloud animation really is excellent! thanks! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

centsworth_II · Sep 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How much of the day is phoenix spending in darkness now? Posted by l3p3r</DIV> According to Emily Lakdawalla's latest Ustream report, the sun is dipping below the horizon (and behind a hill) for about a hour a night.  (Note: It takes the video 15 seconds to start after you link to it.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Sep 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>ok... ok.. no videobut why no photo's of the Clouds in the sky in color..That should be possible ! (or) Posted by efron_24</DIV>It is probably possible, but if the clouds are fast moving the pictures would look bad.  Almost eveeything we an learn from cloud pictures can be learned from B&W images.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

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