Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

[votefornimitz]

Post deleted by VoteforNimitz <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Leave it in the other thread. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

You wrote:<br />"Arrogance and stupidty, all in one neat package. How efficient." <br /><br />Unfortunately you have not noticed my humour.<br /><br />

 

[yevaud]

Possibly. I'm not terribly humorous today. And I'm one of the SDC "Court Jesters," so you *know* I'm having a bad day... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Unfortunately you have not noticed my humour. </font><br /><br />Oh, <i>that's</i> what it is. <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">bigbrain - About the chief argument (you are not on Mars), nobody has still said how you can drive your probes towards Mars. <br />Because after one kilometer you can no longer see the probe going to Mars. You have no telescope that can see it in its travel of 500 million kilometers in the darkness of universe. Hubble can't see like human eyes, it "sees" only lights coming from distant places of universe. <br />You can't see Mars, you can't see your probe, but magically your probe lands on Mars attracted by its perfume of carbon dioxide. <br />With compliments. </font><br /><br />bigbrain, here is how it is done. I will give you an example you can test yourself.<br /><br /><u>Tools Needed</u><br />Baseball<br />A one or two story house or other such structure that you can not see over that isn't any more than 20 feet high.<br />A bucket<br /><br /><b>Setup</b><br />Place the bucket about 10 to 15 feet away from the base of the house or structure that you can not see over. Take the baseball and move to the other side of the house/structure, out of view of the bucket.<br /><br /><b>Experiment</b><br />Throw the ball over the obscuring structure. Try to make the baseball land inside the bucket. If you can control the angle of your throw and the trajectory by varying your power, you can make it land in the bucket.<br /><br />That's it.<br /><br />Newton's ideas work just as well on Earth as they do off of it. Of course, until you start getting relativistic. Even then, they're good enough to get us where we need to go.<br /><br />Given enough information, we could launch a baseball from Earth, have it leave the solar system and be fairly assured, barring impact from unknown bodies, that we could have it end it's journey somewhere in particular on the other side of the Galaxy. Of course, it might take awhile....<br /><br />How do you think artillery is computed? Artillerymen can't see their objective and don't always have spotters. How do they hit those t <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pathfinder_01]

I am confused here… Drive isn’t quite the correct word for how a probe can travel to the moon or mars. They are not driven there like a car but shoot off in the correct direction like a bullet. Unlike a bullet a rocket can perform a mid-corse correction, but drive is not the correct word. Probes pretty much coast most of the way to a planet. It is sorta like droping a bomb. If you know the hieght and speed of the airplane, then you can caculate where the bomb will land. Or if you know where a target is you can fire a gun at it and hit it without having to drive the projectile to the target(or even visualy see the target)

 

[bigbrain]

To be able to go on Mars is enormously difficult. It is not child's play. It is not a baseball game.<br />Nasa website, with "Nasa for kids", "Nasa for students", "Nasa for educators" and so on, tries to delude new generations that it is child's play to go on Mars or on the moon.<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"Newton's ideas work just as well on Earth as they do off of it. Of course, until you start getting relativistic. Even then, they're good enough to get us where we need to go". <br /><br />All sciences are a more or less big simplification of the reality. Moreover it is often very difficult to apply discoveries of science in the real world.<br /><br />pathfinder_01 wrote:<br />"It is sorta like droping a bomb".<br /><br />Not at all. <br />You must climb over gravity forces of the earth and you must be able to hook your probe to gravity forces of Mars.<br /><br />I am sorry but, during your attack to Saddam, you were not able even to hit his royal palace with your intelligent bombs. <br /><br />Newton's laws are intelligent but we still have not technology to put them into practice.<br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[alokmohan]

Good one.

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">You must climb over gravity forces of the earth and you must be able to hook your probe to gravity forces of Mars. <br />I am sorry but, during your attack to Saddam, you were not able even to hit his royal palace with your intelligent bombs. <br />Newton's laws are intelligent but we still have not technology to put them into practice. </font><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

What does it mean "clue"?

 

[spacechump]

It means you have absolutely no clue about the real world binbrain. If you think you're actually intelligent you aren't. Sorry to break it to you Peter Griffin.

 

[vogon13]

Always sad when a microcephalic gets their diagnosis here.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[spacechump]

<i>You must climb over gravity forces of the earth and you must be able to hook your probe to gravity forces of Mars.<br />I am sorry but, during your attack to Saddam, you were not able even to hit his royal palace with your intelligent bombs. Newton's laws are intelligent but we still have not technology to put them into practice. </i><br /><br />Ok, this HAS to be a joke. No one is this stupid and proud enough to admit it!

 

[telfrow]

I agree. Someone is pulling our leg. They <i>have</i> to be. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

<i>Newton's laws are intelligent but we still have not technology to put them into practice. </i><br /><br />One of the most fantastic feats of putting Newton's laws to work were the "Grand Tours" of Voyager 1 and Voyager 2: <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

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[Leovinus]

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[Leovinus]

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[Leovinus]

And *that* was with 1970s technology! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

<i> .... </i><br /><br />Thats my line! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

Two questions for you: <br /><br />1) Do you think we have sufficient mastery of Newton's laws to place a satellite in geosynchronous orbit 22,500 miles high?<br /><br />2) Do you have a satellite dish attached to your house? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

In your opinion, is this image real?<br />

 

[Leovinus]

I wonder why you even need to ask. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kauboi]

Is your brain real? in your opinion of course.