why i think the moon landings were a hoax.

zarniwoop · Mar 8, 2008

ok i am always up for a challenge and the gauntlet has been thrown.ok first off no abuse from me so i dont expect any back this time.keep it civil ..any nitpicking and it ends.so it begins.ok so did we go to the moon?.maybe we did just maybe theres some doubt...ok i'll admit in the past i've argued that it was all a hoax ,maybe thats a bit strong....but over the years there have been many instances that have thrown doubt on some of the claims of nasa and some of the whole of the apollo moonlandings.ok i'm not going to start by going over the regular gripes of the hoaxers ie flag waving,rocks with numbers on,missing moonlanders,no stars etc etc except i'll put over a point fairly regular on some other aspect that maybe throws doubt and let you all shoot me down in flames heheh.ok todays little reason for maybe some doubt.many times the argument has been how could nasa or the govt pull the wool over so many peoples eyes ,or how could so many people stay quiet for so long without the secret coming out.ok so most of us agree theres some aircraft flying about up there at the moment called the aurora....officially this does not exist  area 51 officially does not exist...but i think most here will agree that both these are fact......so how many people have worked on the aurora many i should think how many years has this project been in develpment how many people from start to finish .....thousands i should think.but has anyone ever come up with solid proof it exists why has noone broken silence and told all leaked convincing photographs or video.if all this can be kept from the public then ....in 1969 feed the public what it wants them to see and ,feed the techs at mission control what ever data they want them to see and maybe you just could pull of the worlds greatest hoax.if your a tech at mission control being fed data whos to know if it comes from the moon or a couple of miles up the road feed him the right right info and hes not going to tumble.ok thats todays little rant....back then what you were told was took as gospel.....but maybe not all was as it seemed.     <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Smersh · Mar 8, 2008

... many times the argument has been how could nasa or the govt pull the wool over so many peoples eyes ,or how could so many people stay quiet for so long without the secret coming out ...   Posted by zarniwoop Hi zarniwoop,I'll leave it to others to comment on the rest of your post, if they wish, but the point you raised above is one of two very good basic reasons why the Apollo missions were not faked.The other reason, as Yevaud pointed out in another thread over at Uplink, is this: The Apollo missions took place at the height of the Cold War. NATO and the Warsaw Pact monitored very closely every rocket launch and spacecraft movement carried out by the opposing side. There was also great prestige attached to the space race. If the Apollo missions had been faked, the Soviets would have immediately blown the whistle.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea." Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."Website / forums </div>

3488 · Mar 8, 2008

My answer to zarniwoop:  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/3/34e2461f-da7c-40d0-83b1-757fa2766aaf.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/8/f44a15de-a069-4e96-98fb-b1af13b328e8.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/1/2e545a36-4f25-45ff-814a-63744c937238.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/11/ab90501f-832c-4906-bb95-aeef89cd05f8.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/13/c452d463-bf0a-419e-9d3c-5e3bd72ae030.Medium.gif" alt="" /> The number of friggin times that we have gone through this. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/10/684548e0-eb53-4129-9a3a-8330c59fb355.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/2/1b01c081-a0b4-4867-b2d7-a1007d13cb63.Medium.gif" alt="" /> . Hi smersh, we do not have anything to prove, the HBs are the ones who need to prove a hoax. Perhaps they still think the Earth is flat, being supported by elephants & turtles, etc. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

kyle_baron · Mar 8, 2008

Posted by 3488ROFLMAO! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Smersh · Mar 8, 2008

My answer to zarniwoop:          The number of friggin times that we have gone through this.    . Hi smersh, we do not have anything to prove, the HBs are the ones who need to prove a hoax. Perhaps they still think the Earth is flat, being supported by elephants & turtles, etc. Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488 Well Andrew, I guess it's the same old, same old, blah blah blah etc, but I guess I don't really mind. It's just a fact of life that some people will be raising the issue over and over again, long into the future. As Yevaud very helpfully pointed out in the other thread I mentioned, the NASA employees one and the Cold War one should hit the nail on the head, without having to go into all the usual details like the flags waving, dark sky etc etc. Btw, I think you should be put in charge of the emoticons [wink]   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea." Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."Website / forums </div>

derekmcd · Mar 8, 2008

Here is what Buzz thinks... <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/8/2eb1a1a6-3455-4aa2-981b-82f7251d4c2c.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

3488 · Mar 8, 2008

Hi smersh,I agree, its just I'm geting so fed up with this keep coming up again & again & again. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/10/04277736-7244-4ab8-9a6b-c63b6556d45b.Medium.gif" alt="" />Unfortunately, this is part of the consequence of declining education systems, science & technology being seen as uncool, as young people look to celebs, footballers, etc as role models, etc. It's crap, it really is.I am getting off my <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/13/7edcafed-a819-420e-9df6-5458b5b8805c.Medium.gif" alt="" /> now. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/11/672a6f8d-a357-413c-9b02-0da6730de1b2.Medium.gif" alt="" /> .Hi derekmcd, I have seen that before when Buzz laid out the HB. Good on him.Well done Buzz. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/0/f018f720-7402-42c8-a0b6-d6ebdca525cf.Medium.gif" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

zarniwoop · Mar 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here is what Buzz thinks... Posted by derekmcd</DIV> hi yep its the same old story...but i'm responding to a challenge.and talking of same old story how often do we have to see the same old buzz video.this appears everytime the moon hoax theory comes up. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Mar 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here is what Buzz thinks... Posted by derekmcd</DIV> The ability to post that is one a the few benefits of the new BB system, ROFL. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

derekmcd · Mar 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>and talking of same old story how often do we have to see the same old buzz video. Posted by zarniwoop</DIV> As often as it takes.  Alrdin's reaction is not typical of how a liar reacts to being called a liar.  It's more indicative of questioning a man's honor. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

derekmcd · Mar 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>ok so most of us agree theres some aircraft flying about up there at the moment called the aurora....    Posted by zarniwoop</DIV> We do?  Using an unproven myth as back up for a conspiracy doesn't bode well for your argument. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

brandbll · Mar 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> The ability to post that is one a the few benefits of the new BB system, ROFL. Posted by meteorwayne</DIV> Some times you really have to pound the information into them to get through their thick skulls. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard! </div>

CalliArcale · Mar 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>ok so most of us agree theres some aircraft flying about up there at the moment called the aurora....officially this does not exist  area 51 officially does not exist...but i think most here will agree that both these are fact......</DIV>Okay, first off, you are making an awfully big assumption there -- that the majority of people here agree that Aurora exists and is flying around right now.  I for one do not believe that Aurora exists.  It may have once existed on paper, but more likely it was a bit of subterfuge to keep folks from looking too closely at the B-2 Spirit.  If Aurora did exist, I would expect it to have been unveiled by now; black projects don't stay black indefinitely, for two reasons: one, they aren't useful as a deterrent if nobody knows they exist, and two, people are going to find out sooner or later, so it's best to satisfy their curiosity in a controlled manner, as was done with the B-2.Of course, Aurora may only be a rumor anyway, and not even exist on paper.  I've heard very similar stories about an aircraft being designed in Britain, and in Russia.  In short, it has all the hallmarks of an urban legend.  The USAF will not openly deny such rumors; why bother?  The conspiracy theorists wouldn't believe the denial, and anyway, such a rumor ties up the theorists *and* possibly real espionage on a dead-end. Area 51 is another matter.  Officially, it does not exist?  That's not entirely true.  The USAF has acknowledged the existence of Area 51, though they remain cagey about what was done there.  People knew it existed for years, of course; the people who worked there kept quiet, but people saw the aircraft and busses heading out to it, and even attempted to breach the security perimeter in search of photographs.  It's an entirely different kettle of fish from the mythical Aurora.  How real is Area 51?  It's being investigated by the EPA for improper disposal of surplus aircraft fuel.So suffice it to say, I am not impressed by this argument in favor of a moon landing.  Area 51 is not an example of how good the government is at hiding stuff; on the contrary, it's an example of how much it sucks at hiding stuff.  Area 51 has been known about for decades, long before the government 'fessed up to its existence.  If they couldn't keep Area 51 a secret, despite it being very remote and under extremely good security, how could they possibly cover up the vastly larger scale Apollo program? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

billslugg · Mar 10, 2008

zarniwoop "keep it civil ..any nitpicking and it ends."Can you flesh that out a bit? What exactly do I need to do end this?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Mar 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>zarniwoop "keep it civil ..any nitpicking and it ends."Can you flesh that out a bit? What exactly do I need to do end this?  Posted by billslugg</DIV>ROFL <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Mar 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>ok so most of us agree theres some aircraft flying about up there at the moment called the aurora....officially this does not exist.. Posted by zarniwoop</DIV>No.  "Officially" Aurora does exist.  It is a budget entry - A sort of catchall for projects that should not have line-item entries.  It could have been one project, it could have been a bunch of projects. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>area 51 officially does not exist...but i think most here will agree that both these are fact......so how many people have worked on the aurora many i should think how many years has this project been in develpment how many people from start to finish .....thousands i should think.but has anyone ever come up with solid proof it exists why has noone broken silence and told all leaked convincing photographs or video.</DIV>There is a different between common knowledge concerning secrecy and outright leaks.  Area 51's anonymity in official statements has to do with the fact that if the Military acknowledges it then THEY are the ones that breached secrecy regarding Area 51.  Whenever something becomes "common knowledge" or is intentially exposed by the governning agency then secrecy agreements lose their primary means of enforcement.  But, as long as the agency maintains strict secrecy, then anecdotal leaks or minimal exposure do not impinge the secrecy agreement. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>if all this can be kept from the public then ....</DIV>If it was kept from the public, then how do you know about it?Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>in 1969 feed the public what it wants them to see and ,feed the techs at mission control what ever data they want them to see and maybe you just could pull of the worlds greatest hoax.if your a tech at mission control being fed data whos to know if it comes from the moon or a couple of miles up the road feed him the right right info and hes not going to tumble.ok thats todays little rant....back then what you were told was took as gospel.....but maybe not all was as it seemed.     Posted by zarniwoop</DIV>How do you "feed" a 360 foot tall, 6.5 million pound rocket putting out an initial 7.5 million pounds of thrust to a group of random observers, repeatedly, over the course of several years? How do you employ 1/10'th of a Nation's total industrial base on such a program?If Joe-Bob-casual document miner can find a line-item entry in a National Budget report; If anyone with a truck and a pair of binoculars can see a "secret" base; Then how does this massive, phenomenal hoax escape proof of existence?  There is something to be said about mass-effect here.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

derekmcd · Mar 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>zarniwoop "keep it civil ..any nitpicking and it ends."Can you flesh that out a bit? What exactly do I need to do end this?  Posted by billslugg</DIV> Oh my!!  Friggin hilarious.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

Rhiannann · Mar 10, 2008

About the flag waving thing. Ever heard of solar wind?

derekmcd · Mar 10, 2008

Solar winds have absolutely nothing to do with it.The number of particles reaching the moon are not dense enough to make a flag wave.  I believe it's something like 10 particles per cubic centimeter.  They are moving at a high rate of speed, however, there just aren't enough to make the flag wave.They did tests to measure the solar winds while they were there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

CalliArcale · Mar 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Solar winds have absolutely nothing to do with it.The number of particles reaching the moon are not dense enough to make a flag wave.  I believe it's something like 10 particles per cubic centimeter.  They are moving at a high rate of speed, however, there just aren't enough to make the flag wave.They did tests to measure the solar winds while they were there. Posted by derekmcd</DIV> One such test was a forerunner of the Genesis mission.  A large sheet of foil was erected between two posts on the surface of the moon, left for a while, and then packed back up and returned to Earth.  Particles of solar wind were caught in the material for later study.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

bearack · Mar 11, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Okay, first off, you are making an awfully big assumption there -- that the majority of people here agree that Aurora exists and is flying around right now.  I for one do not believe that Aurora exists.  It may have once existed on paper, but more likely it was a bit of subterfuge to keep folks from looking too closely at the B-2 Spirit. </DIV>I don't know if it exist or not, but I know the technology is out there.  It was about 3 or 4 years ago when Lockheed test flew an unmanned model ram jet that exceeded mach 6.  The test was part of their new resuable shuttle, if I recall correctly.  I do remember the press conference on it because it really peaked my interest.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

CalliArcale · Mar 11, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't know if it exist or not, but I know the technology is out there.  It was about 3 or 4 years ago when Lockheed test flew an unmanned model ram jet that exceeded mach 6.  The test was part of their new resuable shuttle, if I recall correctly.  I do remember the press conference on it because it really peaked my interest.  Posted by bearack</DIV>Given that nobody can agree on what Aurora is supposed to be (spaceplane? ramjet? scramjet? stealth? fighter? bomber? surveillance?), it's hard to say whether that related to Aurora or not.  As noted before, Aurora was, at most, an umbrella budget item to cover other things.  I seriously doubt it ever even existed on a drawing board. You are may be referring to Blackswift, a combined-cycle aircraft intended to use a ramjet to get up to Mach 6, possibly with an eye to producing a suborbital spaceplane.  However, it has not yet been flown as far as I know.  It's being built by Lockheed's Skunk Works for DARPA. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

qso1 · Mar 11, 2008

About the flag waving thing. Ever heard of solar wind? Posted by RhiannannThe solar wind thing has already been covered so I'll point out another reason the flag issue is well, a non issue really. Try to get some original footage of the Apollo 11 mission, or any mission where the flag is deploye. The only time the flag actually moves is when the astronauts handle it.The flags were setup hanging from a wire perpendicular to the flagpole running the length of the top of the flag. It hangs motionless in all the footage I have seen...except of course, hoaxers video toasted footage.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

zarniwoop · Mar 11, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>zarniwoop "keep it civil ..any nitpicking and it ends."Can you flesh that out a bit? What exactly do I need to do end this?  Posted by billslugg</DIV> why would you want to end it....... this was started as a challenge.as for the nitpicking...its senseless and childish and one reason why the other thread of the same name dissapeared,because people were nitpicking over spelling etc..instead of just joining in the thread <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zarniwoop · Mar 11, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No.  "Officially" Aurora does exist.  It is a budget entry - A sort of catchall for projects that should not have line-item entries.  It could have been one project, it could have been a bunch of projects. There is a different between common knowledge concerning secrecy and outright leaks.  Area 51's anonymity in official statements has to do with the fact that if the Military acknowledges it then THEY are the ones that breached secrecy regarding Area 51.  Whenever something becomes "common knowledge" or is intentially exposed by the governning agency then secrecy agreements lose their primary means of enforcement.  But, as long as the agency maintains strict secrecy, then anecdotal leaks or minimal exposure do not impinge the secrecy agreement. If it was kept from the public, then how do you know about it?How do you "feed" a 360 foot tall, 6.5 million pound rocket putting out an initial 7.5 million pounds of thrust to a group of random observers, repeatedly, over the course of several years? How do you employ 1/10'th of a Nation's total industrial base on such a program?If Joe-Bob-casual document miner can find a line-item entry in a National Budget report; If anyone with a truck and a pair of binoculars can see a "secret" base; Then how does this massive, phenomenal hoax escape proof of existence?  There is something to be said about mass-effect here.  Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV> hi i have never disputed the fact that the apollo launches took place ...i agree noone could hide a saturn 5 blasting off...as i stated in the notorious " missing thread"the conspiracy starts once they try to land on the moon...earth to moon ok....moon to surface hoax...moon back to earth okthe ability to land on the moon was just not possible at the time....nasa knew that and..but didnt want to lose out to the russians who america thought was going to win the race to the moonso nasa had to fake the actual landing part, get the apollo capsule to the moon ok ...land on moon hoax......moon walk hoax...theres many ways this could have been pulled off.the story continues   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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