4th (possible) CLV problem: it may turn into a sperm whale

[tap_sa]

I'd like the readers to contemplate on the possibility of CLV turning into a sperm whale and I make a claim that not only is this possible but probable risk.<br /><br />There's a well documented (both written and filmed) mid-flight event of nuclear missile instantaneously turning into a giant, living, thinking sperm whale. From this we can deduct that nuclear missiles <i>can</i> unexpectedly do so. The existing documentation doesn't specify the type of propulsion in said nuclear missile but we can relatively safely assume that it was propelled by solid motor, based on the fact that all terrestial nuclear missile systems either are or are being converted to solid rockets.<br /><br />Furthermore there is no single evidence of any liquid fueled rocket propelled vehicle ever been turned into a sperm whale. This despite the record of numerous, long lasting flights of such devices. Solid rockets tend to be of military nature involving very short flight time before hitting destinated target or self destruct. From this we can deduct that the <i>probability</i> of rocket propelled vehicle turning into a giant sperm whale at any time during flight is considerably higher among solid rockets than liquid versions.<br /><br />To summarize, I claim that CLV will likely turn into a giant sperm whale after lift-off because:<br /><br />a) it is solid fueled like (probably) the nuclear missile that did so<br /><br />b) the flight time of said first stage is up to two minutes and more, contrary to most short lived solid rocket flights. (Prolonged exposure to the conditions in which the transformation can happen increases the probability it happens!)<br /><br />c) Unlike most boosters so far the aft end of CLV is thinner than front section, a shape similar to sperm whales. I acknowledge that this reasoning is somewhat intuitive, based on assumption that the probability of transformation is further increased if the shapes of objects before and after it resemble each other.<br /><br /><br />It's needles

 

[najab]

It doesn't matter if the CLV is liquid or solid - the flight time is the same, therefore the probablility of it turning into a sperm whale is the same. In fact, would <b>more</b> likely to turn into a sperm whale if it was a LH2/LOX powered vechicle, since the propellant tanks represent thousands of gallons of water - and sperm whales are 68% water.<br /><br />(Now you're supposed to ignore this reasoned post and go on to repeat your initial post over and over - without actually reading anything posted in reply).

 

[bobw]

How can those NASA FOOLS even THINK about using something as DANGEROUS as that? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[darkenfast]

It's because they're in league with the large whaling corporations.

 

[SpaceKiwi]

There is however a MID RANGE AQUATIC SPECIES, which I will refuse to name, that has been tested in REAL flight conditions to my satisfaction. This should ensure the complete safety of CREW, PAYLOAD and the TOASTED SANDWICH MACHINE because it can be stopped prior to T-0 if it has error which might cost BILLIONS if it launch and DESTROY pad.<br /><br />I will argue the REVERSE of this in about SEVEN posts time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[strandedonearth]

Nah, won't happen, there is no such thing as an infinite improbability generator to create such an occurence. Er, wait, I can't prove that one doesn't exist.<br /><br />But it's equally probable that it will turn into a potted petunia.

 

[silylene old]

The pogoing of the spermataceti in the whale's hollow skull will rip its internal organs to pieces. But that is the least of problems.<br /><br />The massive g-forces of the launch means that NASA can't send on the moon whale-scientists and whale-experts that may explore the moon surface using their specific (multi decades) experience... but only some former-top-whale-guns<br /><br />The real problem is not "high G"... top-whale-guns with inflatable suits can survive... the main problem is that "high-G" mean top-whale-guns-only crews for CEV... that mean dolphins-only (not experienced whales) for moon explorations... only dolphin-moonrovers... <br /><br />New PAL ramps have not been tested to protect the delicate whale blowhole. If it is not perperly shielded, the Bernoulli forces of the supersonic windstream will preven the sperm whale from inhaling.<br /><br />Finally, there is the big risk of ambergris clogging the exhaust orifice. This has not been properly modeled. Until NASA invents a proper laxative to remove ambergris without clogging the exhaust orifice, the mission is doomed. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[formulaterp]

This is what you get when you leave space exploration to government bureaucracies. We would be much better served to allow companies like WhaleX or T/Whale to develop the CLV. I have much more faith in the alt.mammal.aquatic industry than NAYSAY. <br /><br />Can't wait for the first flight of Beluga 1.

 

[spacefire]

I think there's an even higher probability of the CLV turning into a lemon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

There's always someone looking to meringue the other posters.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

I will now post something vague about the scientific method, and the value of having some numbers rather than vague suppositions to base highly definitive statements on.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[josh_simonson]

>c) Unlike most boosters so far the aft end of CLV is thinner than front section, a shape similar to sperm whales. I acknowledge that this reasoning is somewhat intuitive, based on assumption that the probability of transformation is further increased if the shapes of objects before and after it resemble each other. <br /><br />Perhaps it'll turn into a narwhal instead then?

 

[tomnackid]

As usual DARPA is way ahead of NASA in the the area of RLWs (Reusable Launch Whales). This blurry photo taken at the Air Force's Groom Lake facility (a.k.a. "Area 51") clearly shows that the US Dept. of Defense has been operating TACs (Trans Atmospheric Cetaceans) for some time now. This startling revelation explains the sightings of large triangular UFOs accompanied by haunting low pitched cries all over the American Southwest. <br /><br />Air Force Captain A. Hab, director of the Groom Lake facility when pressed for a comment merely shouted "From hell's heart I stab at thee!" and stormed off.

 

[tomnackid]

HERE is the pic.

 

[drwayne]

Was that based on the pioneering work done with the Super Guppies?<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[nolirogari]

"You're mocking me aren't you?"<br /><br />Buzz Lightyear- Toy Story I<br /><br />Seems to fit. Odd how even a newbee like me knows what this is getting at. <br /><br />Love it.

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Was that based on the pioneering work done with the Super Guppies?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />What? You think the Super Guppy is actually an aircraft, Doc? Haven't you seen them roll it down the end of the SLF by the ocean after a delivery and stick the big fire-hose in the front?<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

Is this related to the pregnant guppy by any chance?<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

Andif that were true, would an abort be a "pregnant pause"?<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Is this related to the pregnant guppy by any chance?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />You know, grasping and incorporating new information into your knowledge base so easily is really not in keeping with the spirit of this thread!<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

LOL! You got me Tex!<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

Seems like Mexico managed to put a whale (not sure of the variety) on the moon recently.<br /><br />Rather cheaply too.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

This whole system will be the most EXPENSIVE whale transport EVER devloped by NAYSAY, and either congress or the next libertarian president will just CANCEL this fiasco!!!<br /><br />So there, take THAT!!<br />

 

[dougbaker]

No one made any insulting comments about fishermen, marine biologists, and navy frogmen (frog people)?<br /><br />I am shocked. <br />Of course each of them know nothing about sea life or whales or the ocean.<br />

 

[teije]

Ah, but think of the wonderful smell of nicely barbequed spermwhalemeat that has just re-entered. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />Incidently, re-entering spermwhales give a whole new meaning to the word lifting-body.