Why "Star Trek: The Next Generation Still Sux"!

ZenGalacticore · Jan 21, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I agree completely.  Scotty was my favorite character aside from Kirk.  But, I sort of look at all of them like one big family - You have to take all of them or none of them.  Scott just has a special place reserved for him in my thoughts.  Great guy, great character and a source of inspiration for millions of technowizards.Is there any engineer worth his slide-rule that grew up in that era that DIDN'T owe some of his attraction for engineering to Scotty?  I doubt it. Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV> Amen and Auld Lange Syne to that brother!Scotty- [Peering into the matter-antimatter reactor with his polarity wrench] It feels like ants crawlin' on me face.Mr Spock- [In the con, Kirk was getting laid] Mr. Scott, please refrain from any more poetic metaphors...Yeah man, I loved all the main characters. The whole thing between Spock and Dr. Mckoy, the conflict with the mutual professional respect, and Kirk as the arbitrator who loves and respects them both as well, just great! And it was great any time Spock was in command. Just the way his voice resonated and the style of speech when he gave orders, and he was always calm and rational, BUT NOT BORING! Spock- Mr Sulu, lock in phaser tracking controls...Some of the guest star characters could be pretty annoying though. But of course, that was on purpose to make the regular guys look all the better. They are, after all, the 'best crew in the fleet'. Commodore Decker, in 'Doomsday Machine' was really bad. His voice reminded me of one of the standard villain voices from the '67 SpiderMan cartoon. (A great show in itself, BTW, with its 'mod' music soundtrack.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

ZenGalacticore · Jan 21, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Scotty in "Trouble with Tribbles" was a hoot. Posted by docm</DIV> That one is FIRST on my list to watch again. I loved it when Spock is holding one of the tribbles, and he says: They seem to have a relaxing effect on the human nervous system. Fortunately[Spock's eyes start slowly half shutting and opening, like a purring, relaxed cat] I am...immune...to its...effects... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

ZenGalacticore · Jan 21, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What did you think of the Next Generation episode that Scotty guest starred in? Posted by jim48</DIV> I didn't see it, but that's one I would like to. Will I be able to get through the whole episode? How many meetings do they have in that one? 'Dammit Jim!' Don't tell me they tried to castrate everybody's favorite engineer now... I could see him telling the black-air-filter-on-his-face-guy: "Arrre ya daft, man?" But that wouldn't be politically correct, I mean, you know, a white Scotsman, probably a Presbyterian, implying that a black guy might be 'daft'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

ZenGalacticore · Jan 26, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Star Trek TNG didn't really hit its' stride till the 3rd season.  The unfortunate 2nd season was a consequence of a writers strike.  Most of the really awful eps are from then. First season introduction of Q was awkward, but the several series stuck with it, and in Voyager resulted in the excellent ep with a suicidal Q.   The 'pre-Borg' foray (the parasities taking over star fleet HQ) was dreadful, but retooled as the Borg, (catch the start of the retooling in the 'sleeper' episode) the concept produced some of the best TV sci-fi.  IMO, the jury is still out on the Borg appearance on ST Enterprise however.  The 'crutch' that the time travel episodes have become is almost as trite as the forehead of the week thing. (with the incredible exception of Yesterday's Enterprise)      Posted by vogon13</DIV> Excuses, excuses...   ...and more excuses.The fact that we have 'writer's strikes', says it all. The next time the 'writers' or the 'actors' or the 'directors' go on strike, I suggest all the readers and 'viewers', boycott the writers. (And producers, directors, actors, stunt-men,networks, brokers, middlemen,etc)Oh, I know what you're thinking: The poor writers and actors and so forth...You think they give a damn about you and your job?Vogon, because you are way out there and I respect you for that-as I am at the center of the galaxy- I will check out "Yesterday's Enterprise". Jesus-tap-dancin'-Christ, I have watched the first 3/4ths of many TNG episodes, but could not make it to the conclusion. I find it sad that the producers did not see fit to include episodic dramatic music and traditional, proven, creative devices. They seem to have gotten so far off on their own egos, as if they themselves were truly going where 'No Man Has Gone Before'.And because of their collective ego, they went nowhere where every loser has stayed. I.e, in the foggy realm of 'forgottenhood'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

ZenGalacticore · Jan 31, 2009

Oh admit it fellow sci-fi afficiandos!! "Star Trek: The Next Genration" reeks!!I know some of you have watched it again since reading this thread. And many are saying to themselves: 'Holy wow!! I never thought about it!! Zen is right! All they ever do on this show is sit around and talk!!!! This show SUX!!! Can we have some frickin' action, please? Can we have some sex? Some violence? Some something?NO! All they're going to do is sit around and talk about how primitive is SEX, and VIOLENCE, and ACTION, and RED-BLOODED REACTION! And how Federation Forbid any Man acts like a Man in dire circumstances. God forbid! If a man acts in desperation for the preservation of his comrades or his own life(And gets really angry, aggressive, and pissed off in the process) then that is 'irrational and emotional', according to the idiots that produced 'Star Trek: The Next Generation'. (But if he saves the life of a female, then that's okay. As long as he's not violent about it, or has no lasting trauma because of his bravery and sacrifice.)"Awful science fiction", is the best phrase I can come up with to describe the trash.              <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

drwayne · Feb 2, 2009

Zen,My favorite episode in the original series is "The Doomsday Machine", in part because of the good fit beween scenes and music.The sequence where they initially board the Constellation - in particular when the damage control team descend the ladders into engineering - the sound of a faint heart beat so well suggests a gravely wounded beast.When Scotty gets the Constellation going - and Kirk works to bring it under control...My favorite though is the exchange between Kirk and Scotty on the ConstellationKirk:   Keep pouring it on ScottyScotty: Captain, I still don't know what we're do'inKirk:   We're moving, the Enterprise isn't, maybe that thing will see us, and let the Enterprise go.  If I only had some phasersScotty: Phasers, you got em.  I have one bank recharged.Kirk:   Scotty, you just earned you pay for the weekWayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything." Admiral Jackie Fisher </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 2, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Zen,My favorite episode in the original series is "The Doomsday Machine", in part because of the good fit beween scenes and music.The sequence where they initially board the Constellation - in particular when the damage control team descend the ladders into engineering - the sound of a faint heart beat so well suggests a gravely wounded beast.When Scotty gets the Constellation going - and Kirk works to bring it under control...My favorite though is the exchange between Kirk and Scotty on the ConstellationKirk:   Keep pouring it on ScottyScotty: Captain, I still don't know what we're do'inKirk:   We're moving, the Enterprise isn't, maybe that thing will see us, and let the Enterprise go.  If I only had some phasersScotty: Phasers, you got em.  I have one bank recharged.Kirk:   Scotty, you just earned you pay for the weekWayne Posted by drwayne</DIV> Oh yeah, 'Doomsday Machine' is one of my favorites. And it was great to see Scotty in a beat-up, crippled, sister C.Class Starship and fix her up. But the actor that played Commodore Decker was annoying. The scene towards the end when Kirk directly orders Spock to take command of the enterprise(despite Starfleet Regulations) and threatens to have Decker arrested if he didn't cede the con was a good one too. 'Vulcans never bluff'.

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silylene old · Feb 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>......but of the post-Star Trek Star Treks I think the best was Deep Space Nine. That was almost a psychodrama, and unlike all the other Star Trek shows, there was not one weak sister in the cast. That entire cast from top to bottom was quite good. Posted by jim48</DIV>You actually cared about the Bajorans?  That planetful of whiney, uneducated wing-nuts and babbling prophets?  I was hoping that the Kardassians, or the Borg, or Klingons, or Romulons, or anyone would nuke that ugly worthless planet away.  And Kira (although well acted) was one of the most annoying ST characters of any show. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function. </div> </div>

drwayne · Feb 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Oh yeah, 'Doomsday Machine' is one of my favorites. And it was great to see Scotty in a beat-up, crippled, sister C.Class Starship and fix her up. But the actor that played Commodore Decker was annoying. The scene towards the end when Kirk directly orders Spock to take command of the enterprise(despite Starfleet Regulations) and threatens to have Decker arrested if he didn't cede the con was a good one too. 'Vulcans never bluff'.

Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>There is a subtle thing that the Decker character does.  He has a couple of "tapes" that he is playing with as he sits in the command chair.  Kind of reminds one of Bogart and ball bearings.Decker goes from being a sympathetic character, whose anguish at having beamed his crew down to a planet that no longer exists is palpable, to being a fool on a suicide mission.One other place that music works to make a pont - when Kirk and McCoy are talking about what the machine is, and how it is "something like the old H bomb was supposed to be" - the music says "here is something important"Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything." Admiral Jackie Fisher </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Feb 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You actually cared about the Bajorans?  That planetful of whiney, uneducated wing-nuts and babbling prophets?  I was hoping that the Kardassians, or the Borg, or Klingons, or Romulons, or anyone would nuke that ugly worthless planet away.  And Kira (although well acted) was one of the most annoying ST characters of any show. Posted by silylene</DIV>10/10Outstanding!I, too, would like to see Bajor end up as a greasy smudge spot in a third-rate corner of the galaxy.

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a_lost_packet_ · Feb 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There is a subtle thing that the Decker character does.  He has a couple of "tapes" that he is playing with as he sits in the command chair.  Kind of reminds one of Bogart and ball bearings...Posted by drwayne</DIV>Awesome observation!  That's pretty neat if they actually contrived to put that type of imagery in that scene.Strawberries.. strawberries... (One of my favorite films, btw.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 3, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Awesome observation!  That's pretty neat if they actually contrived to put that type of imagery in that scene.Strawberries.. strawberries... (One of my favorite films, btw.) Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV> Yeah, TOS had a lot of subtlties. Remember in 'Wink of an Eye' when Kirk and the hottie disappear for a while during a scene with other characters. When the cam goes on Kirk and the hottie again, she is dressed and brushing her hair in the mirror while Kirk is seated on the 'bed' putting his second Federation Issue boot on. That scene of course would go over the head of a 10 year-old but the teens and adults would get it. Less is more in good storytelling, IMHO, kind of like the original 'Alien'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

LoneStar77 · Feb 5, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Star Trek TNG didn't really hit its' stride till the 3rd season.  The unfortunate 2nd season was a consequence of a writers strike.  Most of the really awful eps are from then. First season introduction of Q was awkward, but the several series stuck with it, and in Voyager resulted in the excellent ep with a suicidal Q.   The 'pre-Borg' foray (the parasities taking over star fleet HQ) was dreadful, but retooled as the Borg, (catch the start of the retooling in the 'sleeper' episode) the concept produced some of the best TV sci-fi.  IMO, the jury is still out on the Borg appearance on ST Enterprise however.  The 'crutch' that the time travel episodes have become is almost as trite as the forehead of the week thing. (with the incredible exception of Yesterday's Enterprise)      Posted by vogon13</DIV> I like your points, here. Personally, I thought the first season was the worst. The acting seemed stiff and the dialog unreal. Watching it was a real love-hate fest. I needed my Star Trek fix, but the episodes made me ill.I remembered enjoying the 2nd season a little more, though it was still a disappointment for this ardent TOS fan. Yet, TNG produced two of my all-time favorite Star Trek episodes -- "The Inner Light" and "Darmok" (with the late Paul Winfield).The upcoming Star Trek movie seems to promise a "coming of age" for the Star Trek franchise. I hope it lives up to that promise. The troubled youth of Kirk and Spock is a nice idea. One of the trailers seems to suggest they may have pulled it off. I hope so.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> LoneStar77 (Carl Martin) www.AncientSuns.com </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Feb 5, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...Posted by LoneStar77</DIV>I see this is your first post!  Welcome to SDC Lonestar77! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 5, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Oh yeah, 'Doomsday Machine' is one of my favorites. And it was great to see Scotty in a beat-up, crippled, sister C.Class Starship and fix her up.  Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>As an interesting aside, the show's prop makers needed to come up with a "damaged" version of the Constellation-class starship in order to depict the crippled sister ship, coincidentally named Constellation.  They quite understandably did not want to deliberately mess up their prized studio model of the Enterprise.  So what did they use?  A commercially-available plastic AMT-brand model, which could be picked up in any hobby shop!  They apparently used a blow torch to partially melt the warp nacelle. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/11/5b691b37-c8ed-42af-abf8-6ca0f93eb713.Medium.jpg" alt="" />   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 6, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>As an interesting aside, the show's prop makers needed to come up with a "damaged" version of the Constellation-class starship in order to depict the crippled sister ship, coincidentally named Constellation.  They quite understandably did not want to deliberately mess up their prized studio model of the Enterprise.  So what did they use?  A commercially-available plastic AMT-brand model, which could be picked up in any hobby shop!  They apparently used a blow torch to partially melt the warp nacelle.   Posted by crazyeddie</DIV> That is too cool Eddy, thank you. Talk about making the most of one's resources! Are you sure Roddenberry wasn't British or Japanese?

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lampblack · Feb 13, 2009

Judging from the posts so far, I'm guessing that this won't be well-received. But I'll say it anyhow: I loved Voyager. And Katherine Janeway was one helluva Star Fleet captain.And I totally agree that many (if not most) of TNG's first-season shows were retreads from TOS. They erred on the side of producing something that was comfortable for old Star Trek fans. It ended up being way too comfortable.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Just tell the truth and let the chips fall... </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Judging from the posts so far, I'm guessing that this won't be well-received. But I'll say it anyhow: I loved Voyager. And Katherine Janeway was one helluva Star Fleet captain.And I totally agree that many (if not most) of TNG's first-season shows were retreads from TOS. They erred on the side of producing something that was comfortable for old Star Trek fans. It ended up being way too comfortable.   Posted by lampblack</DIV> I agree that the Captain Janeway character made 'Voyager' at least interesting. It was funny to me to watch that actress do the 'technobabble'. For some reason, she made you want to watch but at the same time laugh. I could almost see her cracking a smile many times.The first two seasons of TNG were anything but comfortable to veteran TOS fans, IMHO. Most of us hated it, ie, those of us who were around 6 or 7 to 15 or 16 years-old when TOS was cancelled in late 1969. Many gave TNG more than a little patience to come through. Everyone kept saying: 'It's getting better. You have to watch it." It got better after season 2, I'll admit. But I've still never been able to get to the conclusion of even one episode. And if I have, I don't remember.Are any TNG episodes really memorable? I mean classic memorable? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

pathfinder_01 · Feb 14, 2009

The star trek franchise is rather interesting. It seems that people seem to like one series but not the other. Very fractured.  Few TOS people like TNG. I kind of liked everything but enterprise. Deep space nine was my favorite one of them all.  My favorite TNG episodes were   All good things. (Great way to end the series without ending it)  Inner light  Starship mine  Clues   Devils Due  I also loved episodes where Q or Troy’s mother came in and shook things up. From what I have read TNG is probably the closest thing to Rodenberry’s vision as any trek. He did  not want conflict between the crew and wanted a word without money. The one thing I hate about TNG is how sanitized and perfect it’s world is compared to say deep space nine where there are lots of shades of grey.

ZenGalacticore · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The star trek franchise is rather interesting. It seems that people seem to like one series but not the other. Very fractured.  Few TOS people like TNG. I kind of liked everything but enterprise. Deep space nine was my favorite one of them all.  My favorite TNG episodes were   All good things. (Great way to end the series without ending it)  Inner light  Starship mine  Clues   Devils Due  I also loved episodes where Q or Troy’s mother came in and shook things up. From what I have read TNG is probably the closest thing to Rodenberry’s vision as any trek. He did  not want conflict between the crew and wanted a word without money. The one thing I hate about TNG is how sanitized and perfect it’s world is compared to say deep space nine where there are lots of shades of grey. Posted by pathfinder_01</DIV>  Dramatic teleplay without conflict is a recipe for failure. Without sex and violence too? Boring. Let's replace it with a bunch of technobabble that describes fictitious technology and engineering. Yeah, that'll be real exciting! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

pathfinder_01 · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Dramatic teleplay without conflict is a recipe for failure. Without sex and violence too? Boring. Let's replace it with a bunch of technobabble that describes fictictious technology and engineering. Yeah, that'll be real exciting! Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV> Nah there was sex, just not often for captain picard. He did manage to have a bad girl girlfriend in two episodes named Vosh(I think). Picard also had a very close relationship if not romantic with dr. crusher and true romance with one other girl.  . Riker and Gordi were the ones who got lucky and Data is err ah “Fully Programmed”.   There just wasn’t the blatant sexuality of the Original Series or it’s Pilot. I.e. crew walking around in next to nothing on the pilot and mini skirts on the series. It is a very post sexual revolution post HIV show. I don’t think that the blatant sexuality would have worked well. It didn’t work that well for enterprise. For TOS it was something new different challenging morals. For TNG it is been there done that.   I am a bigger fan of dr. who and even I can see that the things that went on in the original dr. who would not go well today.     Picard was a different than Kirk. He can fight when called for but he would much rather think through his actions. Kirk wants to blow them to kingdom come. Picard wants his options. He makes much better use of his crew than Kirk. And the show is more balanced. It isn’t the Spock, Bones, and Kirk show. Each character plays a role in the show.    Conflict was saved for characters outside of the crew. However there is a limit to how much conflict you can have between crew. Too much and the audience will start wondering just how can this crew pull together to get out this situation.   They tried to add a Bones like character with Dr. Pulaski but frankly that didn’t work. I like Pulaski, but Picard is unlike Kirk. He usually isn’t doing things that make one question his sanity.  That is also why I liked Q (once they softened him up) and Tory’s mother. They shook the perfect complacent world of TNG up from time to time.   i.e. Luxuna Troy with her hyper sex drive and crush on the reluctant Picard.

ZenGalacticore · Feb 16, 2009

Anyone who's healthy enough to walk up one flight of stairs is always going to be interested in sex. People will always be interested in sex, politically incorrect or not. Those who aren't interested in sex, won't leave any biological legacy. The neat thing about TOS, is that it was sexy, yet subtle. Of course, conflict, violence, and sex will get old on screen without good writing, direction, and acting.One might be surprised how much power the Chief Medical Doctor/Surgeon has on say, an aircraft carrier at sea with a 5,000 man crew. Roddenberry based his federation and/or Enterprise power structure and command and control operations on Naval systems. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I agree that the Captain Janeway character made 'Voyager' at least interesting. It was funny to me to watch that actress do the 'technobabble'. For some reason, she made you want to watch but at the same time laugh. I could almost see her cracking a smile many times.The first two seasons of TNG were anything but comfortable to veteran TOS fans, IMHO. Most of us hated it, ie, those of us who were around 6 or 7 to 15 or 16 years-old when TOS was cancelled in late 1969. Many gave TNG more than a little patience to come through. Everyone kept saying: 'It's getting better. You have to watch it." It got better after season 2, I'll admit. But I've still never been able to get to the conclusion of even one episode. And if I have, I don't remember.Are any TNG episodes really memorable? I mean classic memorable? Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>Only the episodes with the Borg were memorable, to me.  Data was the only truly interesting character.  The rest of the crew didn't get interesting until they made the feature-length movies, which made me wonder why they held back for so long.As for Voyager, for some reason, I hated that show too, initially (perhaps it was because of Neelix).  But when I started watching it in reruns, I developed a new appreciation for it, and it's actors....especially Janeway.  That was a difficult role, and her personality was complex. Not surprisingly, it really took off when they added Seven of Nine to the cast.....she really made that series.  And Jeri Ryan was such a great actress.  The episode where the Doctor downloaded himself into her cortical node to escape from the people who hated holographic lifeforms was hysterically funny, and by far my favorite.  And unlike the series finales from the first two shows, which I thought were dull, Voyager's was superb in every way. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

mattblack · Feb 19, 2009

First of all, Star Trek: The Next Generation is NOT awful. But it was a standard setter and opened the floodgates to lots of Science Fiction on TV which IS awful, so your context is understandable. And saying only the Borg episodes are enjoyable is a bit like saying only the Dalek episodes in Doctor Who are worth watching -- it simply is not true. TNG was a bit stiff and politically correct for it's first 2 Seasons but when it reached Season 3, suddenly it took off. Also, TNG's early seasons are now curiously dated, more so in my opinion than the Original 1960's show now looks and plays. Actually, my wife and I have been rewatching a lot of Trek in all it's incarnations lately. As I said, TNG was wobbly to start with but eventually turns into a very good show. But don't forget -- it's not a 2009 production and it's style and look in all respects are not contemporary: it's obviously NOT "Galactica"!!The Original Series: with new FX, most of which work and some that don't -- it's strength are the character's chemistry and many of the scripts, which still work today.Deep Space Nine: After "Galactica" (Reimagined) and the great Babylon 5, this is one of the best "Space Operas" ever made. I'm not kidding. After a shaky start, it found it's feet in it's 2nd and 3rd Seasons and become an excellent show. DS9 wasn't always the best Trek, but it was often the best dramatic television. If you never got round to watching it, do yourself a favour and revisit it. Early into it's 3rd Season you'll become hooked!!Voyager: Excellent potential and some good characters, but it never lived up to it's full potential. Took until it's THIRD Season to really find it's feet!!Enterprise: Been rewatching it lately (up to Season 2 now) and there's actually not very much wrong with this show at all!! Takes until it's second Season to really get moving, but give it a second chance and you'll be pleasantly surprised. The best way to watch it is in batches of episodes.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

earth_bound_misfit · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Not surprisingly, it really took off when they added Seven of Nine to the cast.....she really made that series.   Posted by crazyeddie</DIV>I agree, for some strange fly busting reason my appreciation for Voyager really took off then

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