Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

bigbrain · Jun 22, 2005

I wrote: "You surely at school have made some perspectives. Well, if you have to make the perspective of a cube, you must first draw the horizon line, the virtual line that stay at the height of your eyes". You wrote: "I'm not sure what that has to do with this picture. I'll admit that the horizon looks close, but also remember we're dealing with a body only 3000 miles wide with a vaccum for an atmosphere. So naturally the horizon will appear closer". For human eye a sphere of 3000 miles shows the horizon line almost like the earth. You wrote: "I asked you for proof and you provided a picture of Buzz Aldrin on the Moon and some mumbo-jumbo about the horizon moving up to meet you. I ask you again for proof of your original statement that the pictures from the moon are obviously fake". You say "some mumbo-jumbo" because you do not know the perspective. Study the perspective and you will understand why this image is completely faked. Without talking about the lunar module shadow, too close to horizon: a few yards and the lunar module can fall off in the darkness of universe.

arit · Jun 22, 2005

bigbrain: What about the snake on the blue flower? The perspective there seemed OK, and there were equations to prove it. Regards, arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal </div>

huey_pilot · Jun 22, 2005

I still don't know why you don't think Americans walked on the moon or sent rovers and probes to Mars.

petepan · Jun 22, 2005

brainiac said Who keeps silent, consents. Well i tell you what, i'm not consenting to any of this trash, and that all it is, trash. You have not proved anything except how well your caps lock button works. Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE that all this is faked. But you won't because you can't. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

telfrow · Jun 22, 2005

For human eye a sphere of 3000 miles shows the horizon line almost like the earth. A definitive statement, which begs the question: how many 3000 mile spheres with vacum atmospheres have you visited, bigbrain? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

arit · Jun 22, 2005

Big Brain: You seem very knowledgeable in perspective. I would like to ask you something then: Do equilateral triangular orthogonal prisms occur naturally? Regards arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal </div>

votefornimitz · Jun 22, 2005

This looks real enough to believe, i mean i can't taste it or anything. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves... </div>

Leovinus · Jun 22, 2005

To me, it looks like the LEM is next to a tiny mound upon which the LEM's shadow is falling. The true faraway horizon is beyond the mound out of view. Now, where is your proof that it is faked? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

huey_pilot · Jun 22, 2005

He doesn't have any, thats why he always posts in caps and/or changes the subject.

votefornimitz · Jun 22, 2005

Behold Bigbrain, patient #1562 at The Atlanta Asylum, doing 20 years for breaking into the NASA warehouse and hijaking the crawler, a chase broke out, and bigbrain was barley caught. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves... </div>

frodo1008 · Jun 22, 2005

I am now truly, truly ANGRY!! No, not so much as with this irrational child who goes by the name of "Bigbrain". No, it you as a moderator that I am so angry with!!! I don't know what you call the pages at the bottom of the thread , so I will call them pages. On page 12 at the top there is one of "Bigbrain's" posts in which he calls another poster an "idiot". On the very next post he uses the word (as he used this word in several other posts when referring to the Lunar Excursion Module), I will not degrade these boards by using this word, but you can guess "C--p" being the word. Children have access to these boards. Is this the kind of language that we now allow on these boards now?? "Of course, on the very next page some moderator took it upon himself to censor my own post with the deleted name-calling thing. I really don't mind this so much, after all I really don't wish to waste anymore of my own time and effort on someone who is obviously an internet "Troll". If that too strong a term for the moderators?? Perhaps I could go over to free space and start a thread about this individuals obvious anti-American stance? I am more than certain that if he were to tangle with the likes of hicup, grok and the other very conservative Republican defenders of the honor of the US that you would really have a brawl on your hands? I also tried sending a "Contact US" to SDC several days ago, and have received no reply as of yet. So what can actually be done to end this complete waste of bandwidth?????????

Leovinus · Jun 22, 2005

There's a lot of insults flying around in this thread. I'm trying to keep it on a professional level and discuss facts and avoid name-calling. I probably could do a lot more cleaning of ad-hominems in this thread as well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

frodo1008 · Jun 22, 2005

It isn't just the name-calling that I am referring to here. That is actually one of the least of the problems. It is many things. The most blatant is the use of the word "C--p". As I pointed out children could have access to these threads!! Heck, I even use the relatively innocuous "Heck" instead of "H--l" when sometime I imagine that "Heck" makes me sound like the kind of backwoods character that I am definitely not!! Yet you let this character get away with "C--p"!! I do believe this is a direct TOS violation, is it not? You moderators banned hicup and zavvy for certainly no more than that!! You know that I do get aggravated by this kind of "Moon Hoax" kind of junk put forth by the "intellectually challenged". After all, having actually been one of the some 250-400 thousand workers on Apollo I do think that I have earned a certain respect in my opposition to these people!! If SDC would wish to retain the posting and space history skills of the likes of "shuttle_guy", "propforce", myself, and others of like disposition and knowledge then I really think that you need to start to do your jobs and "moderate" these types. This even goes to some degree to forums such as this one. I haven't even started on the anti-American aspects of those persons posting yet. Maybe, I could leave that up to some of the far more sarcastic conservative posters on these boards!!

votefornimitz · Jun 22, 2005

|Child accessing thread| <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves... </div>

frodo1008 · Jun 22, 2005

What???

telfrow · Jun 22, 2005

See: http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=suggestions&Number=253410&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart= Nimitz, leave that stuff in the other threads, okay? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

huey_pilot · Jun 22, 2005

He was saying that he was a child and that he is accessing this thread.

rubicondsrv · Jun 22, 2005

Please answer these questions: If the moon landings were fake what were the saturn Vs used for?, or do you think that the launches were fake too? Where did all the money spent on the moon program go? What about mercury and gemini were they fake too? Also remember the larger a conspircy gets the harder it is to keep secret. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Leovinus · Jun 22, 2005

Before we digress into the Saturn Vs, can we all just address that photo he offered as "proof" of fakery? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

frodo1008 · Jun 22, 2005

I will make no more posts on this utterly useless waste of my time and SDC's space!! I have said all that I intend to say. To say that I am bitterly disappointed in both the moderators and SDC is to put it very mildly. The only consolation that I can see is that the really serious posters have done what I probably should have done in the fist place, that is to avoid this kind of "intelligence disadvantaged internet Troll started thread" in the first place!!!!!!!!

huey_pilot · Jun 23, 2005

I found this pretty interesting http://www.marsquestonline.org/tour/welcome/flytomars/

Leovinus · Jun 23, 2005

Some of us like debating the easily debunked claims. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bigbrain · Jun 23, 2005

I wrote: “If you are on the beach and look at the horizon, you notice that the horizon line moves in synchrony with the height of your eyes. If you go on the tall chair of bathing-attendant, also the horizon line moves up at the height of your eyes. If you go on a hill and look at the sea, you notice that also the horizon moves up at the height of your eyes. Right?” You wrote: ”Wrong. The higher you go, the lower the horizon goes”. 100 or 200 meters of height are nothing in comparison with the extension of the horizon. For our view things do not change or change in an insignificant way. You wrote: “I'll admit that the horizon looks close, but also remember we're dealing with a body only 3000 miles wide with a vacuum for an atmosphere. So naturally the horizon will appear closer”. Since I have never been on the moon (as you however), maybe horizon will appear a little closer. Then I will not persevere with this argument. Try to follow well my reasoning: Have you studied perspective? Well. Now you know the virtual horizon line is at the height of your eyes. If you take a photograph of a cube in front of you, the horizon line is at the height of your camera. Maybe you can not see the horizon because there is a mountain that does not allow you to see it. Nevertheless looking at that image of lunar module, we can discover the height of astronaut camera. We know that astronaut camera was at the height of his chest, that is to say about 1.3 or 1.4 meters. Right? Right as Mars is not a cucumber. Joining the “feet” of lunar module with rectilinear lines we have found that the height of camera was taller than astronaut helmet. I HOPE YOU ARE ENOUGH INTELLIGENT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IMAGE IS FAKED BECAUSE THE IDIOT PRODUCER HAS TAKEN THAT PHOTOGRAPH OF LUNAR MODULE AT A HEIGHT OF 2 METERS OR MORE TO ENLARGE THE MOON SURFACE, IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE ASTRONAU

yevaud · Jun 23, 2005

Have you ever heard of a concept known as "terrain?" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

yevaud · Jun 23, 2005

Olyv Oyl is flat. The moon is not. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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