Why "Star Trek: The Next Generation Still Sux"!

ZenGalacticore · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>First of all, Star Trek: The Next Generation is NOT awful. But it was a standard setter and opened the floodgates to lots of Science Fiction on TV which IS awful, so your context is understandable. And saying only the Borg episodes are enjoyable is a bit like saying only the Dalek episodes in Doctor Who are worth watching -- it simply is not true. TNG was a bit stiff and politically correct for it's first 2 Seasons but when it reached Season 3, suddenly it took off. Also, TNG's early seasons are now curiously dated, more so in my opinion than the Original 1960's show now looks and plays. Actually, my wife and I have been rewatching a lot of Trek in all it's incarnations lately. As I said, TNG was wobbly to start with but eventually turns into a very good show. But don't forget -- it's not a 2009 production and it's style and look in all respects are not contemporary: it's obviously NOT "Galactica"!!The Original Series: with new FX, most of which work and some that don't -- it's strength are the character's chemistry and many of the scripts, which still work today.Deep Space Nine: After "Galactica" (Reimagined) and the great Babylon 5, this is one of the best "Space Operas" ever made. I'm not kidding. After a shaky start, it found it's feet in it's 2nd and 3rd Seasons and become an excellent show. DS9 wasn't always the best Trek, but it was often the best dramatic television. If you never got round to watching it, do yourself a favour and revisit it. Early into it's 3rd Season you'll become hooked!!Voyager: Excellent potential and some good characters, but it never lived up to it's full potential. Took until it's THIRD Season to really find it's feet!!Enterprise: Been rewatching it lately (up to Season 2 now) and there's actually not very much wrong with this show at all!! Takes until it's second Season to really get moving, but give it a second chance and you'll be pleasantly surprised. The best way to watch it is in batches of episodes.  Posted by mattblack</DIV> Well this is simply a satirical, cynical, opinion thread. In my humble opinion, TNG was and still is awful. In your opinion it's not, fine, I expected opinions contrary to mine. But nothing compares to the original and its dynamic excitement. And though it be 40 years old now, it is holding up remarkably well.Did you read the original post? It still makes me laugh when I re-read it. I was of course trying to be funny, but it's still just an opinion. I love science fiction, but, again in my humble opinion, it's rarely done well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>But nothing compares to the original and its dynamic excitement. And though it be 40 years old now, it is holding up remarkably well. Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>Indeed.  When watching TNG, I often found myself longing for some kind of dramatic climax to the episode, you know, a fistfight, something blowing up, or some traumatic emotional outburst.....but all too often they just sort of petered out.  TOS was always a more exciting experience to watch, in my opinion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 19, 2009

That's one of the problems with TNG. They flouted the rules of good drama, rules going back 2,500 years to the ancient Greeks. They tried to be too pioneering in their literary devices and structures, and, by doing so 'pioneered' nothing, except machine-like, boring characters.The original show had many stirring, tantalizing moments, especially when the characters have a realization of some far-out phenomena, and the episodic music was always relative to whatever profound realization was occurring. TNG is just so humdrum in comparison. They tried to be too intelligent and logical, like all of a sudden humans were like Vulcans in temprement. Humans will always be emotional and psychologically complex. And men will always be men and women will be women, no matter what century we're in.BTW Eddy, I never watched a whole episode of 'Voyager' either. I did just watch again 'The Trouble With Tribbles' and 'The Doomsday Machine', probably each for the 50th time, and I thoroughly enjoyed them. I was amused, entertained, enthralled, and delighted. That's the definition of 'classic'. 'Classic' never goes out of style or gets boring. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

space_tycoon · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's awful because all they ever do is sit around and talk away the episode.Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV> I miss the days when not every science fiction tv episode required a bloody rampage, massive gun battle or series of explosions to get the point across.Nothing wrong with action, but talking is cool too.  Kinda goes hand in glove with thinking.TNG had its flaws like any series, but on net it was a milestone in televised science fiction: mature, philosophical, thought-provoking, challenging. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I miss the days when not every science fiction tv episode required a bloody rampage, massive gun battle or series of explosions to get the point across.Nothing wrong with action, but talking is cool too.  Kinda goes hand in glove with thinking.TNG had its flaws like any series, but on net it was a milestone in televised science fiction: mature, philosophical, thought-provoking, challenging. Posted by space_tycoon</DIV> Star Trek TOS had it all, and it didn't overdo the 'bloody rampages' or 'massive gun battles'. You're speaking of more modern Hollywood fare, I think. The problem with TNG is that it had too much talking and reflection. Too much emphasis on the terminology of non-extistent technology, straining to be sophisticated and intelligent-sounding all the while making it sound stupid. A bunch of technobabble is not good sci-fi.TNG will never compare to Star Trek. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

pathfinder_01 · Feb 19, 2009

TNG I saw the first two episodes when it premiered, but as it was running at  a time when it conflicted with Dr. Who(my fav. Show). I didn’t get into it until after Dr. Who was canceled. I hated the first two episodes they were too much like TOS, but with new crew. I figured if that’s all they are going to do why bother. I would say the first season is the worse of them all. The second season is showing improvement. The crew is starting to click and what not, but I agree the third is when it took off.   Deep Space Nine, I thought would be a dud, instead turned into my favorite Star Trek (until the war with the dominion). I loved the soap Opera aspects. I loved the fact that if you ordered coffee in the replicator you could never be 100% sure that you would get coffee.  It could make coffee. It could break.  It could replicate a weapon and start firing at you.  Nothing in the station could always be counted on. It could break or be tampered with by some terrorist group or perhaps set off some plan by the cardasions   I loved the Defiant (a little federation warship). The Enterprise maybe a well armed ship of exploration however the only thing the Defiant wants to explore is how well can you fight. The only thing I hated was the wars. Deep Space Nine is already a tense place, war does not add to it. I am not sure if the show lasted too long (the writer ran out of ideas). Or if they could not explore some other ideas like the romulans and their loaned clocking device on board Defiant.  The show really waned when Jadzia Dax was killed. She was my favorite character.   Voyager was ok. I hated the first couple episodes and found Janeway’s voice grating. Plus she is a little too much like Kirk. That being said after the first three shows I found it interesting. I loved how they were able to use Q. I have mixed feelings about the Borg. They were used well, but they were overused. They became much less a threat in this show compared to TNG.   Enterprise is the only show I could not get into. I hate prequels in general. Plus they chose a song that I hated for a theme song. I think the reason why the show failed was they put too much information from the pervious treks (and trek movies) in it. It could be hard to follow if you are not a fan. The other thing I hated was the biogel(any excuse to get the crew half naked). I hated the weapons (too advanced I think for the time period).  This show needed much to fix it. The acting was fine and I liked the characters, but it was just the whole rest I didn’t like.  My favorite treck book series is The New Frontier ones by Peter David. I didn’t like the last one as much as I usually liked the rest. Mostly because in that one they turned my favorite character a half romulianhalf Vulcan science officer into a somewhat evil character. I love the humor in those books. I..e. the bisexualigendered head of engineering who likes to seduce members of both genders and gives the captain an sassy answer.

ZenGalacticore · Feb 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>TNG I saw the first two episodes when it premiered, but as it was running at  a time when it conflicted with Dr. Who(my fav. Show). I didn’t get into it until after Dr. Who was canceled. I hated the first two episodes they were too much like TOS, but with new crew. I figured if that’s all they are going to do why bother. I would say the first season is the worse of them all. The second season is showing improvement. The crew is starting to click and what not, but I agree the third is when it took off.   Deep Space Nine, I thought would be a dud, instead turned into my favorite Star Trek (until the war with the dominion). I loved the soap Opera aspects. I loved the fact that if you ordered coffee in the replicator you could never be 100% sure that you would get coffee.  It could make coffee. It could break.  It could replicate a weapon and start firing at you.  Nothing in the station could always be counted on. It could break or be tampered with by some terrorist group or perhaps set off some plan by the cardasions   I loved the Defiant (a little federation warship). The Enterprise maybe a well armed ship of exploration however the only thing the Defiant wants to explore is how well can you fight. The only thing I hated was the wars. Deep Space Nine is already a tense place, war does not add to it. I am not sure if the show lasted too long (the writer ran out of ideas). Or if they could not explore some other ideas like the romulans and their loaned clocking device on board Defiant.  The show really waned when Jadzia Dax was killed. She was my favorite character.   Voyager was ok. I hated the first couple episodes and found Janeway’s voice grating. Plus she is a little too much like Kirk. That being said after the first three shows I found it interesting. I loved how they were able to use Q. I have mixed feelings about the Borg. They were used well, but they were overused. They became much less a threat in this show compared to TNG.   Enterprise is the only show I could not get into. I hate prequels in general. Plus they chose a song that I hated for a theme song. I think the reason why the show failed was they put too much information from the pervious treks (and trek movies) in it. It could be hard to follow if you are not a fan. The other thing I hated was the biogel(any excuse to get the crew half naked). I hated the weapons (too advanced I think for the time period).  This show needed much to fix it. The acting was fine and I liked the characters, but it was just the whole rest I didn’t like.  My favorite treck book series is The New Frontier ones by Peter David. I didn’t like the last one as much as I usually liked the rest. Mostly because in that one they turned my favorite character a half romulianhalf Vulcan science officer into a somewhat evil character. I love the humor in those books. I..e. the bisexualigendered head of engineering who likes to seduce members of both genders and gives the captain an sassy answer. Posted by pathfinder_01</DIV> I actually thought 'Enterprise' was the best the franchise has done since the original. But the theme song to 'Enterprise'? Oh man, how bad can you get. Terrible. 'Its been a long time... blah blah dribble dribble crap' And Captain Archer(Scott Bacula), looks too much like a young Steve Martin, expecially when he furrows his brow. I'm always waiting for him to go: 'Haaaayyyyyyyyyyy!! It's impossible... to snort a starship up your nose... it's just immmpossssible!!' <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

mattblack · Feb 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well this is simply a satirical, cynical, opinion thread. In my humble opinion, TNG was and still is awful. In your opinion it's not, fine, I expected opinions contrary to mine. But nothing compares to the original and its dynamic excitement. And though it be 40 years old now, it is holding up remarkably well. **Agreed -- I DID say that** Did you read the original post? **Did you really read mine?** It still makes me laugh when I re-read it. I was of course trying to be funny, but it's still just an opinion. I love science fiction, but, again in my humble opinion, it's rarely done well **Of that we are in complete sync -- If you've never heard of "Sturgeon's Law -- Google it!!**. Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>Yes, I read your original post and understood the context. It was amusing and enlightening in its own way. However, many a "Oh, I'm just having a bit of satirical fun with it" are code-words for attack, deflection and "actually, that show sucks, I can't stand it and I'm gonna have a little fun at the expense of all those tens of millions of people who get enjoyment out of it: the Fools!!"Am I taking this and the shows themselves too seriously? Possibly. Am I attributing too much cynicism and mean-spiritedness to your post? Possibly. But I stand by my brief comments, opinions and assessments, based on decades of watching and which are naturally not going to be in your style. Many who love a TV show or musical group will only see the "they are awful tag" and react strongly, because calling something awful is strong language, whatever your intent.I have a friend who likes dark, aggressive "death metal music", which I think is awful -- but I'd defend to the death his opinion and right to love it. Incidentally, he hates all Star Trek, not just TNG!! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yes, I read your original post and understood the context. It was amusing and enlightening in its own way. However, many a "Oh, I'm just having a bit of satirical fun with it" are code-words for attack, deflection and "actually, that show sucks, I can't stand it and I'm gonna have a little fun at the expense of all those tens of millions of people who get enjoyment out of it: the Fools!!"Am I taking this and the shows themselves too seriously? Possibly. Am I attributing too much cynicism and mean-spiritedness to your post? Possibly. But I stand by my brief comments, opinions and assessments, based on decades of watching and which are naturally not going to be in your style. Many who love a TV show or musical group will only see the "they are awful tag" and react strongly, because calling something awful is strong language, whatever your intent.I have a friend who likes dark, aggressive "death metal music", which I think is awful -- but I'd defend to the death his opinion and right to love it. Incidentally, he hates all Star Trek, not just TNG!! Posted by mattblack</DIV>   In its own way is the only way it could be humorous. I was not using any 'code-words'. The title of the thread should be obvious: 'Why "Star Trek the Next Generation" is awful.' Was I being subtle?Have you never felt the rush of making fun at the expense of tens of millions of people? You should try it sometime.I never said or even implied that fans of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" are 'fools'. I was stating my opinion on the series. It's my right whether it's my thread or not, as it is yours, and everybody elses.'Many' can think for themselves.Is the word 'awful' strong language where you come from? How about completely #*@^$ing sucks!Who's taking away anybody's right to an opinion or to express love?My intent was humor and commentary. If you interpret humor and commentary to be synonymous with 'mean-spiritedness', then so be it. But I wasn't intentionally mean spirited.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

mattblack · Feb 20, 2009

>>Is the word 'awful' strong language where you come from? How about completely #*@^$ing sucks!<<In polite society; yes, awful is strong stuff. And polite appears to be the standard you and I've been using. I'm always dissapointed to see those blogs that degenerate into foul language and childish comments -- talking with you is very much more civilised and you conduct yourself the way most people should, I commend you. It's nice to operate at a more mature and intelligent level -- people like you "Make it so". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I actually thought 'Enterprise' was the best the franchise has done since the original. But the theme song to 'Enterprise'? Oh man, how bad can you get. Terrible. 'Its been a long time... blah blah dribble dribble crap' And Captain Archer(Scott Bacula), looks too much like a young Steve Martin, expecially when he furrows his brow. I'm always waiting for him to go: 'Haaaayyyyyyyyyyy!! It's impossible... to snort a starship up your nose... it's just immmpossssible!!' Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>I guess I must be the only person in the world that actually liked the the theme song to "Enterprise".  I found it somehow uplifting and inspiring, which I'm pretty convinced was what they intended.  And I liked Scott Bacula, too, whom I've always thought was a hot-looking man (I guess I've got a thing for men with big schnozzes!), but he wasn't outstanding as a captain.  The whole cast of Enterprise was pretty impressive, especially John Billingsley as Dr. Phlox, who should have won an Emmy for his performance, in my opinion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>>>Is the word 'awful' strong language where you come from? How about completely #*@^$ing sucks!<<In polite society; yes, awful is strong stuff. And polite appears to be the standard you and I've been using. I'm always dissapointed to see those blogs that degenerate into foul language and childish comments -- talking with you is very much more civilised and you conduct yourself the way most people should, I commend you. It's nice to operate at a more mature and intelligent level -- people like you "Make it so". Posted by mattblack</DIV> That's one reason I like SDC, there are behavioral guidelines that set a reference standard of decorum, as it should be. On many sites it's anything goes and people become vitriolic, vindictive, spiteful, hateful, and just plain ugly. They get way out of control and begin to completely pontificate with a self-righteousness that becomes intolerable to any reasonable person. Although this is simply an opinion thread, on harder issues here we are expected to back-up our assertions with evidence, examples, or links to the source.I myself don't use links, but my examples are almost always easily 'googlable'.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

earth_bound_misfit · Feb 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I guess I must be the only person in the world that actually liked the the theme song to "Enterprise".  I found it somehow uplifting and inspiring, which I'm pretty convinced was what they intended.  Posted by crazyeddie</DIV> You're not alone Eddie, I like it as well. I also like the opening, the quick history of wayfarers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wanna see this site looking like the old SDC uplink?Go here to see how: SDC Eye saver </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 21, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> You're not alone Eddie, I like it as well. I also like the opening, the quick history of wayfarers. Posted by earth_bound_misfit</DIV> Okay, fine fellows. But does it compare to "These are the voyages of the Starship..."Enterprise". A five year mission...[Music] Bahm ba bahm- Bahm ba bum bah bahmmm...                                                                 ...    Bah bomb! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

earth_bound_misfit · Feb 21, 2009

How does that go again? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wanna see this site looking like the old SDC uplink?Go here to see how: SDC Eye saver </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 23, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How does that go again? Posted by earth_bound_misfit</DIV> It goes...  hehehehe... : Bahm ba bahmm..hehehehehehehehehe... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 23, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Okay, fine fellows. But does it compare to "These are the voyages of the Starship..."Enterprise". A five year mission...[Music] Bahm ba bahm- Bahm ba bum bah bahmmm...                                                                 ...    Bah bomb! Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>The music in TOS was vastly superior to the music in the series that followed, and it really enhanced the dramatic experience.  Here's an interesting blurb on the music from Wiki:For budgetary reasons, this series made significant use of "tracked" music, or music written for other episodes that was re-used in later episodes. Of the 79 episodes that were broadcast, only 31 had complete or partial original dramatic underscores created specifically for them. The remainder of the music in any episode was tracked from a different episode. Which episodes would have new music was mostly the decision of Robert H. Justman, the Associate Producer during the first two seasons.Screen credits for the composers were given based on the amount of music composed for, or composed and re-used in, the episode. Some of these final music credits were occasionally incorrect.Beyond the short works of "source" music (music whose source is seen or acknowledged onscreen) created for specific episodes, eight composers were contracted to create original dramatic underscore during the series run: Alexander Courage, George Duning, Jerry Fielding, Gerald Fried, Sol Kaplan, Samuel Matlovsky, Joseph Mullendore, and Fred Steiner. The composers conducted their own music. Of these composers, Steiner composed the original music for thirteen episodes and it is his instrumental arrangement of Alexander Courage's main theme that is heard over many of the end title credits of the series.The tracked musical underscores were chosen and edited to the episode by the music editors, principal of whom were Robert Raff (most of Season One), Jim Henrikson (Season One and Two), and Richard Lapham (Season Three).[19]The original recordings of the music of some episodes were released in the United States commercially on the GNP Crescendo Record Co. label. Music for a number of the episodes was re-recorded by the Varese Sarabande label, with Fred Steiner conducting the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; and on the Label X label, with Tony Bremner conducting the Royal Philharmonic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_TOS <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

SkylarkDuQuesne · Feb 24, 2009

Star Trek TNG was awful because Wesley Crusher sucked the oxygen out of any room he was in. Star Trek TNG was awful because Troi was a very unempathetic empath. Clueless! (and we never saw hard nipples <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />)Star Trek TNG was awful because humans were woosies and relied on Worf and Data to save them.STTNG was awful because Number Two had no warrior blood. I wanted to b!t@hslap him to get it out of the way.  STTNG was awful because they kept insisting on looking at some mysterious cloud closer.    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 25, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Star Trek TNG was awful because Wesley Crusher sucked the oxygen out of any room he was in. Star Trek TNG was awful because Troi was a very unempathetic empath. Clueless! (and we never saw hard nipples )Star Trek TNG was awful because humans were woosies and relied on Worf and Data to save them.STTNG was awful because Number Two had no warrior blood. I wanted to b!t@hslap him to get it out of the way.  STTNG was awful because they kept insisting on looking at some mysterious cloud closer.    Posted by SkylarkDuQuesne</DIV> If I remember correctly, Crusher was the young cadet on 'intern mission training but active at times as well', right? IIRC, then he is like an annoying mosquito bite. How serious could we take the crew and mission of the Enterprise in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', when they have baby boys on board who aren't even shaving yet? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

crazyeddie · Feb 25, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If I remember correctly, Crusher was the young cadet on 'intern mission training but active at times as well', right? IIRC, then he is like an annoying mosquito bite. How serious could we take the crew and mission of the Enterprise in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', when they have baby boys on board who aren't even shaving yet? Posted by ZenGalacticore</DIV>Or children of any kind.  That was was one of the most annoying things about TNG: the idea of people raising families on a military vessel, how preposterous!  But I suppose they couldn't justify Wesley's presence unless they created some pretext for having him on the ship.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ZenGalacticore · Feb 25, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Or children of any kind.  That was was one of the most annoying things about TNG: the idea of people raising families on a military vessel, how preposterous!  But I suppose they couldn't justify Wesley's presence unless they created some pretext for having him on the ship.  Posted by crazyeddie</DIV> Yep. Having the wife and kids along for the ride was one of many things that ruined TNG IMO. So much for 'boldly going where no man has gone before...' It made the whole venture seem less dangerous and hazardous, and therefore less exciting. And with warp drive and the ability to zip around a 5,000 light-year radius of space in 'no time', what's the point of bringing the kids?It makes you wonder if they wrote all that in to try and capture the youth audience. How asinine is that? The Original Series captured the youth audience just fine, if I can make such an understatement. When you're a kid, you want to be like Kirk or Scotty, not some velvet-antlered, baby-faced cadet.It's the same thing George Lucas did with his 'Episode I' in the Star Wars franchise. They should have begun 'Episode I' when Aniken was 25 years-old, not 8. Again, when you're a kid, you identify more with thirty-something Han Solo, that's who you want to be, that's who you admire! Not some little kid who can beat all the adults at everything. The original Star Wars appealed to an incredibly wide and diversified audience, the newer ones appeal mostly to children.Same with Star Trek. Star Trek TOS has wide appeal the world over and has been translated, IIRC, in over 20 languages, or something like that. And is syndicated in over a 130 countries. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ZenGalacticore </div>

CalliArcale · Feb 26, 2009

I liked Star Trek:TNG, especially once they got rid of Wesley.Now, the actor's a pretty cool guy -- quite an uber-geek, and his blog is fun to follow.  But the character of Wesley Crusher was, I'm sorry to say it, a Mary Sue, and consequently suffered.  A Mary Sue is a character who is essentially an avatar for the author's fantasies.  The term dates back to ST:TOS fanfiction, from a character actually named Mary Sue who was a brilliant musician, able to solve any crisis for the crew, and had Kirk fall madly in love with her.  Wesley Eugene Crusher is a thinly-veiled Mary Sue for author Eugene Wesley Roddenberry. Frequent characteristics of Mary Sues include:* unusual expertise in multiple areas* genius or other extraordinary natural gifts * expertise above their age and/or station* seeming invulnerability due to plot powers* fabulously popular * inability to do wrong in the eyes of his/her peers (and when they *do* actually do wrong, they tend to get off very lightly with a major emphasis on how terrible they feel about it) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

sentrynox · May 5, 2009

Re: Why "Star Trek The Next Generation" is awful

STNG was worst than Star Trek Voyager, but I stopped looking at any Star Trek when in one episode of STV I did count sub space distortion occuring 7 times to explain something not understood...
What a bummer, I mean that not even entertainment anymore.

:arrow: Actually all SCIFI series and movies seems to miss the point, when it comes to space faring concept. Babylon 5 was maybe the greatest representation, but even if it is not the case, it was much better written than all the other series combined!

ZenGalacticore · Jul 26, 2009

Why "Star Trek the Next Generation" is Awful

ZenGalacticore":p753ujmf said:
It's awful because all they ever do is sit around and talk away the episode. Their technology is sooooo superior, that they don't ever have to worry about anything, even those humanoid aliens that look like post-hydrogen-bomb-world war-III Ross Perots. (Remember Ross Perot, with his big ears? "Hey Bill!, you don't stomp around in the pig sty barefoot!!!")And God forbid that Captain Picard ever gets into a fight, or gets laid, or does anything other than sit down and talk with his officers and 'the Counselor' (nice boobs on her though), about how to bore the audience to death.And it's obvious that Commander Riker is the illegitimate son of Captain Pike. I mean come on, he acts just like him. One can easily see Riker saying to an alien while he's holding a phaser to the said alien's head: "You know what I think? I think that this micro-anti-matter-power-pack-phaser is working just fine and that you're trying to put the illusion in my head that it is mal-functioning!! Well, what do you say I try my theory out on your *#&!%ing head!???If only TNG was that exciting.Oh and, don't forget, the token black guy with a con-founded twentieth-century automobile air filter on his face who is also blind. Isn't it enough that he's an engineer and he's black? No. He has to be an African...American?(heck, I don't know if he's American or not, it is after all the 24th Century. But from his accent, I'd say he's from Indiana, or thereabouts.) But they felt the need to make him blind AND black AND put an air filter on his face!!! If I were a black man, the bad story lines aside, I would have been seriously offended by that alone.And 'Data'? Ok look, Data's cool. I actually like him. He's probably the best character in the whole rotten play. But if he's so smart, why do we need real humans in the first place? Yeah, I know the storyline: The guy who designed and built Data is dead, or gone, or trapped in the 10th M-Theory Dimension. No one knows how to make another 'Data'. Of course, with all their "invulnerable" technology, they can't just freeze or 'switch-off' the pale sickly bastard and analyze his constituent parts and reproduce the pasty faced android. And if the writers had any talent, they would've done that and perhaps made a few hot fembots(whether pale, tan. red, yellow, black, who cares?) Show some T & A, ya homos!!!And that Whoopi Goldberg bartender character? With the well-endowed counselor[Troi], who the hell needs a psychological therapist bartender on a 24th Century Starship?Good God!!! Awful Science-Fiction!!Your thoughts?

Okay. I'm bringing this back so that R-1 and others will read it. Keep in mind that the introduction, while from the heart, was obviously intended as cynical satire and humor. Okay?

And I have to say, that all the TNGers out there were quite polite and tolerant of my acidic opinion on the series. ZenGalacticore

jim48 · Jul 27, 2009

Re: Star Trek TNG revisited

I don't recall if I've touched on Star Trek music here or not, but our friend CrazyEddie sure knows his stuff on that! Music was one of the strengths of the original show, and they were blessed with many talented composers. I think on YouTube you can find Legends of Television, oral history interviews with everyone in the business from James Arness to Bob Newhart. Also producers, network execs, writers, composers. A lot of the Star Trek folks were interviewed. Check it out. The original show had a sexy theme, no doubt about it, thanks to Roddenberry. Alexander Courage composed a different theme for "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that was rejected. Next Generation was Jerry Goldsmith's theme to the first Star Trek movie. :| Deep Space Nine was a very majestic piece. Voyager was also majestic, and got Goldsmith an Emmy. I haven't seen much of Enterprise to comment on its theme. My point is that the themes for all of the follow-on Star Trek shows are perfect, with the original being an oddity because Roddenberry, to quote Alexander Courage in a Legends of Television interview "...was a sex maniac." He was. Soprano Dinah Washington did the chores for the second year Star Trek theme. It was a sexy theme by contrast to what later composers brought to Star Trek.

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