Phoenix surface mission

3488 · Aug 21, 2008

Sample delivery to oven 7. Sol 85. Wonder if it was successful? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/9/d7abcb15-c27c-4e16-b9be-16ec92db1706.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Aug 22, 2008

Sample delivery to Oven 7 was successful first time around.Oven 7 with some sample on the mesh. Sol 85. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/11/8d48bd5e-486f-48e2-bb4a-7ba70a6c6e48.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Search for frost continues.Alt -16.73 deg. Azm 126.05 deg at 01:31 HRS LMST on Sol 86. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/2/0bc7384c-21dc-453a-b253-bf340c8c21ce.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Alt -16.73 deg. Azm 126.05 deg at 03:49 HRS LMST on Sol 86. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/10/1d483c05-8f28-49a0-8a2a-bc992e3c7dff.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

baulten · Aug 22, 2008

Will we see the atmospheric pressure increase as CO2 starts condensing out further north due to the air rushing up from the south pole, or will we see it decrease as more and more CO2 leaves the air?

bobble_bob · Aug 22, 2008

Seems its a few weeks since the "ice worm" video was shown on here. Have Nasa responded to the findings yet? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Aug 22, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Seems its a few weeks since the "ice worm" video was shown on here. Have Nasa responded to the findings yet? Posted by bobble_bob</DIV>Hi bobble_bob, there has been nothing. I still think it's an imaging artifact & NASA certainly thinks that there is nothing to report on this. Weather Summary. Sol 80 to Sol 85. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/1/9b752564-b338-472e-a164-139aa5f77f59.Medium.gif" alt="" />  Weather Report for Sol 85. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/2/74df541b-dec4-48aa-b278-a460b5057ed4.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Aug 22, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Will we see the atmospheric pressure increase as CO2 starts condensing out further north due to the air rushing up from the south pole, or will we see it decrease as more and more CO2 leaves the air? Posted by baulten</DIV>Hi baulten, I have found an article relating to the: Viking Landers & Mars Pathfinder atmospheric pressure results. It clearly shows that the annual pressure pattern is related to the Winter / Summer cycle of the Martian Antarctic ice cap.  Viking Landers recorded the atmospheric pressure levelling off at the low level (approx 7.6 MB) in the late Northern Summer (roughly where Phoenix is now at during the Martian year), so it appears that my theory is correct. Then in the Northern Autumn, the pressure starts to rise, until late northern Winter / early Spring, when they level off again at the high level, on occassion as high as 10 MB, before starting to drop again.Hi all,This Just In!!!! Phoenix is still observing frost formation.Alt -16.74 Deg, Azm 126.05 Deg, Sol 87 at 03:58 LMST. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/14/e51b0812-588a-4e8e-ae70-021f14f83b25.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

JonClarke · Aug 22, 2008

My guess is 6 months after landing. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

nimbus · Aug 23, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My guess is 6 months after landing. Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>Results for? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Aug 23, 2008

Results for? Posted by nimbus[/QUOTE]I wonder too.Due to a half degree tilt to the south of the terrain that Phoenix is on, the first sunset is not until another 7 Sols. If the ground was level to the Martian Aeroid, then today would have marked Phoenix's first sunset, as it is we have to wait another 7 sols & on Saturday 30th August 2008, the sun will finally set, despite the tilt of the land. Assuming level ground, the Sun would have set today at: Set:16:22 HRS UTC. Midnight: 16:28 UTC. Rise: 16:34 HRS UTC.Now it will be: Saturday 30th August 2008: Sunset: 20:57 HRS UTC. Midnight: 21:03 HRS UTC. Sunrise: 21:09 UTC. This is with the southerly tilt factored in.Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Aug 23, 2008

A rather nice Sol 87 Horizon Panorama.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/7/e9b85448-c114-42d7-b737-b5dcaedb73be.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Aug 24, 2008

Only 2 Sols left of the original 90 Sol Primary Mission, before being extended upto & including Sol 124. Lets hope that does NOT mark the end of the mission.Sol 88 Scoop over MECA. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/6/cae0bd25-1cd2-4a24-b6d5-9da399b9faae.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Looks like more frames for the monster pan. Sol 88. Azm 127.22 degrees. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/3/bea4bf54-9b8f-4963-b30a-64afad668465.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Below showing the mark left by the impacting heat shield. Just below the horizon half way across. Sol 88. Sol 88. Azm 116.87 degrees. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/2/035c9a51-624e-4d26-822d-c5cdeeeefc29.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

centsworth_II · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Only 2 Sols left of the original 90 Sol Primary Mission, before being extended upto & including Sol 124. Lets hope that does NOT mark the end of the mission. Posted by 3488</DIV> Of course the mission is going to last until all contact is lost with phoenix.  No doubt about that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Of course the mission is going to last until all contact is lost with phoenix.  No doubt about that. Posted by centsworth_II</DIV>Thank you very much centsworth_II.I really hope so, really do & that common sense will prevail come post Sol 124. If it looks as if that is not to be the case i.e NASA decides to abandon Phoenix, whilst still operational & gathering data (i.e Cameras & Weather Station) then I will start a petition on this side of the Atlantic & hopefully through Space.com, UMSF, The Spaceport, etc get the petition to be forwarded to Members of Congress on your side of the Atlantic in an attempt to have the decision overturned. I may need some assistance, in getting a handle on what NASA is intending for Phoenix post Sol 124. I am not American, so I may need some help to 'pull a few chains'. I am quite prepared to engage in another campaign to get the most out of Phoenix as is humanly possible & it would be wonderful, if she is still sending back images & weather data after the Autumn Equinox on Boxing Day.I just hope that common sense will prevail. Already a worthy extention for 34 Sols yet for so little money, we have an extra five weeks of data return from the Martian High Arctic, a further extention will cost peanuts literally. Obviously if Phoenix is knackered by then, that's different, but so far, I do not think that will be the case. Long Live Phoenix.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/13/343d1e67-8897-481a-bdf1-8467450fa1ae.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

neuvik · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>... If it looks as if that is not to be the case i.e NASA decides to abandon Phoenix, whilst still operational & gatering data (i.e Camera & Weather Station) then I will start a petition on this side of the Atlantic & hopefully through Space.com, UMSF, The Spaceport, etc get the petition to be forwarded to Members of Congress on your side of the Atlantic in an attempt to have the decision overturned. I may need some assistance, in getting a handle on what NASA is intending for Phoenix post Sol 124. Posted by 3488</DIV> What the duece!? Why would they just let a functional lander just sit idle?  I know it TEGA and MECA stations have been used, but the camera and the weather station should be kept operational.   If not even for the sole purpose of training student astronomers and cosmologists at the University of Arizona.   Are the costs of operation really that high, or is this just a political thing?The data that weather station collects may seem like just mundane information, but it is really fundamental.  In the Maritime industry ships report back their weather to organizations like NOAA so it can be properly analyzed.  This is how a majority of weather predictions are made, along with the assistance of unmaned objects ofcoruse.   But there is never an unwanted packet of weather information, it is always needed and used. I'll wager a few hundred years when we are actually on mars, some young doctoral student is going to get his PhD forming a table of the average temperature on each geographic location on mars.  Somewhere in the bowls of his research, is going to be a nice group of pages with weather info from a long forgotten piece of equipment known as the Mars Phoenix Polar Lander. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck </div>

MeteorWayne · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> What the duece!? Why would they just let a functional lander just sit idle?  I know it TEGA and MECA stations have been used, but the camera and the weather station should be kept operational.   If not even for the sole purpose of training student astronomers and cosmologists at the University of Arizona.   Are the costs of operation really that high, or is this just a political thing?The data that weather station collects may seem like just mundane information, but it is really fundamental.  In the Maritime industry ships report back their weather to organizations like NOAA so it can be properly analyzed.  This is how a majority of weather predictions are made, along with the assistance of unmaned objects ofcoruse.   But there is never an unwanted packet of weather information, it is always needed and used. I'll wager a few hundred years when we are actually on mars, some young doctoral student is going to get his PhD forming a table of the average temperature on each geographic location on mars.  Somewhere in the bowls of his research, is going to be a nice group of pages with weather info from a long forgotten piece of equipment known as the Mars Phoenix Polar Lander. Posted by neuvik</DIV> Personally I think this is a tempest in a teapot. I'm sure as long as it is operational, they will continue to extract as much data as they have energy for. How much longer would it possible last beyond the extended mission anyway? Not too long. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

centsworth_II · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...I just hope that common sense will prevail. Already a worthy extention for 34 Sols yet for so little money... Posted by 3488</DIV> The length of the extension is due to a technicality:  the coming end of the fiscal year.  A new extension needs to be done in the new year.  No rush declaring that extension though.  Everyone knows that Phoenix will operate as long as it can.  The only question is how long they will try to contact it after we no longer hear from it and what efforts, if any, will be made to re-contact it in the spring.   Worry about cutting off contact with an operational Phoenix borders on the irrational. (Sorry. Little bit of tough love there.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

neuvik · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Personally I think this is a tempest in a teapot. I'm sure as long as it is operational, they will continue to extract as much data as they have energy for. How much longer would it possible last beyond the extended mission anyway? Not too long. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Well I rather seems a bit brash at the idea of abandoning something like the Phoenix lander than just replying optimistically that they will probably let it run as long as possible. That way any NASA policy makers who are reading about know there is at least one person they will totally get an email from if they wan't to cut down on spending. Hehe   Out of curiosity do they have an ammount of sols after the mission where the believe the temperatures will be way to low leading to the icing up of the main components? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck </div>

3488 · Aug 24, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well I rather seems a bit brash at the idea of abandoning something like the Phoenix lander than just replying optimistically that they will probably let it run as long as possible. That way any NASA policy makers who are reading about know there is at least one person they will totally get an email from if they wan't to cut down on spending. Hehe   Out of curiosity do they have an ammount of sols after the mission where the believe the temperatures will be way to low leading to the icing up of the main components? Posted by neuvik</DIV>You raise some great questions neuvik. I do not know the actual answers, but what I can do is provide some into for the Sol 124 - Sol 125 period, marking the end of the extrended mission. Now we have a fascinating 34 minimum extended mission to look forward to. Mars in the seasonal cycle is now similar to the end of July on Earth. The 34 Sol extended mission will take Phoenix past the Summer Cross Quarter Day / Sol (Midway between the Summer Solstice & Autumn Equinox approx 3rd August on Earth) & well past the first sunsets. Any guesses as to whether or not we'll see all day frosting or even the first appearance of CO2 frosts???????? Tuesday 30th September 2008 / Sol 124 - Sol 125: Sunset 14:15 UTC. Midnight: 16:47 UTC. Sunrise: 19:17 UTC. So the Sun will set for Phoenix for 5 Hours & 2 minutes, crossing over from Sol 124 to Sol 125. What will the temperatures drop to? Will Phoenix survive? Midnight rendition on Sol 124 - Sol 125. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/11/bf4ca14b-28d4-4ecc-bb56-7058fda3260e.Medium.gif" alt="" />  Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

neuvik · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You raise some great questions neuvik. I do not know the actual answers, but what I can do is provide some into for the Sol 124 - Sol 125 period, marking the end of the extrended mission.Now we have a fascinating 34 minimum extended mission to look forward to.Mars in the seasonal cycle is now similar to the end of July on Earth. The 34 Sol extended mission will take Phoenix past the Summer Cross Quarter Day / Sol (Midway between the Summer Solstice & Autumn Equinox approx 3rd August on Earth) & well past the first sunsets.Any guesses as to whether or not we'll see all day frosting or even the first appearance of CO2 frosts????????Tuesday 30th September 2008 / Sol 124 - Sol 125:Sunset 14:15 UTC.Midnight: 16:47 UTC.Sunrise: 19:17 UTC.So the Sun will set for Phoenix for 5 Hours & 2 minutes, crossing over from Sol 124 to Sol 125. What will the temperatures drop to? Will Phoenix survive? Midnight rendition on Sol 124 - Sol 125.  Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>Thanks Andrew!  Good information on the seasonal situation for the MPL.   Approaching the equinoxs I'd say the MPLs situation it going to be fairly dire, the solar irradiance on the solar panels for the days will probably be insufficient for the nights heating.   Ofcourse I have nothing to back that up with but a hunch in my head.    As for the first all day C02 frosts, I'd say its around those sols you listed as well, but again, just a baseless guess.    I think I'll go back and get all the water data and read up on some meterology and see if I can't make some predictions.   but really all I can do is make guesses, or look at the current temp, and compare it to the vapor pressure of C02 and say, "yup, well its not a gas at this point. should be snowy"    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck </div>

silylene old · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks Andrew!  Good information on the seasonal situation for the MPL.   Approaching the equinoxs I'd say the MPLs situation it going to be fairly dire, the solar irradiance on the solar panels for the days will probably be insufficient for the nights heating.   Ofcourse I have nothing to back that up with but a hunch in my head.    As for the first all day C02 frosts, I'd say its around those sols you listed as well, but again, just a baseless guess.    I think I'll go back and get all the water data and read up on some meterology and see if I can't make some predictions.   but really all I can do is make guesses, or look at the current temp, and compare it to the vapor pressure of C02 and say, "yup, well its not a gas at this point. should be snowy"    Posted by neuvik</DIV>Operation TILT When the irradiance gets lower, we can buy some additonal operational time, perhaps a month, by using the arm to lift one side of Pheonix and tilt it so that the solar panels face the sun at a much better angle.  This manuver will cause some risk, as it has never been done before.  And the three legs are not exactly in optimal position with two legs facing the sun, so the arm will need to be used first to drag/rotate the craft a bit to turn it about 30-45 degrees.   (This idea was first proposed by someone on UMSF)I think we should use the arm to drag Pheonix anyways, before all goes silent.  This would allow access to the remarkable ice patch directly under the lander. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function. </div> </div>

MarkStanaway · Aug 25, 2008

Did I miss something? I thought there was still more of those TEGA ovens available to brew some more soil samples. I know that a couple are inoperable because of door problems but I still thought that left 2 or 3 out of the 8.It would be a shame to close Phoenix down before they have all been used  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

centsworth_II · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I thought there was still more of those TEGA ovens available to brew some more soil samples. I know that a couple are inoperable because of door problems but I still thought that left 2 or 3 out of the 8.It would be a shame to close Phoenix down before they have all been used  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV> Phoenix will never be shut down.  It will die in the cold and dark, but it will not be shut down. It is still possible that all TEGA ovens can be used.  To date four have been open and all, including the one that just opened a slit, have had sample successfully loaded into them.  That leaves four more. We will not know how successful the opening of those will be until it is tried, but I think there is a good chance they will all be successfully used.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

abq_farside · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The length of the extension is due to a technicality:  the coming end of the fiscal year.  A new extension needs to be done in the new year.  No rush declaring that extension though.  Everyone knows that Phoenix will operate as long as it can.  The only question is how long they will try to contact it after we no longer hear from it and what efforts, if any, will be made to re-contact it in the spring.   Worry about cutting off contact with an operational Phoenix borders on the irrational. (Sorry. Little bit of tough love there.) Posted by centsworth_II</DIV> When does spring arrive on Mars at the Phoenix site?  What are the chances that it will still able to communicate to show the frost increasing build-up this fall?  What is the likelihood of contact next spring? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be! </div>

centsworth_II · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>When does spring arrive on Mars at the Phoenix site?  What are the chances that it will still able to communicate to show the frost increasing build-up this fall?  What is the likelihood of contact next spring? Posted by abq_farside</DIV> The likelyhood of being able to recontact Phoenix after winter is near zero, but they may try anyway.  According to this, Spring for Phoenix will start in October 2009. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Aug 25, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The likelyhood of being able to recontact Phoenix after winter is near zero, but they may try anyway.  According to this, Spring for Phoenix will start in October 2009. Posted by centsworth_II</DIV> Isn't the lander projected to be berried in ice during the winter?  If the case, I'm sure there would be significant damage and the likely hood of reestablishing contact would be zero. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

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