Blackhole thermodynamics

[nojocujo]

Just was wondering if below the event horizon is there an energy horizon below which energy precipitates as matter onto the surface of a bh. It would seem that as entropy nears zero energy would have to be redefined as matter??????

 

[nojocujo]

No one going to mention that an energy horizon would violate GR by c squared?

 

[nojocujo]

It wouldn't violate GR..... It is just an analog of the Bose Einstein condensate.

 

[onesimple]

Black holes<br />According to my idea, colossal black holes of the galaxies centres are so originated really from the large energy from concentrating on, where there is far more energy as in the visible macrocosm altogether, and that perhaps degrees energycentrums of larger substance all class is really a long distance outside the visible macrocosm . Its can be thought about as being for instance degrees larger substance all class star , which from inside about 13.7 billion years ago flapped also visible macrocosm galaxies centres colossal black holes in other words perhaps degrees photons of the larger substance all class, which have expanded during the journey, three-dimensionally and openning energy waves, which have to our our material all class atom your place. Like this explain new stars galaxies centres, near the colossal black aperatures .<br /><br />How black holesborn<br /><br />Current physics has clarified, that in the stars' supernova explosion can be born black aperatures, if explosive star is big enough. According to my thought, in the supernova explosion already also before all the time three-dimensionally to be exploding because of expanding accerelate to us for the noticeable expanding and like this because of to the centre born even harder pressure, which compress because of atoms of centre for the one to be big energycentrums in other words for the black aperature, which energy is in the proportion to so on the small area, that there as being energy has in the proportion to extremely little "surface" in the relationship to the energy's amount. That's why from that from concentrating on does not open nowhere near so much energy outwards as then, when same energy was because of inside.<br /><br />At same time in the way, as for example then, when you you nestle more thickly in other words to the fetal position, also black hole expands three-dimensionally slower as stars, and that's why they preserve their bonfire star in relationship. Black aperature "sur

 

[nojocujo]

I think that a black hole is just a huge super atom of bose einstein condensate. With sufficient mass in a collapse of a massive star an energy horizon and event horizon exist. At the energy horizon it i.e. energy is transformed m=e/c2/g to matter thereby cooling the interior of the collapsing star which also accelerates the collapse. It would appear that a bose einstein condensate is the normal state of matter in a highly curved spacetime. It would also appear that the thermodynamics of a bh decrease with an increase in mass. The acceleration to c converts matter to energy and it can still exist as energy at the event horizon but as the gravitational energy increases on the square i.e. g2 it converts to matter. Since there are 2 horizons at different levels a bh never reaches absolute zero.

 

[fingle]

I thought that bose einstein condensates were a condition of super cold atoms. I just haven't been able to warp my thinking into visualizing a singularity as either solid or super cold. <br /><br />Further it seems bose einstein condensates are not very stable, where as it seems that large singularities maybe stable for very very long times.<br /><br />[channel Sargent Schultz] I know nothing [/channel Sargent Schultz]<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[alokmohan]

In appicable.Singularity is the right thing.

 

[nojocujo]

In a normal sense bose einstein condensates are unstable where spacetime is not curved or minimally curved. It is very cold almost absolute zero. If the energy contained in a blackhole were converted to matter it would have an extreme cooling effect altering the state of matter in a BH and it's energy density. I was concerned about pair production and how that would affect the energy density of a BH but due to the gravitational acceleration the quarks can't combine to create matter/antimatter. Hence no pair production.

 

[alokmohan]

I thing black hole thermodynamic has nothing to do with bose condensation.When two black holes collide ,total mass becomes less and portion of earlier mass radiates away energy.In the result the surface temperature increses and ultimately the hole explodes due to radiation.

 

[nojocujo]

It in a sense doesn't have anything to do with BH thermodynamics. In another sense it has everything to do with it. If you have a bh it is either very hot or very cold. To be cold it would have to condense energy into matter like in the early stages of the big bang. With a bh being a closed system any conversion of energy to matter would have an extremely chilling effect. If as I surmise that during the collapse to a bh and any subsequent energy being consumed was converted to matter it would also stay cool. Since a bh is probably a qg plasma it would not be exactly the same as a Bose Einstein condensate since it describes an atom.