Science hijacked by pseudo

[extrasense]

It is obvious, that science has been perverted and hijacked. It is nothing but pseudoscience now.<br /><br />Look at NASA. It is pretending to do scientific research.<br />How many people understand nowadays, that famous "rocket science" is nothing but engineering?<br /><br />Look at social sciences. They teach Marxism as science.<br />How many people understand nowadays, that it is nothing but pile of hackery and nonsence?<br /><br />The "science" can not be trusted anymore.<br /><br />ES<br /><br />

 

[zavvy]

Science is a Religion for some people...

 

[toymaker]

"Look at social sciences"<br />Most of social sciences is really rubbish.<br />Sociobiology has more answers about human existence but it isn't politicly correct <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[extrasense]

And it is somewhat a result of science attempt to take place of religion far before it is able to..<br /><br />Money, grants are the new god that "science" worship.<br /><br />

 

[extrasense]

-Sociobiology-<br /><br />An another attempt to sell snake oil too<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[extrasense]

It really does not matter which science you destroy.<br />The way to do it is to create monopoly on the judgement about truth and importence.<br />And it is being done by the "academia" all over the science spectrum. <br />Getting grants and promoting cliques has become by far the first priority for "science".<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[bobvanx]

ES,<br /><br />I find it especially... intriguing... that you opened this thread.<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>it is being done by the "academia" all over the science spectrum.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>This is how it's always been. The "Status quo" holds the power, whether it's the Church saying the Bible teachings are equivalent to science, and so the Earth <i>cannot</i> be in orbit about the sun or Darwin's naysayers in his day, even to the last centiry's physicists who vehemently denied that quantum theory was relevant.<br /><br />All of this is a side effect of the real scientific process, by which radical ideas are thoroughly tested before they can become accepted.<br /><br />The monopoly you see is a side effect, of a very appropriate process. Not a goal.

 

[5stone10]

Says you !!!!!

 

[thermionic]

Science is a bit like democracy in that if you don't keep on top of it, it will get away from you I think. In my experience, science is as vigorous (and rigorous) as it ever has been. Human knowledge is expanding rapidly, thanks to the efforts of so many scientists and engineers. If you are having trouble distinguishing between knowledge and make-believe, it is up to you to study up. And let the pseudo-science proponents know what you think.<br /><br />If few "people understand nowadays, that famous "rocket science" is nothing but engineering", it is not the fault of NASA. Please note that NASA has both science and engineering programs, and of course programs that are both.<br /><br />Two of the most important techniques I'm teaching my children as they pass through their early years are the scientific method and the parachute landing fall. These things matter. /jd

 

[extrasense]

-- The monopoly you see is a side effect, of a very appropriate process. Not a goal. --<br /><br />It is the goal now, as pseudoscience has suffocated science and have taken its place.<br /><br /><br />

 

[extrasense]

<br />-- Two of the most important techniques ... are the scientific method and the parachute landing fall. These things matter. --<br />You must add honesty with self <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />-- In my experience, science is as vigorous (and rigorous) as it ever has been. --<br /><br />I feel some such science exists yet, but is dying out in the sea of pseudoscience.<br /><br />

 

[spacechump]

<i>I feel some such science exists yet, but is dying out in the sea of pseudoscience.</i><br /><br />Pseudoscience like blue flowers on Mars? Because its fact that you yourself smother the true sciences you so desperately attack with your junk.

 

[extrasense]

-- like blue flowers on Mars? --<br /><br />What is scientific base for rejecting my article about those blue flowers? None. What reviewers has come up with is that style not scientific enough. <br />Parasitic clique defending its privileges, nothing more.<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[nexium]

If we try too hard too purge the pseudo science, it will very difficult for new ideas to get a fair hearing and scientific progeress will be slowed. I really think being open minded is more important than most of us think Neil

 

[Maddad]

extrasense<br />I had intense debates with my sociology professor who maintained that sociology was science. I provided definitions which he accepted and then showed how sociology did not follow the scientific method, which was one of his claims. I kept the discussions to after class so that he wouldn't feel challenged in front of the other students. I think it worked; I got an A in the class.<br /><br />I'm now having a similar discussion in my nursing class. The professor there insists that nursing is based on science. Certainly part of it is, but the faculty there has only a fuzzy idea of what science really is. Their official printed position on scientific theory is that it's speculative statements about observations. I landed on that one with both feet. I told them that if they want nurses to be thought of as professionals then they were going to have to polish their understanding of what science was before others will take them seriously. It'll happen, and I'll be part of the reason that it does.

 

[spacechump]

<i>What is scientific base for rejecting my article about those blue flowers?</i><br /><br />Based on the fact that current conditons would prevent such an organism from existing. Also from the fact that weird shaped rocks...like what is lying all over the ground around your "flower" are exactly the same "color" and the fact that rocks can look strange by the examples we showed you.

 

[nexium]

All human institutions have faults, so it is counter productive to talk about pseudo science, unless you are ready to take one detail at a time. By some definitions of science, many important and useful human activities should be eliminated, as they don't fit the scientific method.<br /> Please promote your own specialties without trying to destroy freedom of speech and most everyone else's specialties by hurling generalities. Our grandchildren will be amused at many of the things we presently teach as hard science, and they will likely also have some important details wrong, just as we do. Neil

 

[extrasense]

There are some areas that progress...<br /><br />But the "quantum computer" is a hoax, an example of pseudo science at its worst.<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[mooware]

Why would the quantum computer be a hoax, and secondly, how do you know it's a hoax?<br />

 

[extrasense]

Well, as a PhD dropout <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> in theoretical physics, I know that the concept behind it is a bogus one. It is based on complete misunderstanding of the quantum mechanics. The whole thing is a way to steal grants and the rest of it.<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[extrasense]

Forget about flowers, for the moment.<br />One article that I have submitted, is about the statues. Statues do not need to eat and drink, they could have been created millions years ago, when conditions on Mars were more hospitable.<br />I submit to you, that only reason for rejecting my work is turf protection by the stinky clique of parasites, that hijacked science.<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[Saiph]

really, you're telling me the idea that you can store information in a quantum state, and retrieve it later is bunk? That certain specific reactions can change this information in a predictable repeatable fashion is unrealistic?<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />You sure? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

--- you're telling me the idea that you can store information in a quantum state, and retrieve it later is bunk? That certain specific reactions can change this information in a predictable repeatable fashion is unrealistic? Really? You sure? ---<br /><br />A lot of devices "store information in a quantum state, and retrieve it later ". <br />There is a dE*Dt />=1 quantum restriction.<br />For the state to be well defined, dE must be far less than distance to closest energy level, which means that dT should be big enough. But, you want it to happen fast, since the whole purpose is to have fast computer.<br />In other words, the idea that you will speed up computer by using low energy quantum processes is flawed from the very beginning.<br />The same thing is with "changing information in a predictable repeatable fashion" - it takes a lot of time to make it predictable and repeatable.<br />The normal devices go around this problem by using relatively large energies, so dT becomes small.<br /><br />The other suggestions of the modern alchemists, that promice you to turn Mercury into Gold / quantum ucertainty into precize calculations / are even more ridiculous <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />ES<br /><br /><br />

 

[centsworth_II]

Let me get this straight. The author of posts claiming to show blue flowers and statues (seriously) in images of Mars rocks is now complaining of pseudoscience? <br /><br />I think I'm going to be sick. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[extrasense]

You are sick now, no doubt about it <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />