Shenzhou 7 planned launch September 25th

asj2006 · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>'Taikonaut' has to be the coolest name ever.Posted by l3p3r</DIV>I just like saying 'Taikos", sounds kinda cool (as opposed to "Taikongs", which is chintzy but I guess gramatically correct)...taiko sounds like some Japanese warlord ("The Shogun and the Taiko")...heheheh.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

mopy · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7640301.stmAfter a very busy and successful three days.First three-man Shenzhou flightFirst Chinese EVA (two man)First use of Chinese EVA suitFirst use of the subsatelliteI hope they get a nice holiday somewhere, these guys have earned it.Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV> Two man EVA? Yeah, I see where you're going and technically you're right. The second taiko was in full EVA dress and was exposed to the vacuum of space. The purists will say that he never really went out of the capsule though. But he did partially go out. Maybe a 1 1/2 man EVA...?

mopy · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Great pics, whether black or white, the pics showing the space craft farther away are pretty interesting, more so in fact to me than the space walk itself. They should have launched the minisatellite at the same time as the spacewalk so we could see pics of the space walk as the minsatellite curved outwards, although it would be kinda funny if the thing bumped into the taiko ;-) Posted by asj2006</DIV> Yeah, it would've been nice to see the taiko from a distance. But it was a safety factor they didn't do it, I  suspect. Also the mini satellite was sent on a higher orbit. And looking at the photos of the EVA I think the taiko was 'under' the spacecraft. So even if they did try to take a picture when he was out they probably wouldn't have seen him...

3488 · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Two man EVA? Yeah, I see where you're going and technically you're right. The second taiko was in full EVA dress and was exposed to the vacuum of space. The purists will say that he never really went out of the capsule though. But he did partially go out. Maybe a 1 1/2 man EVA...?  Posted by mopy</DIV>Hi mopy, Welcome to SDC. Great first posts.Yes I would say it was a two man EVA. As you correctly say, the second taikonaut was in full spacedress & was fully exposed to space, so IMO, that counts as an EVA, even though he did not actually come right out, but really he did, as was outside of the airlock.I  like this shot just post capsule separation. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/11/7681c60a-6642-49cb-bb2f-b4ce83a8cca9.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

Swampcat · Sep 28, 2008

I have to give China a lot of credit for their openness and thank them for all the photos and video.Video of Taikonauts exiting re-entry vehicle. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

JonClarke · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Jon, why not? Use your eyes  A close inspection of individual pixels will show that all colors are within a very small percentage of having equal RGB components. This is characteristic of a colorized image. Posted by Swampcat</DIV>It is also a characteristic of saturated sensors, which would sit in with the "over exposed" appearance of the image.  IJon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

quarter · Sep 28, 2008

Is it the shadow of the mini sat itself? Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Interesting black square on the right image below.    Posted by Swampcat</DIV>

MeteorWayne · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is it the shadow of the mini sat itself? Posted by quarter</DIV> Not likely. Seems more like bad data. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

JonClarke · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Two man EVA? Yeah, I see where you're going and technically you're right. The second taiko was in full EVA dress and was exposed to the vacuum of space. The purists will say that he never really went out of the capsule though. But he did partially go out. Maybe a 1 1/2 man EVA...?  Posted by mopy</DIV>It becomes a question of semantics, of course.  To be strictly accurate Zhai Zhigang fully exgressed the spacecraft while Liu Boming did a stand-up EVA. Historical counterparts are the Apollo 9 (David Scott -stand-up - and Rusty Schweickart - full), Apollo 15 (Jim irwin - stand-up Al Worden - full), Apollo 16 (Charlie Duke - stand-up - Ken Mattingly - full), Apollo 17 (Jack Schmitt - stand-up - Ron Evans - full), Soyuz 26/Salyut 6 PE-1 (Yuri Romanenko - stand-up - and Georgi Grechko - full), and Soyuz 29/Salyut 6 PE-2) (Aleksandr Ivanchenkov - full - Vladimir Kovalyonok -stand-up).  These are all typically listed as two person EVAs so it therefore would be logical to call the Sz-7 EVA two-person as well.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

asj2006 · Sep 28, 2008

No english, but you can at least see the mini-satellite in close-up, as well as animation...i think it's in that red square box? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufIo85U3ig   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

asj2006 · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is it the shadow of the mini sat itself? Posted by quarter</DIV>From that youtube video i posted it looks like the satellite is a square box, so..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufIo85U3ig <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

MarkStanaway · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It becomes a question of semantics, of course.  To be strictly accurate Zhai Zhigang fully exgressed the spacecraft while Liu Boming did a stand-up EVA. Historical counterparts are the Apollo 9 (David Scott -stand-up - and Rusty Schweickart - full), Apollo 15 (Jim irwin - stand-up Al Worden - full), Apollo 16 (Charlie Duke - stand-up - Ken Mattingly - full), Apollo 17 (Jack Schmitt - stand-up - Ron Evans - full), Soyuz 26/Salyut 6 PE-1 (Yuri Romanenko - stand-up - and Georgi Grechko - full), and Soyuz 29/Salyut 6 PE-2) (Aleksandr Ivanchenkov - full - Vladimir Kovalyonok -stand-up).  These are all typically listed as two person EVAs so it therefore would be logical to call the Sz-7 EVA two-person as well.Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>Hi JonDon't forget David Scott's SEVA from the top hatch of the Apollo 15 LM when he did that wonderful geological description of the Hadley Appenine site. Sorry to be picky btw I see the BBC reports are referring to the Chinese 'celestial travellers ' as 'yuhongyuan'. Mark  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Sep 28, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi JonDon't forget David Scott's SEVA from the top hatch of the Apollo 15 LM when he did that wonderful geological description of the Hadley Appenine site. Sorry to be picky btw I see the BBC reports are referring to the Chinese 'celestial travellers ' as 'yuhongyuan'. Mark  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV>Hi Markyes indeed!  I started putting down all the solitary stand up EVAs but there were so many I got lazy.  To be precise:Gemini 10 - Mike CollinsGemini 11 - Dick GordonGemini 12 - Buzz Aldrin (twice)Apollo 15  - Dave ScottSkylab 2 - Paul Weitzall were counted towards the individual's EVA total.Jon   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

asj2006 · Sep 29, 2008

A bit more on the mini-satellite...also in Chinese... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pOkyDb8Scc <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

mopy · Sep 29, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No english, but you can at least see the mini-satellite in close-up, as well as animation...i think it's in that red square box? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KufIo85U3ig Posted by asj2006</DIV> Here's a pic of the mini satellite. It is square. The idea of it being a shadow on the module becomes more intriguing. It would be nice to know for certain... www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/20080927-001372d8a1370a47cfe408.jpg" alt="" />

mopy · Sep 29, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi JonDon't forget David Scott's SEVA from the top hatch of the Apollo 15 LM when he did that wonderful geological description of the Hadley Appenine site. Sorry to be picky btw I see the BBC reports are referring to the Chinese 'celestial travellers ' as 'yuhongyuan'. Mark  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV> "Yuhangyuan" is formal and classical but clumsy to say. "Taikongren" is more colloquial and means "space man". "Taikonaut" is a combination of "taiko" and the english "naut". Many Chinese call this 'Chinglish' and don't particularly care for it. Personally I don't either. It sounds weird and cheap. I've watched western commentators use it but preface it by saying it's what the Chinese call them. I get the sense that they'r reluctant to use it. But that's just me... The word lacks that certain something and doesn't stand out. "Taikongren" is far better.  Poster asj2006 likes the slang 'taiko' or 'taikos'. That's not bad. It grows on you and it does say something different. And it is youthful and modern sounding. I think it sounds a whole lot better than 'taikonaut'... Here's an excerpt from a 2003 article about the name:   But what to call China's space pioneers, in Chinese? At the moment there’s no consensus. Chen Lan is a software engineer in Shanghai and an avid Chinese space program enthusiast, who runs a respected web site, dedicated to China's space efforts. Mr Chen says China has a number of homegrown names that are variously used. CHEN LAN: Actually there are three words in Chinese for “astronaut” or “cosmonaut”: “Yuhangyuan”; “hangtianyuan”; and “taikongren”. And actually "yuhangyuan" is not official. But it’s the most common word in the media. And "taikongren" is the only word widely used not only in Mainland China but also in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. JOHN TAYLOR: "Taikongren" literally translates as space or cosmos person. Mr Chen prefers yet another word, "taikonaut", which he uses in his website address - "Go Taikonauts!" CHEN LAN: I combine this word “taikongren” with the English for "naut". Then becomes a new word "Taikonaut". This word is perfectly consistent with another two words, astronaut and cosmonaut. So, I think it may be a perfect way to present the meaning of Chinese astronaut. And this word actually has been widely accepted by Western media and also Chinese publications. JOHN TAYLOR: He says he came up with the word in 1998, around the same time as another man from Malaysia started to use the word in Internet newsgroups. CHEN LAN: “Taikonaut” looks better, sounds easier for Western peoples. JOHN TAYLOR: Mr Chen believes that as China is sending a man into space using its own rocket and spacecraft, it’s reasonable to create a new word to reflect China's independent manned space capability. CHEN LAN: Some technical publications have already used "taikonaut". I think it may be more acceptable after the Shenzhou 5 flight because many, many important Western media uses the word "taikonaut", including BBC, CNN, NBC et cetera. JOHN TAYLOR: Do you think that in a way the word "taikonaut" is your contribution to China's space program? CHEN LAN: It's not the space program; it’s just to the language. It's not a big contribution. JOHN TAYLOR: It's a debate that hasn't been settled. And besides is a Chinese astronaut really an astronaut anyway if he hasn't been in space? This is John Taylor in Beijing, for Correspondents Report.

asj2006 · Sep 29, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Actually there are three words in Chinese for “astronaut” or “cosmonaut”: “Yuhangyuan”; “hangtianyuan”; and “taikongren”. And actually "yuhangyuan" is not official. But it’s the most common word in the media. And "taikongren" is the only word widely used not only in Mainland China but also in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. JOHN TAYLOR: "Taikongren" literally translates as space or cosmos person. Mr Chen prefers yet another word, "taikonaut", which he uses in his website address - "Go Taikonauts!" CHEN LAN: I combine this word “taikongren” with the English for "naut". Then becomes a new word "Taikonaut".</DIV>Interesting, other than the fact "naut" is not an "english word"    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

centsworth_II · Sep 29, 2008

Checking on the origin of "astronaut", I found this interesting exchange of posts.  The whole page is a good read, but theses quotes from the thread are to the point:"The word may have been inspired by 'aeronaut', an older term for an air traveler first applied (in 1784) to balloonists." (Wikipedia)U.S. Space Gear (pp43): "It is thought that the term 'astronautics' was first used by Belgian science fiction author J.J. Rosny in 1926. Astronautics and astronauts had certainly been accepted into the language by 1930. These words combine the Greek words 'astron'(star) and 'nautes' (sailor); thus, an astronaut is literally a sailor among stars."...written by one of the participants in the 1959 selection process...The late Dr. Gamble remembers the term was chosen on December 1, 1958: Someone found that the term aeronaut, referring to those who ride in balloons and other lighter-than-air vehicles, was derived from “sailor in the air.” From this we arrived at astronaut, meaning “sailor among the stars.” We thought we had actually invented a new word, but it later turned up as having been used earlier, in 1929, probably in science fiction. In any event, the term astronaut rang true and was adopted. The Soviets followed suit with cosmonaut, meaning 'sailor in the universe.'"  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

asj2006 · Sep 29, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Checking on the origin of "astronaut", I found this interesting exchange of posts.  ....From this we arrived at astronaut, meaning “sailor among the stars.” We thought we had actually invented a new word, but it later turned up as having been used earlier, in 1929, probably in science fiction. In any event, the term astronaut rang true and was adopted. The Soviets followed suit with cosmonaut, meaning 'sailor in the universe.'"  Posted by centsworth_II</DIV>So the word "Taikongnaut" or "Taikonaut", which translates to "Space-sailor", does keep in line with previous terms.Gotta wonder what other "nauts" will crop up if other countries start sending people into space. What's the Indian word for "space"? Or what would the EU call its space explorers? Astronauts as well?     <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------- "Breathe. This is like most of the choices you have in life. You know inside whether it's right. Whether you do it is up to you." From the Tao of Willie Nelson </div>

mopy · Sep 30, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi mopy, Welcome to SDC. Great first posts.Yes I would say it was a two man EVA. As you correctly say, the second taikonaut was in full spacedress & was fully exposed to space, so IMO, that counts as an EVA, even though he did not actually come right out, but really he did, as was outside of the airlock.I  like this shot just post capsule separation.  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> Thanks for the welcome! Glad to be aboard! I'd rather be aboard a Shenzhou but I guess this will have to do...(*_^)

MarkStanaway · Oct 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> "Yuhangyuan" is formal and classical but clumsy to say. "Taikongren" is more colloquial and means "space man". "Taikonaut" is a combination of "taiko" and the english "naut". Many Chinese call this 'Chinglish' and don't particularly care for it. Personally I don't either. It sounds weird and cheap. I've watched western commentators use it but preface it by saying it's what the Chinese call them. I get the sense that they'r reluctant to use it. But that's just me... The word lacks that certain something and doesn't stand out. "Taikongren" is far better. Posted by mopy</DIV>Hello mopyThanks for that explanation. It clears up a lot of the confusion. I guess the accepted description will come down to popular usage.The other area of confusion in English translations of the Shenzhou missions is the numbering system. The Latin numeric and Roman numeral system are both being used. NASA used the Roman numeral system for numbering Gemini missions but these finished at Gemini XII. This gets kind of clumsy if we get to say Shenzhou XXXXII. Personally I prefer the numbering system and I am guessing this will prevail in the long term.Mark   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

mopy · Oct 6, 2008

The micro satellite launched by Shenzhou 7 has now been changed from orbiting the earth to orbiting the Shenzhou itself. So now as Shenzhou orbits the earth, the micro satellite orbits Shenzhou. Interesting...Also in one photogaph taken by the mini satellite, a square black spot on the front of the Shenzhou orbiting module has now been confirmed by the Chinese as the shadow of the mini satellite itself...http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90876/6509792.html

shuttle_guy · Oct 6, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The micro satellite launched by Shenzhou 7 has now been changed from orbiting the earth to orbiting the Shenzhou itself. So now as Shenzhou orbits the earth, the micro satellite orbits Shenzhou. Interesting...Also in one photogaph taken by the mini satellite, a square black spot on the front of the Shenzhou orbiting module has now been confirmed by the Chinese as the shadow of the mini satellite itself...http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90876/6509792.html Posted by mopy</DIV>Of course the report is not technically correct. Both items continue to orbit the earth. The mini sat can not orbit Shenshou 7. It is just that there orbits are nearly the same. Orbital mechanics make it seem as though the mini sat is orbiting the Shenzhou 7 orbital module. in addition the mini sat must have some ability to station keep with the orbital module. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

CalliArcale · Oct 6, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>So the word "Taikongnaut" or "Taikonaut", which translates to "Space-sailor", does keep in line with previous terms.Gotta wonder what other "nauts" will crop up if other countries start sending people into space. What's the Indian word for "space"? Or what would the EU call its space explorers? Astronauts as well?     Posted by asj2006</DIV>So far, they've been called both "astronauts" and "cosmonauts" depending on where they trained, and I've occasionally seen "spacionaut" which is a French construction.   There are those who feel that France should reject "foreign" words and create local substitutes.  This has had amusing results in many technical fields, where experts use English loan words and the general public use the officially-sanctioned French equivalents.  There are other countries with similar nationalistic sentiments about their mother tongues, or where it simply doesn't make sense to just take loan-words.  I would bet that Finnish and Icelandic have had to construct terms for space travellers, for instance.  I wonder what they are? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

Swampcat · Oct 6, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The micro satellite launched by Shenzhou 7 has now been changed from orbiting the earth to orbiting the Shenzhou itself. So now as Shenzhou orbits the earth, the micro satellite orbits Shenzhou. Interesting...Also in one photogaph taken by the mini satellite, a square black spot on the front of the Shenzhou orbiting module has now been confirmed by the Chinese as the shadow of the mini satellite itself...http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90876/6509792.html Posted by mopy</DIV>Thanks for clearing that up, mopy. So it wasn't a data drop, a cover up or anything mysterious. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

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