Avatar sequel(s): any story suggestions?

[brandbll]

I haven't seen the movie yet.

But, from what I gather, most "in the know" don't believe it's anything special. It's a standard entertainment piece with lots of action and special effects and doesn't do anything particularly interesting. IOW, a few hours of "eye candy" and that's about it.

I'll watch it with an open mind and pay attention to the special effects to see what I can see. But, I don't expect to be "blown away" by anything.

As far as hopes of a sequel, I don't see how they could reasonably be expected to do one. Avatar appeared to come into its own on a hype-storm of special effects and 3D wizardry. A "sequel" sort of needs more of a storyline to it that people are interested in. Then again, I haven't seen it so... I am not making comments from a knowledgeable position.

I just saw it for the first time. I have no idea how the hell it would be possible to make a sequel, especially considering the storyline in this one was so lame. This movie is all about the graphics, that's it. The whole premise of having some double sized humans with stone aged technology fighting a futuristic real sized human military force is just plain stupid. Yes, the avatar people are twice the size of a normal human, but that doesn't make up for only possessing stone age weapons. Think about it, we wiped normal sized natives off the planet with merely muskets and metal swords. These humans in Avatar have stuff that could wipe out today's militaries. Although, i must say that according to Avatar the future of human winshield making has devolved to the point where they must be just using normal sheets of glass that we today pick up at the local hardware sotre....

 

[CalliArcale]

Well, it was established in the story that there was an aversion on the part of the humans back home to using violence against the natives. This was a mining expedition, after all, not a military conquest -- much to the chagrin of the security chief, who clearly was reliving his battle-scarred glory days and chafed visibly at the restricted rules of engagement, which appeared to consist of self-defense only. Remember the local business lead, representing the mining company? He was ostensibly in charge, and mentioned that his shareholders back home would not appreciate seeing dead natives.

I think that has something to do with why they were not equipped to deal with the natives. That said, the natives SHOULD have been able to beat them, and with fewer casualties (IMHO) given the huge terrain advantages they had in the final conflict. They should have let them pass and then ambushed from the rear.

I wouldn't want to see an Avatar sequel. The logical place for it to go would be very unhappy. If unobtanium is really so precious, someone will come and wipe the Na'vi out. Probably the same company, possibly a competitor, possibly even a government seizing the valuable ore for the betterment of humanity. Just as with the Battle of Little Bighorn, which it should have more closely resembled, it would be a case of winning the battle but losing the war.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

The whole premise of having some double sized humans with stone aged technology fighting a futuristic real sized human military force is just plain stupid. Yes, the avatar people are twice the size of a normal human, but that doesn't make up for only possessing stone age weapons. Think about it, we wiped normal sized natives off the planet with merely muskets and metal swords...

Yeah, but, what if the natives had the bears, eagles, cougars, wolves, mooses, deer, squirrels, and rabbits fighting on their side! :lol:

ARTHUR- "What, behind the rabbit?"

TIM THE WIZARD- "It is the rabbit!"

SIR ROBIN (the not-so-brave-as Sir Lancelot)- "Awfff! I almost soiled me armor, I was so scared!"

TIM THE WIZARD- "He'll do you a trick, mate!" :lol:

 

[brandbll]

The whole premise of having some double sized humans with stone aged technology fighting a futuristic real sized human military force is just plain stupid. Yes, the avatar people are twice the size of a normal human, but that doesn't make up for only possessing stone age weapons. Think about it, we wiped normal sized natives off the planet with merely muskets and metal swords...

Yeah, but, what if the natives had the bears, eagles, cougars, wolves, mooses, deer, squirrels, and rabbits fighting on their side! :lol:

ARTHUR- "What, behind the rabbit?"

TIM THE WIZARD- "It is the rabbit!"

SIR ROBIN (the not-so-brave-as Sir Lancelot)- "Awfff! I almost soiled me armor, I was so scared!"

TIM THE WIZARD- "He'll do you a trick, mate!" :lol:

Well in the 18th-mid 19th century that MIGHT have posed a problem. For today's military tech it would mean nothing.

 

[brandbll]

Well, it was established in the story that there was an aversion on the part of the humans back home to using violence against the natives. This was a mining expedition, after all, not a military conquest -- much to the chagrin of the security chief, who clearly was reliving his battle-scarred glory days and chafed visibly at the restricted rules of engagement, which appeared to consist of self-defense only. Remember the local business lead, representing the mining company? He was ostensibly in charge, and mentioned that his shareholders back home would not appreciate seeing dead natives.

I think that has something to do with why they were not equipped to deal with the natives. That said, the natives SHOULD have been able to beat them, and with fewer casualties (IMHO) given the huge terrain advantages they had in the final conflict. They should have let them pass and then ambushed from the rear.

I wouldn't want to see an Avatar sequel. The logical place for it to go would be very unhappy. If unobtanium is really so precious, someone will come and wipe the Na'vi out. Probably the same company, possibly a competitor, possibly even a government seizing the valuable ore for the betterment of humanity. Just as with the Battle of Little Bighorn, which it should have more closely resembled, it would be a case of winning the battle but losing the war.

Not equipped to deal with the natives? They had a fleet of military helicopters. They had this gigantic ship and another gigantic helicopter ship that were both loaded with missiles and machine guns. Then on top of that we have dozens of these armored mech suits. The flaw in the mech suits and the helicpters is that they have these weak little glass windshields that some native can shoot a non-metallic arrow through. I know it may seem like nit picking, but theres no point of having the mech suit if you have a giant pane of non-bulletproof glass sitting in front of you. Even if it was converted work equip, which is doubtful seeing as it had its own comabat knife and sheath LMAO, it would have some sort of reinforced windshield.

Personally i think it would have been better with a more down to earth fighting human force of maybe workers converted to having to fight the Na'vi. The humans seemed like blackwater on steroids.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

Well in the 18th-mid 19th century that MIGHT have posed a problem. For today's military tech it would mean nothing.

Vader-- Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to...

Um, you're forgetting that all the animal life on Pandora had naturally occurring nano-carbon fiber in their bones. Making them "very hard to kill." By logical creative extentsion of that, we can surmise that the wood in the trees was also some kind of super-strong carbonate wood. So their arrows could pierce future nano-silicon glass!

At any rate, BrandBilly, grow a sense of humor, will ya? It's a freakin' movie dude! :lol:

 

[brandbll]

Well in the 18th-mid 19th century that MIGHT have posed a problem. For today's military tech it would mean nothing.

At any rate, BrandBilly, grow a sense of humor, will ya? It's a freakin' movie dude! :lol:

Im not sure what you're talking about, my sense of humor has nothing to do with this. I'm just pointing out things that IMO ruin the movie for me. If anything my sense of humor does come out because i find myself laughing at parts of the movie that the director wants you to take serious(i.e. the part i pointed out where the guy in the robo suit pulls out that knife).

 

[ZenGalacticore]

Billy- I hear ya man. I do. It really wasn't all that great of a film, despite all the hype, buzz, and the $2 bill it made. (It's like those Keanu Reeve movies, the trilogy, what was it called? The name escapes me because I didn't think they were all that great. The first one was okay. Anyway, the three combined made $3 bill worldwide.) The "Matrix". Yeah.

As I posted earlier, I saw 'Avatar' twice. And it was hard to sit through a second time. I've seen 'Star Wars', 'Empire', 'Logan's Run', and 'Alien' each probably 40 times over the years. (No exaggeration.) And when enough time goes by, I could watch each yet again.

But 'Avatar'? I don't think so.

 

[kelvinzero]

I actually found Starwars episode 1 easier to watch the second time because I was only admiring the details of the graphics with no worry of how they intruded on the story. I expect I would find Avatar the same. It was pretty and there was a lot of hard work in there to appreciate.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

I actually found Starwars episode 1 easier to watch the second time because I was only admiring the details of the graphics with no worry of how they intruded on the story. I expect I would find Avatar the same. It was pretty and there was a lot of hard work in there to appreciate.

'Star Wars: Episode I" had a story?

 

[FictionBecomesFact]

An April 2010 interview of James Cameron offers some hints at what an Avatar sequel could entail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km2UpEcSUGY

 

[FictionBecomesFact]

Will you be seeing the re-released, and enhanced Avatar in 3D this August 27th?

http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/exclusi ... om-avatar/

I will be, despite having already seen it twice at the cinemas. It's enjoyed record DVD sales in 2D, too, but in November the 3D version comes out and should also sell well.

 

[torinobradley]

I could see two stories as possible sequels.

The first would go back in time to cover the exploration, initial contact and start of the whole operation that lead it to where the original movie started with several little story lines including Segorney's character and schooling as well as how the commander got his scars (I thought it said he got them on that planet).

The second would be now, all of a sudden, Pandora is the go to spot for all those nature loving humans that want to commune with nature at a different level. And, of course, once this type of haven starts up, all the social and political refugees start coming that way as well.

Both would/could deal with overcoming the atmospheric toxicity and racial boundaries inherent, not to mention the non-sentient predatory natives. Both stories could also include tales of dire straights, rescues by opposing factions/viewpoints and things like bravery to defend/risk ones life for the other side.

In both, you can throw in all the touchy-feely, personal beliefs being challenged and all that other feel-good movie stuff.

 

[StarRider1701]

Cameron really is a hack of sorts.

His stories are soooo common denominator.

Which should give anyone with two brain cells that work the storyline for the sequel. Simple, really. Unobtainium. Pandora is the only place we know of where it exists. We need it. So the blue people kicked our asses once, with the help of a human merc. Humans come back in force. Screw the Avatar program, we ain't here to talk with the dirtly blue savages, we tried that once, look what happened.
Actually, they might send negotiators first. Something like, "No one lives at X spot. We want to mine there. We'll leave the rest of the planet alone if you leave us alone." That won't work, of course, so in comes a massive force that makes the original force look like a bunch of school kids in a playground! Humans win in the beginning, putting the Na'vi on a guerilla warfare and sabotage footing, led by what's his name, who is PE#1 to the humans. But they can't catch him until his Avatar body needs human medical attention (the replicant breakdown that someone mentioned)! Too bad Sigorney Weaver died, she'd be the perfect one to secretly help him.

"...sooo common denominator." Same FX, lots of action, flying, fighting, running, shooting those killer arrows with those massive bows (Calli is right, they should not have been able to penetrate modern Military Armor Glass) for mostly the same reason: they have Unobtanium, we want it, they wont give it to us. A few details will change here and there, but basically the sequel will be the same as the original. And probably be almost as fun to watch, because some of those effects were sooooo cool. And the Blue Chick was SOOOOOO HOT!

 

[ZenGalacticore]

And the Blue Chick was SOOOOOO HOT!

Yeah. And she looks better blue with gold/yellow eyes than she does in real life.

I didn't say I didn't enjoy the film, especially the forest scenes and in particular the night forest scenes and the bio-flourescence.

But special effects are the salt and pepper on the prime rib, not the meat itself, IMO.

Of course, since special effects are becoming soooooo easy to do (they're even doing them in porn movies now), then hopefully, by default, Hollywood will have to go back to writing really good, compelling stories with great characters that the audience will care about. Like:

Luke Skywalker
Mr. Spock
Logan 5
Ripley
Chief Brody
Indiana Jones

As opposed to totally forgettable characters like:



Um, can't remember them...

 

[nimbus]

Gligli.

 

[FictionBecomesFact]

Well I'll be seeing the re-release sometime after its August 27th premiere. Can't wait; can you? At any rate, hopefully the additional footage will be good?

 

[StarRider1701]

Well I'll be seeing the re-release sometime after its August 27th premiere. Can't wait; can you? At any rate, hopefully the additional footage will be good?

Oooh, yeah. I'm gonna spend the cost of a full movie to see the same movie over again with 8 minutes of unreleased footage added! NOT! Unless I knew for sure that it was 8 minutes of pure Blue Chick footage that was too hot and racy for the original release!

 

[Valcan]

I know how it should end.

Climactic battle is arriving the giant smurf/indian people line up and give the yell and........

Then they all die from a massive kenetic bombardment from orbit. Further all smurf villages are destroyed by kenetic strikes.

Marines come in knowing wtf they are doing run clean up operations. Hippies on earth complain about war for resources and genocide.

The End.

I am genis

 

[ZenGalacticore]

Well I'll be seeing the re-release sometime after its August 27th premiere. Can't wait; can you? At any rate, hopefully the additional footage will be good?

Oooh, yeah. I'm gonna spend the cost of a full movie to see the same movie over again with 8 minutes of unreleased footage added! NOT! Unless I knew for sure that it was 8 minutes of pure Blue Chick footage that was too hot and racy for the original release!

Heck, the theatrical release was too long.

It will probably have 8 minutes of footage that will be testimony as to why editors have jobs.

 

[ZiraldoAerospace]

Here is a suggestion for the sequel: DON'T MAKE ONE!

 

[FictionBecomesFact]

As for the August 27th re-release with extra footage, we shall soon see if it's as worth it as I predict that it will be

 

[FictionBecomesFact]

The special edition was well worth seeing. The additional scenes weren't baggage, but supplementary and well done. Might anyone disagree? For a sample: http://www.AvatarMovie.com

Enjoy