Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

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kmarinas86

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<font color="yellow">This method of posting the same links on different posts on the same thread is strangely familiar to a poster which name starts with k and ends with marinas86. Could they possibly be related?</font><br /><br />Not at all. Your means of discerning corellation are flawed here. I believe we went to the moon and the Moon hoax theories are ludicrious in their ignorance, for I can identify that ignorance by knowing how their psuedo-explanations are flawed. It is quite obvious that probes have been sent to Mars, that the ISS exists, and also satellites, which by the way, there's three satellite dishes on the roof above me. "Americans" are not on Mars, per se, but we do have robotic rovers on the Martian surface.
 
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telfrow

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Temper, temper...<br /><br />No need to shout.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>
 
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bigbrain

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It would be as if you said:<br />"I can fly a Cessna, then I will be able to fly a jet aircraft".<br />Do you reason this way in USA?
 
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huey_pilot

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Sorry man, your wrong. Americans were on the moon, and we did send spacecraft to Mars.<br /><br />Here, some info about the AGC<br /><br />http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/A/Ap/Apollo_Guidance_Computer.htm<br /><br />BigBrain, your research is very sloppy.<br /><br />Here, this will change your mind<br /><br />http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm<br /><br />Its more like this, if you can fly a Boeing 767 then you can fly a Boeing 777.<br /><br /><br />EDIT: "Do you reason this way in USA?"<br /><br />Aha, your not from the USA that is why you don't believe. You finally answered my question.<br />
 
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bigbrain

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http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm <br />Only a lot of craps. <br /><br />"It would be as if you said: <br />"I can fly a Cessna, then I will be able to fly a jet aircraft". <br />Do you reason this way in USA?" <br />TRY TO ANSWER WITH INTELLIGENCE, PLEASE.
 
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kmarinas86

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<font color="yellow">"It would be as if you said: <br />"I can fly a Cessna, then I will be able to fly a jet aircraft". <br />Do you reason this way in USA?" <br />TRY TO ANSWER WITH INTELLIGENCE, PLEASE.</font><br /><br />I do not recall making this leap of illogic when inside the USA.<br /><br />I am not a pilot, so I have never been able to make such a statement. This question is gibberish to me.
 
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Leovinus

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Are you saying that the only training Neil Armstrong got for flying the LEM was in the "flying bedstead"? And you do know that he was a test pilot, right? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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a_lost_packet_

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Bigbrain, you haven't answered my question yet.<br /><br />Answer this: <br /><br />Do you believe that there are any man-made objects (satellites, ISS, Hubble) in space? <br /><br /><font color="yellow">TRY TO ANSWER WITH INTELLIGENCE, PLEASE. </font>/safety_wrapper> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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a_lost_packet_

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<font color="yellow">Bigbrain - Are you totally idiot or do you simulate to be idiot? </font><br /><br />You would be an expert judge of that I presume?<br /><br /><br />Be careful, you're pushing the limit there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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huey_pilot

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What does flying a Cessna or jet aircraft have to do with flying the LEM?
 
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yevaud

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>"It would be as if you said: <br />"I can fly a Cessna, then I will be able to fly a jet aircraft".<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />No, but on the other hand, the two involve the same medium, and the same skills and expertise. Do you think that all German ME-262 pilots at the end of WWII had to be trained from scratch? Hell, no. In fact, one of the first pilots of that plane was the stunt flyer and test pilot Hanna Reisch - whose entire experience was in propellor-driven aircraft.<br /><br />And I might add, to point out a certain hypocrisy in *your* argument, you are not an Astronaut, nor trained in Aerospace or Space Science, but those facts do not stop you from making statements that require expertise. <br /><br />Speaking of "answering with intelligence." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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shuttle_rtf

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The shuttle fleet is really made of cardboard and launches are done by tricks of the mirror and sound machines.<br /><br />Just thought I'd drop that in. <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" />
 
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huey_pilot

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But what about the huge plumes of smoke and fire? And the ground shaking?
 
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spacechump

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<i>Leovinus wrote:<br />"Yeah, you showed three images from Mars. Cool pictures, aren't they? The technology is absolutely incredible".<br />Softimage is incredible but the artist that has used it is a little idiot. Look again at this image:<br />http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20050610a/sunset_a489_gamma_2sub_800_br.jpg<br />The sun is going down but the big light does not come from it but from a higher place. Our little idiot artist has placed a spot light against the level suface in a wrong way. </i><br /><br />I guess you haven't heard of diffusion either....big surprise there brainiac....<br /><br />http://gallery.maxpower.ca/albums/sunsets/20040913_193139.jpg<br /><br />This comparison photo of a sunset here on earth shows the same effect as the Martian sunset. They are different colors because Mars's atmosphere consists mainly of CO2 instead of nitrogen and oxygen. <br /><br />Edit: Here's another: http://www.ritchietribe.net/gallery/albums/album46/0694_G.jpg
 
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frodo1008

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/* ad hominem and name-calling deleted */ Why people like you are even allowed to discuss such subjects is indeed somewhat beyond my understanding.<br /><br />I will just take and totally distroy just one of your stupid points. We DO NOT HAVE TO SEE A SPACECRAFT GOING TO MARS TO KNOW IT IS ON OR OFF OF TRJECTORY!!!<br /><br />The laws of celestial mechanics work, whether you can understand this very simple fact or not is what is important. Heck, I can not see the side of the moon that is hidden from the Earth. So by your logic there is no proof that the other half of the moon exists!!!<br /><br />Also, even if we can not see the craft, on the craft itself are small telescopes and cameras that can certainly see the stars, and with calculations the craft tnemselves can track their own progress in their journey toward Mars!! If they deviate by enough that they will not arrive at the proper time and space small (very small) rockets, similer to those used in station keeping in communication and other staellites are then used just enough to put the spacecraft back on its planned trajectory!! Is this really too terribly advanced for your thinking here?????<br /><br />Either you are totally ignorant of the basics of the space program or you are just one of the biggest internet "Trolls" it has ever been my displeasure to see on these otherwise useful forums!!!!!
 
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yevaud

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http://www.ilm.com/<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>
 
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bigbrain

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frodo1008 wrote:<br />"Also, even if we can not see the craft, on the craft itself are small telescopes and cameras that can certainly see the stars, and with calculations the craft tnemselves can track their own progress in their journey toward Mars!! If they deviate by enough that they will not arrive at the proper time and space small (very small) rockets, similer to those used in station keeping in communication and other staellites are then used just enough to put the spacecraft back on its planned trajectory!! Is this really too terribly advanced for your thinking here?????"<br /><br />I think you have seen too many science fiction films.<br />If you had this "terribly advanced" technology, you would not make this terribly ugly movie:<br />http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/video/movies/spirit/spirit_90Days90Seconds_160.mov<br /><br />Is Mars only an uninterrupted surface full of stones as far as the horizon?<br />Also a little child can see it is a faked movie made using wide-angle lens to mask the swindle.<br />Or do you have a more intelligent deduction?<br /><br />a_lost_packet_ wrote:<br />"Do you believe that there are any man-made objects (satellites, ISS, Hubble) in space?" <br /><br />If you answer my questions, I will answer yours.<br /><br />Please go again to: <br />http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20050421a/1114044227_4922-1_dd_rad_456-A462R1.gif <br /><br />Look at that picture carefully: <br />It is divided in two parts: a hill above and a perfectly rectilinear surface below. <br />How can perfectly rectilinear surfaces exist on Mars?<br />DO YOU NOT SEE THE LEVEL SURFACE DOES NOT CONNECT TO THE HILL IN A RIGHT WAY?<br />ARE YOU BLIND IN ONE EYE? <br />No one of you has the bravery to tell me: "you
 
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spacechump

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<i>Look at that picture carefully:<br />It is divided in two parts: a hill above and a perfectly rectilinear surface below.<br />How can perfectly rectilinear surfaces exist on Mars?<br />DO YOU NOT SEE THE LEVEL SURFACE DOES NOT CONNECT TO THE HILL IN A RIGHT WAY?<br />ARE YOU BLIND IN ONE EYE?<br />No one of you has the bravery to tell me: "you are right".<br />Because you are gullible people. You believe in spite of every evidence. </i><br /><br />Wow...just wow. Brain that isn't a single gif movie. That is showing two frames. Each frame has a gif movie of a dustdevil in it. It is not one image of an area! That should be clear to a fifth grader! Are you saying you don't have the mental faculties of a fifth grader?
 
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bigbrain

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Nasa writes:<br />"This movie clip shows a dust devil scooting across a plain inside Gusev Crater on Mars as seen from the NASA rover Spirit's hillside vantage point during the rover's 456th martian day, or sol (April 15, 2005). The individual images were taken about 20 seconds apart by Spirit's navigation camera. Each frame in this movie has the raw image on the top half and a processed version in the lower half that enhances contrast and removes stationary objects, producing an image that is uniformly gray except for features that change from frame to frame. <br />The movie results from a new way of watching for dust devils, which are whirlwinds that hoist dust from the surface into the air. Spirit began seeing dust devils in isolated images in March 2005. At first, the rover team relied on luck. It might catch a dust devil in an image or it might miss by a few minutes. Using the new detection strategy, the rover takes a series of 21 images. Spirit sends a few of them to Earth, as well as little thumbnail images of all of them. Team members use the 3 big images and all the small images to decide whether the additional big images have dust devils. For this movie, they specifically told Spirit to send back frames that they knew had dust devils". <br /><br />This bright idea is really ingenious, clever, brilliant.<br /><br />This is an incredible work of a misunderstood genius.<br /><br />Have you spent billion dollars to see dust devils in a perfect way?<br /><br />With compliments, but you need a psychiatrist because also a little child can see those dust devils are faked.<br /><br />You are so intelligent but you never understand that you must use 30 frames per second to make nice movies.<br /><br />Those dust devils look all except dust hoisting from the ground.<br /><br />You are really incredible jokers.<br />
 
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