was the moon landing a hoax???

[mcs_seattle]

If the President of the US could not keep a bj secret, how could anyone think that faking the mood landings could be kept a secret!

 

[bonzelite]

as well, there were no technically feasible means to special effects that could remotely mimic multiple moon landings with footage 35 years ago. look at the best of the best films of the time and they reveal extremely primitive special effects compared to the live nasa footage of the space race from that time. <br /><br />as well, there are pieces of equipment placed upon the moon, namely mirrors, that are still used today for lunar research.

 

[yevaud]

On the same page there.<br /><br />Glaring defects in the "we didn't" thoery.<br /><br />1. It would mean hundreds of thousands of Space Industry workers have been part of a conspiracy, <i>and</i> kept their mouth's shut for over 30 years. Hardly.<br /><br />2. The Soviets watched us like hawks. How ever did we fake the landings, when if they had caught us cheating, they would have leapt all over it like Mama Bear protecting her cubs? <br /><br />(and don't ever disrespect the Soviet era technology. They went down a different path, but their higher end stuff worked, and well. We couldn't have spoofed them)<br /><br />3. We have a laser reflector placed where Apollo 11 landed:<br /><br />Nasa Blurb Here<br /><br />However did it get there, complete with footprints? With the Special Effects available to the Hollywood of 1969? Give me a break. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bonzelite]

yes. <br /><br />as well, the whole moon landing hoax proponents have one of the most stupid and unsupportable conspiracy theories out there. that is, if a conspiracy is going to be true, a moon landing hoax is <i>not in any way supportable to be remotely true. <b>none</b></i>.

 

[maxtheknife]

SVM: <font color="yellow">no one questions whether Columbus sailed....</font><br /><br />No, but they do question whether or not he already knew what he was going to find.

 

[maxtheknife]

Sorry you missed my point, SVM.

 

[ag30476]

I got your point Max: Columbus with the help of Isabella covered up the fact that Polenisians, Chinese, Africans, Canary Islanders and Vikings had already been to the Americas (of course the Native Americans had been there first but they only got the idea for the pyramids after being visited by ET's). That's why the whole "conquest" thing happened. It wasn't a conquest, it was one huge cover up.<br /><br />And that's what's happening now. The US is continuing the coverup. The US is based on coverup. NASA and the US are covering up the fact that we have been visited by ET and that Mars was populated by ET's millions of years ago.<br /><br />See the thing is I agree with the whole cover up. Do you know what would happen if we let people know ET has contacted us? Pyramids! Pyramids all over the damn place all over again. Each pyramid leading on a celestially oriented line to another pyramid. I'm sorry, that's not the America I want.

 

[heliox]

Of course it was. The truth is here:<br /><br />http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Moon_hoax<br /><br /> <br />oh and here:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations<br /><br /><br />(but i prefer the first one).

 

[apollomissions]

Y_ASK_Y - <b>"was the moon landing a hoax???</b> …hoax or not?... then y haven't they gotten farther in space? last 36 years has been a JOKE!!!!!!!!!! loook at the technology then and look how far we come ,look at the technology now, we came so far but nothing has been done…THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE AND BEYOND, AND THATS A FACT!!!!!!!!"<br /><br />am- Perhaps it has been done. Somebody may have just forgotten to tell the public.<br /><br />Y_ASK_Y R.I.P.

 

[qso1]

Its more like the public does not care enough to educate themeselves on some of the advances since.<br /><br />Shuttle, despite much criticism, the shuttle is more complex than Apollo from an engineering standpoint. Just one peice of evidence that we did in fact, advance. And just one reason I never bought into the lunar hoax claims once I examined the evidence.<br /><br />There are things that were predicted but did not come about. This only means humanity is not good at predicting. Some people formulate opinions based on misreading. This leads to opinions formulated based on a particular bias. Most articles I have ever seen about science and predicting are doing no predicting. Just educated technical projecting based on events of the time in which the article was written.<br /><br />In 1970, one might have read of our plans to send people to Mars because we were fresh from Apollo 11 and the majority of the public was not aware that the seeds of destruction of any Mars planning were just beginning to be sown.<br /><br />Today its the negatives of human spaceflight because NASA has not met schedules the way they once did and the shuttle has not proven perfect. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[paigemattews2004]

you are talking nonense man and why have you gotta doubt NASA anyway?you may go there for a visit and ask that...all the pics,video,live telecast proves it all...

 

[maxtheknife]

qso: <font color="yellow">Some people formulate opinions based on misreading. This leads to opinions formulated based on a particular bias.</font><br /><br />Open mouth, insert foot.

 

[qso1]

Care to elaborate? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[apollomissions]

<font color="yellow">Y_ASK_Y “…look at the technology now, we came so far but nothing has been done…THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE AND BEYOND, AND THATS A FACT!!!!!!!!"<br />am- Perhaps it has been done. Somebody may have just forgotten to tell the public.<br />qso- “Its more like the public does not care enough to educate themeselves on some of the advances since.</font><br /><br />qso I will, in part, agree with your statement about the public not caring enough to better inform themselves concerning advances subsequent to Apollo. However, the public’s attitude is shaped not only by events but also (to a significant degree) by military and political planners. What many in the public see is that men traveled to the moon beginning over thirty-five years ago yet no man has officially gone beyond earth orbit since 1972.<br /><br />Part of Y_ASK_Y’s statement “…THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE AND BEYOND, AND THATS A FACT!!!!!!!!" rings true to me. This is not to say my position in any way supports that Apollo was a hoax. I think the exact opposite was true. That Apollo was too successful to the point that discoveries were withheld from the public on the basis of National Security. The manned spaceflight program (beyond earth orbit) may well have continued after Apollo 17, but with classified technology and without the public’s knowledge.

 

[rfoshaug]

It would be a lot easier to go to the moon and keep it secret so nobody would know, than <i>not</i> go to the moon an make everybody believe you did.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff9900">----------------------------------</font></p><p><font color="#ff9900">My minds have many opinions</font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

When I say the public didn't care enough, it actually simply means that by and large, they had other concerns. They wanted spending on the Viet Nam war to end as well and the fallout of President Johnsons great society programs produced the naive idea that if we somehow stopped wasting money on the moon as it would be put. We could cure cancer, end poverty, etc. After Watergate, the public at large had the perception that Government could not be trusted. Ironically enough however, the same anti human space flight argument endured long after Watergate should have shown that any NASA cuts would not be directed to such noble causes as curing cancer, etc.<br /><br />I once looked at where the movie "2001, A Space Odyssey" projected our future would be by this time. Orbiting stations, a space clipper, humans on the moon and headed towards Jupiter.<br /><br />Needless to say, we haven't quite got there. But for some of that to happen, private industry would have had to been involved by the late 1970s, early 1980s. In a way, we did get some of that 2001 vision. The shuttle as the clipper...just far less efficient economically. Space station Mir and ISS as our stations in space.<br /><br />As for faking a moon landing...for a nation that couldn't reach the moon, I ask...how did we build the shuttle and fly it on a rather robust basis when one considers over 100 missions flown between 4 vehicles. Nobody else in the world has even come close. If the Apollo program had reached 100 plus missions, I'd be willing to bet there would have been at least one fatal accident.<br /><br />Seems if we didn't reach the moon, then suddenly have shuttles, spacelabs, space stations. It's not the advance portrayed in 2001, but we did advance. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Don't need to.<br /><br />Just go and re-read your own posts in that phenomenon known as the Geometry at Cydonia....

 

[CalliArcale]

Just as a reminder, there is no need to hijack a thread on the possibility of hoaxed Apollo missions to discuss your ideas about Cydonian geometry, so try to keep this thread on topic. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

You should probably lock this thread. Y is gone and the topic is being discussed in that older and longer thread.<br /><br />But thanks for keeping me in check. I sure do need it. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[CalliArcale]

True. I was leaving it mainly because they addressed two different moon hoax concepts. The one discussed in the other thread, if I'm reading it correctly, is consistent with Hoagland's -- that Apollo definitely did happen, but stuff was found that NASA has since suppressed, while Y_ASK_Y was in the camp that feels that Apollo didn't happen at all. However, you're probably right that this thread has run its course. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

Hmmmm, in the original posts I was merely asking why we can't find something so artificial looking on Mars that it is virtually beyond a shadow of a doubt. I did so by posting an image I modified, the type I'd like to see as real. Of course, this wasn't relevant to you because it didn't fit your lines on images theories.<br /><br />Even if something like what I had hypothisized showed up in Mars orbital imagery, I'd still say get 100% proof by going there.<br /><br />Is it just me, or am I wasting my fingertips posting a response to you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

You probably meant that post for me. I'll stay on topic, sorry. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

Calli:<br />that Apollo definitely did happen, but stuff was found that NASA has since suppressed,<br /><br />My response:<br />What is it that NASA has suppressed. I confess to being a bit surprised to here NASA suppression of anything coming from you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

<br /><br />zarniwoop...........come on admit it and lets move on.....the moon landings were faked!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />zarniwoop, <br /><br />Apparently, the Soviet Union knew that we went to the moon and our old communist adversary had the means to know one way or another if we went to the moon or not. <br /><br />http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/12/03/40312.html <br /><br />zarniwoop---...end of story. <br /><br />sky---Consider it the beginning if you continue to iinsist that our moon landings were faked, <br /><br />

 

[skyeagle409]

zarniwoop---Tut Tut........mmmmmm......a few well placed multi million dollar bribes...placed in the right russian hands...=cover up<br /><br />SKY---LOL!! There wasn't enough gold in Fort Knox to keep the Russians quiet after all of these years and their stated superiority over the USA to the whole world during the Cold War made that a fact.<br /><br /><br />