Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/apo11.htm Herein, you will discover such magical things as landing radar, and steering rockets. As well as software capable of landing the Apollo LEM. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Re: Apollo LEM Computers See: http://klabs.org/richcontent/Misc_Content/AGC_And_History/AGC_History.htm and... http://www.clavius.org/techcomp.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Yevaud: Woof. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

Yo, Dawg!!! "Snoopy Dawgie Dawg." <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

BTW...methinks this may be one of our "freinds" pulling our collective legs. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

If so, he's off his feed. Edit: Oh, hey - Conspiracy Theories Yes, a valuable site it 'tis. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Yep, just replace the word Apollo with...<img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

bigbrain · Jun 19, 2005

Hey, try to reason with intelligence: You know that you must land on the moon with this ugly piece of metal: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001144.jpg and then you train with this old crock: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-000215.jpg Then you are hopeless idiots. You went to the moon without testing lunar module on the earth. Do not say these big craps.

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Then you are hopeless idiots. Do not say these big craps. Temper, temper. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Everything you always wanted to know about the LLRV* (*But were afraid to ask) http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=1soiwy5fgps4k?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=LLRV&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc03a <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

The "prototype" to which the hoax advocates refer was not a prototype at all, but two classes of training vehicles known as the Lunar Landing Research Vehicles (LLRV) and the more advanced Lunar Landing Training Vehicles (LLTV). These vehicles included a jet engine to support five-sixths of their airborne weight, a pair of rocket engines that simulated the LM's descent engine, and small jets that mimicked the LM's attitude control thrusters. The Apollo astronauts trained in the LLRV and LLTV to learn the skills necessary to maneuver the actual LM. During one test flight, Neil Armstrong was forced to eject when the LLRV's helium pressurization system for the steering jets failed, causing the LLRV to become unstable and crash. Despite this incident, the LLRV and LLTV flew hundreds of successful flights. The LLRV and LLTV were very different from the LM and the "untested" LM was far from untested. Every component of the LM was tested over and over again during its development. Furthermore, the LM was tested in space unmanned during the Apollo 5 mission and manned during the Apollo 9 mission. Apollo 10 tested the LM in lunar orbit and performed everything but the landing itself. The next test flight, Apollo 11, performed the first lunar landing. Testing continued during Apollo 12 as the ability of the LM to make a pinpoint landing was demonstrated. The LM flew successfully to the moon because of the hard work of thousands of workers over many years during the design, development and construction of the spacecraft. From: http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm And BTW, your arguments are all discussed here <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />. LLTV information can be found here: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/a17-lltv.h <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

bigbrain · Jun 19, 2005

Please go to: http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/LLRV/HTML/EM-0019-05.html and see carefully that video. LLRV is undoubtedly a nice aircraft. It causes a stir because of its finest aerodynamics and above all owing to its fantastic cockpit. But I have not seen the take off, instead you can see very well the pilot that drives it by means of one change gear lever (Ford, I think). It does not seem the pilot avails himself of any computer and drives his flying bike also without hands. How wonderful faked sight. About the chief argument (you are not on Mars), nobody has still said how you can drive your probes towards Mars. Because after one kilometer you can no longer see the probe going to Mars. You have no telescope that can see it in its travel of 500 million kilometers in the darkness of universe. Hubble can't see like human eyes, it "sees" only lights coming from distant places of universe. You can't see Mars, you can't see your probe, but magically your probe lands on Mars attracted by its perfume of carbon dioxide. With compliments.

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

How wonderful faked sight. About the chief argument (you are not on Mars), nobody has still said how you can drive your probes towards Mars. Because after one kilometer you can no longer see the probe going to Mars. You have no telescope that can see it in its travel of 500 million kilometers in the darkness of universe. Hubble can't see like human eyes, it "sees" only lights coming from distant places of universe. You can't see Mars, you can't see your probe, but magically your probe lands on Mars attracted by its perfume of carbon dioxide. Nope, I didn't provide specific explanations and rebuttals to that. Nope. Just didn't happen. Btw, you've just repeated yourself verbatim. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

But I have not seen the take off, instead you can see very well the pilot that drives it by means of one change gear lever (Ford, I think). Uh, yeah. Ford gear shift lever. Right. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Leovinus · Jun 19, 2005

I suggest that you build yourself a big dish antenna and point it at Mars and receive the transmissions yourself. Do it now while the probes are still operating. Don't come back in 30 years after the probes are all dead. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bigbrain · Jun 19, 2005

Maybe I am a madman, maybe I live in an illusory world. But is this image real? http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20050610a/sunset_a489_gamma_2sub_800_br.jpg Do you not notice anything strange? Try to guess. Look carefully at this image: http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20050520a/lookout_iff_cypsu_A_byte-A477R1_br.jpg Do you not notice anything strange? Try to guess. I will tell you later.

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

But is this image real? Yes. Do you not notice anything strange? No. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

You and Extrasense should get together...you could have a rousing good time - discussing illusions, hallucinations, and rocks... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

bigbrain · Jun 19, 2005

You wrote: "The fundamental basis of such delusions is the denial of reality. Which as you so well point out, rather ignore the whole of NASA, the ESA, the Russian space program, and the entire field of astronomy, including the tens of thousands of members of the Planetary Society and all other amateur organizations!" Also God does not exist, nevertheless more than 2 billion people believe in him.

odysseus145 · Jun 19, 2005

It looks to me like you're just trying rile people up. Well, you probably won't recieve too much opposition on that last statement. BTW, counting muslims, it's a little over 3 billion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

It looks to me like you're just trying rile people up. That's it, in a nutshell. He's here to troll. And, as I said earlier, I'm becoming more and more convinced he's one of our "friends," pulling a few legs. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

votefornimitz · Jun 19, 2005

Where is the evidence? What about the moon site, where is it, This is nothing more than a baseless claim. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves... </div>

bigbrain · Jun 19, 2005

Is your real name Alot Ofcrap?

telfrow · Jun 19, 2005

Is your real name Alot Ofcrap? Temper...temper. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jun 19, 2005

Odd...I'd say that your username bespeaks of overwhelming arrogance. IMHO. "Arrogance and stupidty, all in one neat package. How efficient." --Londo Molari <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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