Battle Star Gallatica

bearack · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I haven't watched a lot of the series but am hoping to, soon, as soon as they are available via Netflix.  But one question:  does the tall blonde cylon, pictured in the middle standing up, always wear red?  And if so, what is the significance of her wearing red?  I know Jesus also wears red in the Last Supper (which BSG's photo is an homage to), but seem to remember her in red an awful lot.-dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV> No, the one stuck in Baltar's head doe's but the others wear all different kinds of clothing.  The other common outfit worn by number 6 is a white lab coat. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

doublehelix · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No, the one stuck in Baltar's head doe's but the others wear all different kinds of clothing.  The other common outfit worn by number 6 is a white lab coat. Posted by bearack</DIV>OK, hot red chick is Gaius's ex-sorta-girlfriend, yes?  I seem to remember that from the miniseries.Who is number 6 (I feel like I'm in The Prisoner with that question, though it'd be number 2 in that case)? -dh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> doublehelix, Community Manager Imaginova </div>

lildreamer · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>OK, hot red chick is Gaius's ex-sorta-girlfriend, yes?  I seem to remember that from the miniseries.Who is number 6 (I feel like I'm in The Prisoner with that question, though it'd be number 2 in that case)? -dh Posted by doublehelix</DIV> refering to the models...12 in all6 is the blond modelwhere boomer is 4the priest is 5 I think the 7th model I think is the one they placed on ice because they were deemed unstable...anybody else help out.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

doublehelix · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>refering to the models...12 in all6 is the blond modelwhere boomer is 4the priest is 5 I think the 7th model I think is the one they placed on ice because they were deemed unstable...anybody else help out.... Posted by lildreamer</DIV>OK, I have a lot of watching to catch up on.  And reading as well.  I'm so curious about these numbered cylons. -dh  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> doublehelix, Community Manager Imaginova </div>

vidargander · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just wait the fur will fly when both sides start going in on each other...desertion among the ranks both for the humans and cylons - mutiny I say mutiny .... Posted by lildreamer</DIV> Let’s imagine for a while that the BSG story is about angels returning to Earth, and that there is a plot amongst them similar to The Last Supper. If so, I find the BSG storyline more interested than previously imagined, because I'm a great fan of the rock opera Jesus Christ Superstar, and that tribal/political/theocratic plot.Concerning the angels’ part in JCS, they’re simply gone. They left JC to die alone, and thereby missed the whole point. The angels blamed the humans to be the cause to the war in Heaven and the fall of 1/3 of them. Humans were kicked out of Eden and were flushed down in the Great Flood. For goodness sake, they wreck the towers of Babel, crushed some sin-cities and plagued Egypt to ruin. Consequently they might have thought that there wasn’t more to hang around for when JC cried; ‘why have you forsaken me?’ The whole point with the crucifixion was God’s forgiving the human race. What the angels must have missed in their absence is that they probably were forgiven as well. Now they’re returning, - in some arc-like space-ship. They seem to be going through the same plot as JC thousands of years earlier. In BSG it might lead to a second revolution amongst the heavenly dozen. Will they ever realize that there's no reason to fight anymore, because they’re long ago forgiven as well? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

doublehelix · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The whole point with the crucifixion was God’s forgiving the human race. What the angels must have missed in their absence is that they probably were forgiven as well. Posted by vidargander</DIV>But aren't angels already in God's good graces?  I thought all angels were forgiven and fully accepted by God?vidargander, you pose some fascinating ideas.  I am intrigued by the Last Supper homage in the promo materials, too.  Perhaps hot red chick will be the Jesus figure in some way.  How will she be crucified? -dh  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> doublehelix, Community Manager Imaginova </div>

yevaud · Apr 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Perhaps hot red chick will be the Jesus figure in some way.  How will she be crucified? -dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV>Probably via some foolish thing Baltar does.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Apr 9, 2008

I really loved the "Light" and "Dark" in B5.  In the end, it was shown that it isn't the extremes of "Order" or "Chaos" that is ultimately for the best - It's a blending of the two.Perhaps BSG is going with a "benevolent transcended alien race" type of thing.  An alien race that has had its battles with its own creations and learned to accept them and merge with them?  That could account for some of the religious type of experiences shown so far and, IMO, would fit in fairly well with the Sci-Fi theme without stomping on religious toes by introducing God, Angels, etc..  Religion could still be there, somewhere, perhaps mentioned by the transcended aliens/beings.  They could refer to their own search for meaning or God or even an enlightened understanding of Creation itself in the end.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Apr 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What makes me wonder just WTH is going on, is the nagging question of Colonel Tigh's age.  He would be one of the first human-like Cylons created.  So in the end, must we assume that the extermination of the Human race was already being planned by the Cylons of 50 years ago?[/quote]It's possible.  However, it's also possible he was taken out and replaced by a duplicate.  I don't think there's anything that says all of the models were molded at the same time in their present form.

....Quite the irony there.  For a "species" that self-declares themselves as morally and ethically superior to humans, they have managed to demonstrate every bad tendency humans have, but magnified.  They're not angels - they're more like self-created Demons. Posted by yevaud</DIV>A portion of them believe they're on some Holy Crusade that is tied in with some Cycle that all have been going through forever and ever, Amen, etc..  So, from their point of view, they have a Holy Mission of Redemption for both Humans and Cylons from this perpetual Cycle of conflict.. or something.. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Apr 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Please note to our wonderful community this site is not available to Canadians....sucks to be us.... Posted by lildreamer</DIV>Canada is starting to get pretty whacked about copyright and intellectual property restrictions these days.  HULU is legit but there may be some royalties problems going across the border or something.Use a proxy.

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a_lost_packet_ · Apr 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..How will she be crucified? -dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV>In self-sacrifice to save all of mankind.  If she was to be crucified as a classic Jesus figure, that is.  Perhaps, through her own self-sacrifice she will also receive redemption and ultimate "knowledge" of everything revolving around the Human/Cylon storyline?  That would put her in an "omniscient redeemer" light as well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

star_sirius · Apr 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That sucks, lildreamer.  Why should Canadians be left out?  Dang...However, this weekend, I watched the latest BSG ep here:http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=32850&eid=236036There are commercials, but it is the same one over and over.  It's pretty short as well. Try that and let us know how it goes! -dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV> As I clicked this : http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=32850&eid=236036It's given me the creeps, ouch! - " We're sorry, but the clip you selected isn't available from your location, please select another clip!!! " <img src="http://sitelife.livescience.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/6/eae7b4a2-9b2e-4761-a655-477d8a3a6be6.Medium.gif" alt="" /> No worries, I could do 2 things, redirect my ip address into US one or use TVU to wait for a right time..... I've been watching SiFi on TVU....  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> A dazzling bluish luminosity from A distant south pacific. <img id="cb51e87e-8221-424c-8ff2-78c95122196c" src="http://sitelife.livescience.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/15/cb51e87e-8221-424c-8ff2-78c95122196c.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

TheOscarMP · Apr 9, 2008

I've been TIVOing all the episodes.  gonna save em to a DVD so I can watch 2 or 3 in a row. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Screw you guys...I'm going home: Eric CartmanSILENCE...I KILL YOU!!!!: Achmed, the dead terrorist </div>

Saiph · Apr 9, 2008

Yevaud:  That is a pretty good ending.  It especially points out the odd way history can shift over time.  Though I'd probably make it explicit that the "first" cylon war that destroyed earth wasn't with the current Cylons (which were developed by the colonies)...but that it was basically the same problem.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vidargander · Apr 9, 2008

doublehelix  But aren't angels already in God's good graces?  I thought all angels were forgiven and fully accepted by God?vidargander, you pose some fascinating ideas.  I am intrigued by the Last Supper homage in the promo materials, too.  Perhaps hot red chick will be the Jesus figure in some way.  How will she be crucified? yevaud  Probably via some foolish thing Baltar does.----------------------------------- Some angels give the impression that they are the really-really good guys. Others are fallen and losers. It’s a complex hierarchy of angel, counting nine kinds. Archangels like Micheal and Gabriel are really at the very lover level in the hierarchy. They are the kind that is allowed to mingle amongst humans, just to see that we don’t mess up in Heaven again. However, I don’t think I've ever heard that other than angels says that they are of Gods grace. God only express through angels, - you know. I think Gaius Baltar is destined to become a martyr and that Chief Galen Tyrol will be an executer. I also think that number six (red hot cylon) will suffer and that number three (disobedient and rivalling cylon) will be the prosecutor. This can be read out of the picture. However, they have rather complex interrelation and the writers keep pulling rabbits out of the hat. There isn’t even unanimity about the events around the real Supper intrigue. Now there is a Judas’ gospel too. Furthermore, while Christians consider JC the son of God, Muslims consider JC merely a true prophet while the Jews consider him a false. Is Baltar a fool? He was considered a genius amongst most humans. However, that might change in the end when his secrets get loose. Number six was the true contributor to ‘the improvement’ to the human defence system. Baltar loves no one but himself. His feminine alter ego doesn’t count as an other person. Baltar might be intelligent, but not in a social way. Even though Baltar has proven a survivor against all odds, his egocentric social idiocy will backfire in the end and make him the martyr he really doesn’t want to be. How the BSG writers are going to twist the story can be anyone’s guess. Maybe they quite don’t know themselves yet. I've heard only half the season 4 is finished by now. Still I think they have bound themselves to religious scripts so they have to complete that path. It will be very interesting to see how they will conclude the series. I only hope they don’t end up with a human population of 144000. That script doesn’t deserve such attention.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

vidargander · Apr 9, 2008

Saul Tigh will fall, - and a lot with him. Of that I pretty certain, just because of one lost eye.   In BSG they link the main gods Jupiter and Odin by blasting the super-nova ‘Jupiter’s eye’ and taking one of Saul’s.  In Norse religion, Odin, the main god, gave one eye to get knowledge of past, present and future. That wasn’t enough to keep his superior position though, when the world collapsed around him.  First Saul must take Adama’s place (again). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Apr 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>OK, I have a lot of watching to catch up on.  And reading as well.  I'm so curious about these numbered cylons. -dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV> Here is a good detail of each of the cylon model.http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

yevaud · Apr 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Saul Tigh will fall, - and a lot with him. Of that I pretty certain, just because of one lost eye.   In BSG they link the main gods Jupiter and Odin by blasting the super-nova ‘Jupiter’s eye’ and taking one of Saul’s.  In Norse religion, Odin, the main god, gave one eye to get knowledge of past, present and future. That wasn’t enough to keep his superior position though, when the world collapsed around him.  First Saul must take Adama’s place (again). Posted by vidargander</DIV>Vigar, excellent catch.  I hadn't even considered Norse models.What a concept, eh?  Synthetic beings having a "Religion."  Kudos to the writers of the series.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

vidargander · Apr 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Vigar, excellent catch.  I hadn't even considered Norse models.What a concept, eh?  Synthetic beings having a "Religion."  Kudos to the writers of the series.  Posted by yevaud</DIV>Thanks yevaud. I think there is a rather simple and old idea behind the storyline. It’s about the merging of polytheism and monotheism to pantheism. Like there have been a development of monotheism from Judaism, via Christianity to Islam, there was a development of polytheisms from Greek, via Roman to Norse. Both theisms stem from the Babylonian and the Egyptian religions. The angels are really some pre-Islamic Babylonian gods. All in all, there all the same, even though the perception have changed over time.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Apr 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Whelp, its back on 04-04-08 and hopefully, more than just one stinking episode.I am very disappointed with how SciFi did this series.  6 months of show spread out over three years.  By the time we see the final episode, we will have forgotten all the previous episodes. Posted by bearack</DIV> Whelp, the series is getting more and more intriguing.  Didn't expect as much decention among the cylon models so now there is a war within a war. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

lildreamer · Apr 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Whelp, the series is getting more and more intriguing.  Didn't expect as much decention among the cylon models so now there is a war within a war. Posted by bearack</DIV> agreed this is interesting to see a civil war amongst the cylons themselves <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

doublehelix · Apr 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>agreed this is interesting to see a civil war amongst the cylons themselves Posted by lildreamer</DIV>How are the alliances split?  I have not seen this past episode, but that's ok.  I'll watch it this week, maybe even tonite!-dh  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> doublehelix, Community Manager Imaginova </div>

bearack · Apr 15, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How are the alliances split?  I have not seen this past episode, but that's ok.  I'll watch it this week, maybe even tonite!-dh  Posted by doublehelix</DIV> It seems that models 1 through 3 are allied.  Model 4 is split with some agreeing with models 1 through 3 and the rest going with 5 and 6.  The centennials seemed to be aligned with number 6 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

lildreamer · Apr 15, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It seems that models 1 through 3 are allied.  Model 4 is split with some agreeing with models 1 through 3 and the rest going with 5 and 6.  The centennials seemed to be aligned with number 6 Posted by bearack</DIV> That's the interesting point hey....6 has the backing of the centurions.  Since the model 1- Brother Cavil were doing the lobotomy on the raiders, 6 removed the inhibitors from several models of centurions/sentinels. It was interesting to see the centurions/sentinels  "annoyed"  with the first three models and take them out violently.I think these 7 are incomplete in their command structure.  That the other 5 are the true leaders of the cylons. my opinion that's why the civil war is coming. The other 5 went into hiding from the original 7.(oops bable filter kicking in ...being forced away from keyboa aa  r  ....<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-yell.gif" border="0" alt="Yell" title="Yell" />)<h4></h4> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Apr 15, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's the interesting point hey....6 has the backing of the centurions.  Since the model 1- Brother Cavil were doing the lobotomy on the raiders, 6 removed the inhibitors from several models of centurions/sentinels. It was interesting to see the centurions/sentinels  "annoyed"  with the first three models and take them out violently.I think these 7 are incomplete in their command structure.  That the other 5 are the true leaders of the cylons. my opinion that's why the civil war is coming. The other 5 went into hiding from the original 7.(oops bable filter kicking in ...being forced away from keyboa aa  r  ....) Posted by lildreamer</DIV> I absolutely agree.  I also think the other 5 made every attempt to remove their true identity from their programming in attempts to distance themselves from the other 7.  Just think about it.  There will be basically 5 factions at war.  Models 1 through 3, Models 5-6 and the sentinel's, Model 4, models 7 through 11 and the humans. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

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