I'm sorry, but there is no way you can take a 50' by 50' room and have it become the size of the Grand Canyon. If you believed Star Trek, you'd have Riker on the South Rim yelling across to Data on the North Rim. Yet they can't really be more than 50' apart. It's just stupid. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
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Now, don't get me wrong, or start sending me hate mail, but didn't you know that your voice and size deminsion perception are also decreased by the holodeck? How else could you actually climb the Matterhorn Mountain or sail in a glider with K. Janeway? If you were to crash from a hundred simulated feet up with the safeties off would you actually sustain the same injuries when you were actually only 20 feet up? <br /><br />But the 28th Street Movies near where I live has a simulator with such things as these in them, and they seem real enough when you are in that inclosed place. That is what I have always envisioned the Holodeck to be anyway, just decreased in size compared to the movie house and amplified many times in abilities to perform, even with its limitations.
The holodeck might be believable if you were in it alone. But to have someone with you and then you walk away from each other to a distance greater than the size of the room, now you are just pushing the bounds of believability. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
Actually if you'll note none of the scenes with a holo deck ever really kept the people more then 50' apart. When they were supposedly more then that then there would be something that would obstruct thier view by haveing to twist and turn thru alleyways, trees etc etc. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>
Hey man.... haven't you ever heard of a Tardis - perhaps it operates on the same principle. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
I don't believe that. Probably in the very first episode where Riker meets Data, they start out very far apart, certainly bigger than the holodeck. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
Don't forget the height as well, as seen in <i>Star Trek: Generations</i>. When Warf fell in the water, he was definitely further down vertically from the rest of the crew on the deck than the holodeck is tall.
If built today...I'd agree. But this is 300 or so years into the future so it could be possible to build a deck of the size you mention and have it trick the person in it into believing they are in the grand canyon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Hey man.... haven't you ever heard of a Tardis - perhaps it operates on the same principle. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Nah, the Federation wasn't advanced enough to have transdimensional technology. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />I read a very funny fanfic (a sendup of the Stephen Ratliff fanfics, actually, for folks who know who that is) which solved a desperate situation by linking up the transporter and the holodeck -- describing both devices as "plot hole generators". The intent is to generate a plot hole big enough to drive a starship through. It was very funny.<br /><br />Quite apt, too. I think "plot hole generator" is the best description I've ever heard of the holodeck! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em> -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
Talking of Tardis I've just spent the weekend in Cardiff whilst there I had a little scout around some Torchwood locations. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#800080">"All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring" - <strong>Chuck Palahniuk</strong>.</font> </div>
Riker sees a hologram of Data not the real Data.<br />And the air around them is also a hologram. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
So what you're saying is that you have to turn your brain off when watching a holodeck episode. I'd prefer my Star Treks to be "turn your brain on" episodes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
If you can "believe" in warp drive, phasers, transporters, etc. etc. etc. why is it so hard to believe that the "technology" allows the holodeck to simulate large spaces and distances?<br /><br />I mean, which is harder to believe?<br /><br />technology allows a person who is 50 feet away to appear and sound like they are much farther <br /><br />or<br /><br />technology allows a human being to be converted into matter, "beamed" thru space and then reconverted into matter aboard a starship<br /><br />Seems to me the 1st case would me a much easier task.
The reason why the Tardis can be bigger on the inside than on the outside is because that's explained as the way it is.<br /><br />The holodeck is explained as being a combination of holograms and transporter technology, but still contained inside a fixed size room. <br /><br />The Star Trek explanation falls flat. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
ok let me try again. the holodeck can generate solid shapes. That means that if you want to move say a mile from all the other characters you will be walking on some sort of a treadmill, while around you a holographic 3d screen created by the holodeck would show you the environment changing.<br />If Data is a mile from you in holodeck space, that virtual display will show him as a speck, hiding the true Data from you.<br />What's so hard to accept. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
Let's say that you have a holodeck of Death Valley. You bring in 3000 of your closests friends and they all form a human chain holding hands.<br /><br />Explain that to me. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
That's when Moriarty appears and nefariously kills 2,998 of them.<br /><br />(Love them "Killer" Apps!) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis: </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
that will never happen because the holodeck most surely accepts a limited number of visitors at one time, and if you try to cram more than that, it will deactivate.<br />And Riker and La Forge will invite you into their dungeon program. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
There was one episode where they rescued a whole colony of settlers and created a new town for them in the holodeck.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
ok, now THAT is dumb. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
"Marybeth?"<br /><br />"Yeah, Clem?"<br /><br />"Why'm I grubbin' in the dirt for food, when we're on a Starship?"<br /><br />"Dunno, Clem. Ask the Frenchie with the uptight attitude. Cap'n Pee-card 'r summit'" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis: </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
Don't question the magic of the holodeck, just accept that it is
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<div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>Did you ever use to watch Mario's feet when you had your NES? Notice how he isn't really moving (besides his legs,) the level is moving. It's probably a similar concept.
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I'd prefer my Star Treks to be "turn your brain on" episodes. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Great. Let me know when you find any. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
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