What are these mystery objects that US fighter jets keep shooting down?

[Admin]

What do these sky-high visitations mean, if anything, to the UFO/UAP community? Are there any lessons to be learned from these incidents?

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[onmountain]

As an engineer, I find it amazing that we are supposed to believe everything is pilot error or misunderstandings. In the case of these 3 objects shot down (after the spy balloon), there has to be some form of electromagnetic or visual recordings. When I read that it can all be a misunderstanding, that just does not "fly" with me.

The military does not waste jet fuel or $400k missiles, and potentially risk lives, to pop a toy balloon. And to do that 3 times in a row means they either 1) detected a real, present danger or threat of some kind and/or 2) they wanted physical evidence on the ground.

I just read CNN's article about how we may never find the pieces of these 3 objects! Really???? That sounds really lame to me. These were not surprise encounters, but highly coordinated , multi-day events. My hat is off to the team for tracking these smaller objects, as well as to the designers of the targeting systems. Plus to the skill level of the pilots who go close to these objects and hit them.

I can't believe that the fighters or other coordinated aircraft did not immediately follow these smoking debris as it fell down. They were very clear that the Alaska object fell on "frozen water" (why they can't just say sea ice I don't understand). The second was over the Yukon land area. The third into an interior great lake (Huron). We have fighter and weapon tracking data and even satellites that could give very specific impact points. Teams must have marked those spots and got down to them via security packages as quickly as possible. They certainly got to the offshore South Carolina spy balloon impact zone and had divers in there didn't they? That was an ocean situation, so the one over ice and the one over land must have been reached IMHO.

I really would like to see people stop making excuses about why this could not be alien technology or possibly some other unknown phenomenon to our science - until we have examined the evidence. I want to see images and videos taken by the fighters and supporting aircraft. I want to see ground radar tracks. (a random balloon is not going to loiter over bases, silos, etc). I want to see what they found on the ground and in the water. Then we can intelligently respond to the question of the origin and purpose of these objects.

If we don't see anything then I will become concerned. I see only 2 reasons if we see nothing: 1) We either do have another country with the ability to overfly us at will with unknown advanced tech. OR 2) We have evidence of off-world technology and will not disclose to the public to prevent "panic" or to horde secret tech. I do not like either of these possibilities.

It is my hope that we will be shown the real information. I am 100% for space exploration, but we need to look right here on Earth and near-Earth as well. Knowing the real picture one way or the other will help us advance forward.

 

[trailrider]

While I have no particular liking for some things the current administration does, I have to wonder if there isn't some intelligence data that we don't want disclosed so that whoever is the source for these objects, including the Chinese government, won't know how much we have discovered about the objects. There have been a number of instances in history where disclosing what we have discovered would cause the "other side" to change their designs, coding, etc. For example: During WWII, Britain had broken the Enigma code of Germany. One piece of vital information was that the Luftwaffe planned to bomb Coventry, a highly populated area. The British could have ordered Coventry evacuated, but to do so would have revealed the planned attack. Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered that Coventry not be evacuated, resulting in considerable loss of life from the attack. But the British went on "reading the other gentlemen's mail"! There are other examples, such as the Navy having broken the IJN's JN-25 codes. Who knows what else? Did the Glomar Explorer actually lose part of K-129? Or did they get it all, and for whatever reason of intel, and by agreement with the Soviets, is the report of failure false?

Fox News just reported that we actually tracked the first device from when it lifted off from China! How did we do that? Only the Shadow knows! Maybe the Chinese know, but not exactly how!

As to the possibility of extra-terrestrial sources, there may be something there, but in these four or five cases, I doubt it!

 

[mikeash]

Lots of kids having parties I guess.

 

[Dave]

There are three viable explanations. First, it very well could be something natural. For example an inventor trying out his/her latest gadget. Secondly, it could be foreign technology attempting a spy mission. The third viable explanation deals with an intelligent lifeform not from our world observing us. One thing is for certain, we will not get any answers from our military. They have a one word answer to every situation that deals with ' freedom of the press.' That word is 'classified.'

As for human spaceflight or exploration, there hasn't been any of that, for over 50 years. It is only scientists and robots that explore now.

 

[mikeash]

Yes, the disgustingly polluted skies. It is weird they don't use their guns to shoot them. 100K $ (I guess) sidewinders is out to lunch.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, I thought the guns would be better, it would come down more slowly and land softer. They could have tracked it until they had assets in the ground ready to pouch on it.

I wonder if the later ones are copycat folks having fun!

 

[Classical Motion]

I wonder if spraying the balloon object with liquid nitrogen would sink it?

 

[Frank Sterle Jr]

What do these sky-high visitations mean, if anything, to the UFO/UAP community? Are there any lessons to be learned from these incidents?

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Maybe a UFO-turned-ET is what we collectively need.

Strangely and sadly, what humankind may need to brutally endure in order to survive the very-long-term from ourselves is an even greater, non-humanoid nemesis than our own politics and perceptions of differences — especially those involving race — against which we could all unite, defend, attack and defeat, then greatly celebrate.

Perhaps a humanicidal, multi-tentacled extraterrestrial invader, like that from the 1996 blockbuster movie Independence Day. During this much-needed human allegiance, we’d be forced to work closely side-by-side together and witness just how humanly similar we are to each other.

I've been informed, however, that one or more human parties might actually attempt to forge an allegiance with the ETs to better their own chances for survival, thus indicating that our wanting human condition may be even worse than I had originally thought.

Still, maybe some five or more decades later when all traces of the nightmarish ET invasion are gone, we will inevitably revert to those same politics to which we humans seem so collectively hopelessly prone — including those of scale: the intercontinental, international, national, provincial or state, regional and municipal — and so forth we slide downwards.

 

[Dave]

Any intelligent lifeform capable of interstellar travel have probably evolved past the need of social aggression. They have already come together as one, as a species.

Unfortunately, our greatest nemesis, is ourselves. In order for us to survive in the future we must learn to come together as the human race. It is like taking care of a tree. You do not only look after its branches or its leaves, when caring for it. You must look after its roots. It is what you don't see that is most important. Human or global problems such as war, famine and climate change stymie us because no one entity is responsible for them. The root of the tree is in trouble. A global government with true power may provide a solution in our future.
The truth is we are all already one race: the human race. We are all brothers and sisters. We are all the same and we all want the same things.

It all starts with finding common ground.

 

[Unclear Engineer]

Dave, I agree that humans are, and have been, our worst enemy for a long time, now.

Unfortunately, it seems to be embedded in our nature. So, I don't think that "a global government with true power" is going to provide the solution. Because, without human nature itself changing, that government is likely to become controlled by corrupt people who use it for personal advantage or ego, at the expense of the governed. We have seen that in history, and we can see it operatiing today in several current dictatorships.

So, it isn't the centralization of power that humans need to learn, it is the need for cooperation for the benefit of others in order to best benefit ourselves. And that is not just the benefit of human "others", but the benefit of the whole ecosystem that we and everything else alive on Earth actually need to survive and thrive.

There are physical limits, and we must learn to live within them as a species. So far, we keep getting into fights over who gets a bigger share.

IF we can learn to overcome that, then it is that change that might provide for one common goverrnment to be beneficial from an efficiency standpoint. But, the way we are now, we really need multiple options for governments, to reliably avoid a whole-world dictator.

 

[Dave]

Is it possible these and other mystery objects are a warning from a more intelligent lifeform. A warning to us, to protect us from ourselves. It is best for us not to speculate. It is true we need more evidence.

Now we can really talk. For someone who calls himself unclear, you are very "clear." As humans we can simplify things or complicate them. The brave men and women who serve our country have always fought for our freedom of choice. Lets use it. We are a race who have spent more time in peace and overwhelmingly prefer it to war. We have had crisis before, and we have resolved it. For example (banning CFC's.) The fix does not have to be when we are in dire need. A centralized government, lets give it a go. What do we have to lose? Do we close our minds or free our mind. Again, it is our choice.

A global community integrating all ideologies. Run by elected officials. Electoral votes based on population. Its agenda to 'only' solve human or global issues. We have 7 billion people in this world. What do the people want as a whole? How about we take the people in this world and unite them in a global community. Individual countries govern their own territory. Expand our horizons. Why not give it a 'go.' Try something new.

Our astronauts say it best: when they go up in space they look down on our world. They see us as we truly are. There are no borders. We are one race. The human race.

 

[COLGeek]

This topic has run its course. Closing now. Thank you to all who contributed.