White holes?!?

[scull]

I choose "Abstain" for now.<br /><br />I have to look at Schwarzschild's solutions to Einstein's equations again.<br /><br /><br /><br />s--

 

[jatslo]

I chose yes; however, I think white holes are, in fact, regions of high-vacuum, whereas implosion is black and explosion is white. Therefore, I am viewing the vacuum of space-time as high and low regions that are relative to density and composition in terms of stacked charge. I believe, or I am certain, that gravity (G) requires energy to exist as either Negative Gravity ( G _n ) or Positive Gravity ( G _p ), and then, of course, I could create a ANTI-Universe as follows: Negative Negative -( G _n ) or Negative Positive Gravity -( G _p ). Did I confuse the heck out of you people?

 

[scull]

I like your Anti-Universe.....<br /><br /><br />That's what makes me want to read up on this stuff....<br /><br /><br /><br />--

 

[jatslo]

All I did is reverse the poles; ANTI is the complete opposite of what we believe to be real; it makes for good way to check your math; however, I should also note that I figured out to create these effects without the need for a ANTI-Universe. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Bring your research here, and lets talk about the FACTS.

 

[eric2006]

Wouldn't negative negative gravity be the same as positive gravity?<br /><br />I would think that negative gravity would be the anti- version of gravity unless you are saying ( G n ) & ( G p ) exist together in the same universe? <br /><br />Are there any known examples of negative gravity other than theory?

 

[scull]

All I really know about this is that what Schwarzchild had found was not one solution to Einstein's equations....<br /><br />but a pair of solutions..... (rather like the positive and negative 'roots' of a simple quadratic equation).<br /><br />The equations that describe the ultimate collapse of an object into a black hole can be reversed, and then describe the expansion of an object out of a singularity (this is sometimes referred to as a 'white hole').<br /><br /><br /><br />s--

 

[jatslo]

My interpretations are, in fact, not mainstream by any means; there are quite a lot of theories out their. With that said, my only advise on the matter is this: Utilize your problem solving skills to assemble the facts into logical order before drawing conclusions that may or may not be true. <--- Research Platform. If you can do this, and demonstratively so, then you will be held in high regard with your peers. Your SDC peers are great at pointing out flaws in logic; some are nice, and some are down right mean and nasty. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Deliberating and debating can be constructive or catastrophic: The key involves ones ability to separate business from personality. This means: Don't get take context personally and flame out. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

 

[jatslo]

Right, that sounds characteristic of white hole and black hole behavior; however, Schwarzchild and Einstein possess theories that, although valid, may or may not be completely true. In terms of vacuum, which is space devoid of anything, how does vacuum factor into white versus black, and can you create a vacuum without energy?

 

[siriusmre]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>There is ongoing research into the question of whether there is a fundamental relationship between the mass of a supermassive black hole and the mass of its surrounding galaxy.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />This relies on the probably misguided assumption that "black holes" are real, that they are anything more than just the mathematical constructs that they actually are. It also asumes that mass and gravity are the only forces active in the universe. I don't think that we can safely assume that anymore, given the wealth of observations that would falsify any other not-so-pet theory. Yes, mass and gravity CAN do what we are seeing, but are they? What else could be going on? I think that it has been crippling to further innovation in astronomy and other sciences to believe that we know all there is to know about celestial history and mechanics, and galactic formation.<br /><br />darrylgalasso: That's an interesting hypothosis. Again, I would caution that it is entirely possible that the "Big Bang" never happened and that "black holes" (never mind "supermassive" ones) are not real; that they exist ONLY in the imaginations of astronomers and the mathematical equations which describe a universe controlled by mass and gravity. Unfortunately, I don't think that those equations describe OUR universe. There are other, much more elegant and comprehensive theories than the one currently in vogue. For example, there's this one that sums up my position pretty well:<br /><br />"The novelty plasma ball demonstrates many of the properties of plasma that can be seen in the Sun, in nebulae, and in galaxies.<br /><br />"...[T]he spherical electrode in the centre of a plasma ball shows a blue filamentary streamer... Thousands of volts of electricity ionize the gas in the globe, ripping electrons from molecules and atoms. As electrons recombine with the ions, the gas gives off light. The colors depend on the kind of gas filling the glo <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Yes, that would involve your Flying Saucer? There was a patent filed this year; It appears that they are folding space-time: Patent <--- I don't think that all this hoopla is required, but it sounds as if they figured this out the hard way.

 

[eric2006]

"white holes are, in fact, regions of high-vacuum"<br /><br />Jatslo, <br /><br />Can you elaborate on this for me? I believe you were saying something likewise in another thread. I was left confused there as well. Can you please explain your model for me? I wish to understand it better. At one point I could almost grasp it but your terminology left me feeling like a kindergartener.<br />

 

[jatslo]

Read this: Patent

 

[jatslo]

Correct; I reversed the poles, and they exist together in the same universe.

 

[eric2006]

That is a pretty recent patent application. I wonder how the approval will go. I know a rabbit has been levitated in a lab using a powerful magnetic field.<br /><br />But does this involve a force of "antigravity? Or is electromagnetism being used and overpowering the weaker force?

 

[scull]

jatslo,<br /><br />These solutions are equivalent to the cosmological solutions Einstein found, which describe the Universe at large -- the discovery that the Universe must either be expanding or contracting, but cannot stay still. The expansion of the Universe out of the big bang is exactly the process described by the 'other' set of black hole equations.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />--

 

[jatslo]

That is right: The equilibrium of existence does not mean still; the equilibrium of death is still. I do not believe that the universe can close, because of time-dilation, and that is where their theories start getting wacky. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[jatslo]

I am building/designing a prototype, so I cannot tell you how; however, if they beat me to it, I will tell you how they did it.

 

[eric2006]

I think a most practical use of it would be for "artificial" gravity on a shuttle or space station.

 

[jatslo]

Space-time: X, Y, Z, and Time; this will change every aspect of the world as we know it. For instance, if you could sit down in a gravity sphere, you could, in fact, travel in time: Extend lifespan, Eliminate the need for fossil fuels, Travel to other stars, Etc.

 

[scull]

The Time Dimension I've always had trouble with.<br /><br /><br />s--

 

[jatslo]

Time is a unit of measurement; however, time dilation is real; therefore, paradox is also real. The discovery of artificial gravity will undoubtabally lead us to this final conclusion. I believe scalar and/or vector time travel is possible; however, backwards motion would require the freezing of the subject. If you travel past the point of freeze, the subject will annihilate in one point in space-time.

 

[jatslo]

I suspect that the United States government will, in fact, introduce Top Secret artificail gravity technology sometime within the Earth, Moon, Mars, and Beyond time frame.

 

[scull]

"backwards motion would require the freezing of the subject"<br /><br /><br />I don't understand....<br />

 

[eric2006]

Linear elasticity maybe? <br /><br />An extreme example of gravitational time dilation occurs near a black hole. A clock falling towards the event horizon would appear (to observers far away) to slow down to a halt as it approached the horizon. A small and sturdy enough clock could conceivably cross the horizon without suffering adverse effects at the horizon, but to far away observers it would "freeze" and be flattened out on the horizon.<br /><br />??

 

[scull]

que?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />_________________________________ (flatline) = I'm dead.<br /><br />