Deep Impact Foul Play

[votefornimitz]

I am willing to throw my complete endorsement behind telrow.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Hey, it's not just me that feels that way....there are plenty of upset SDC posters who I believe feel the same way...and BTW, thanks VFN. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

Yeah, but they are either too busy to get involved or don't thinks its that big of a deal..... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[the_bearcat]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I am willing to throw my complete endorsement behind telrow....<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly. For what its worth...

 

[zenonmars]

Bearcat: <font color="yellow">"The way RCH avoided giving Zen a real answer seemed eirily familiar..."</font><br /><br />Richard's response to me:<br /><br /><i>"Right on! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />What's even more astonishing than NASA's curious ability to be so "open" on a Program like the Shuttle ... and so "closed" on a Program like Deep Impact, is the unwillingness of ANYONE at Space.com to question NASA on ANY of this ... even after they've demonstrably KILLED members "of their own family" with their PROVEN negligence and "not invented here" (as documented by the CAIB Report) mindset ....<br /><br />Where is the questioning of NASA on ANY of these fronts ... but here?"</i> <br />28/7/05 8:27 PM<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

tel, <font color="yellow">Withholding data?????</font> <br /> <br />From that first link: , what does this mean?<br /> <br /><b>"37th DPS Meeting, 4-9 September 2005<br /><br />All findings are embargoed until the time of presentation at the meeting"</b> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Just what it says, Zen. Just what it says. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

"Richard's response to me..."<br /><br />Which avoided the entire question of spamming the site "under orders." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

Well, I knew he wouldn't own up to it, like i said, we are beneath his comtempt... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

<b><i>"embargoed"</i></b>???<br /><br />"em·bar·goes: <br />1. A <b>government order prohibiting</b> the movement of merchant ships into or out of its ports.<br />2. A prohibition by a government on certain or all trade with a foreign nation.<br />3. A prohibition; <b>a ban: an embargo on criticism</b>"<br /><br />Open science, huh? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

telfrow: <font color="yellow">"Which avoided the entire question of spamming the site "under orders."</font><br />I never "asked" him a "question". I made a statement, and he did not disagree. <br /><br />telfrow......is it Richard's job to moderate these boards? I haven't heard from GRR8 lately, for all I know Richard pm'ed him and told him to back off. Or maybe Richard let my words speak for him. He did say "Right on!" after all.<br />In any case, when I made "libelous" statements about Zawi Hawass it took the mods here about a second to threaten me with deleting or worse. If GRR8s spamming is such a problem (and yeah, I agree, it is an aweful tactic that, also, doesn't work) what is the delay in banning him from these boards? Problem solved.<br /><br />Or is it cs_specialist's idea that rules the day here: <font color="yellow">"BTW: They've done an excellent job of diverting the discussion from the actual topic of the thread, which as I seem to recall, had something to do with the lack of images of the crater caused by the Deep Impact probe. Congratulations."</font><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">All findings are embargoed until the time of presentation at the meeting.</font><br /><br />Nothing strange here, Zen. The findings are withheld until the researchers are given an opportunity to present their work at the conference. As I understand, it is standard procedure. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[the_bearcat]

I was implying that he sidestepped the issue of spamming, rather than acknowledging your statement, he went off on a tangent about NASA conspiracies. That’s what seemed eerily familiar...<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">I never "asked" him a "question". I made a statement, and he did not disagree.</font><br /><br /><b>???</b><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Is it Richard's job to moderate these boards? </font><br /><br />No. But it is his responsibility to regulate those individuals conducting a “campaign.” If he’s the “captain,” people like GRR8 are the “privates” in his regiment. And, if they are acting under his orders, or are assuming they have orders directly from him, he is ultimately responsible for their conduct. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">I haven't heard from GRR8 lately, for all I know Richard pm'ed him and told him to back off. </font><br /><br />Neither have I. But that’s not surprising. He floats in and out of here on an irregular basis. Like Geos… But if RCH did, indeed, do that, why not take the opportunity in his response to your post to step up and declare he had instructed his members to back off? Honestly, Zen, I was hoping he’d do just that. I would have appreciated, and respected, an action like that. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Or maybe Richard let my words speak for him. He did say "Right on!" after all.</font><br /><br />While leaving out any reference to spamming, or your opening statement that people here thought there was a campaign under way under his direction. His “right on” was in reference to the rest of your post, which gave your reasons for posting here at SDC.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">In any case, when I made "libelous" statements about Zawi Hawass it took the mods here about a second to threaten me with deleting or worse. </font><br /><br />Different situation. Apples and oranges. As the mods noted (najaB, I believe) there could have been legal ramifications for the site because of the content of your post. That’s not the case here, is it?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">If GRR8s spamming is such a problem (and yeah, I agree, it is an awful tactic that, also, doesn't work) what is the delay in banning him from these boards? Problem solved.</font><br /><br />Because, believe it or not, they warn you before th <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

tel,<br /><br />How do <i>you</i> know what 'part(s)' of my post Richard was refering to? Intuition?<br /><br />TOS is TOS.........not apples and oranges. Now I did <i>more</i> than you asked, and I think you must address some bigger issues. What cs_specialist said seems true. This harangue seems to have passed the point of voicing your displeasure. It seems to sidetrack the issues of the Deep Impact discussion.<br /><br />You five or six guys act like you personally own these SDC boards. Richard <i>owns</i> his News Site, his Message Boards, and his Blog Site. He is tolerant of opposing viewpoints. That "old lady's" comments could be considered libelous. He has not deleted this post, has he? He has not ranted for 20 pages about it, has he? When spammed himself, a simple, single request to stop "the commercial" was in and of itself satisfactory to unplug the problem.<br /><br />Which brings me to another point. Even if I left these SDC boards, never to darken <i>your</i> cyber doorway again, you wouldn't be very happy. In days, some other happless individual would stumble upon these boards, like an ant on the carpet web of a wolf spider, float an idea he heard Richard state on late-night radio, and you would have to start the whole process over again.<br /><br />My God, what on Earth would you guys actually discuss here, if Max and I hit the road? I've left chat-groups that were self-stroking, egocentric country clubs. Anyone with a slightly different bend is instantly "kicked". <br /><br />Now you did it. You got me ranting. Just say it: Do you want us <i><b>out</b></i> of here? <br /><br />Who wants <b>ZenOnMars</b> to leave Space.com permanently?<br /><br />And while you think about it, answer me this: <br /><br />What's up with this psycho: " returnviewersguide" ?<br />SteveHW33 was almost <b>nice</b> to him. Explain that to me.<br /><br />And I thought Geos was incoherent sometimes. Yeesh.<br /><br />OK, tel. You read the Hoagland blog daily. Many articles, p <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">What cs_specialist said seems true. This harangue seems to have passed the point of voicing your displeasure. It seems to sidetrack the issues of the Deep Impact discussion.</font><br /> <br />This all started with GRR8 (who started the thread, BTW) posting the same link four times in the first four pages, and in various locations throughout the site, referring to RCH's blog and Deep Impact. I asked the question "How many times are you going to post that link?" He didn't respond. I found the answer. And the answer was troubling. I posted it...and the discussion has followed that track. But I'd remind you I posted links to information concerning the release of the Deep Impact data....and an audio interview with one of the chief investigators during that time. This thread has taken a number of turns - including your links concerning various TEM articles that have nothing to do with Deep Impact. If it's strayed in that regard, then we're all to blame.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Afraid that you might have to reference the conflicting public statements about the Deep Impact spectra? Gosh, we wouldn't want to remind anyone that we started threads here to "guess" what they might find in that comet, and now, about a month later, we're still guessing!!!</font><br /><br />See these previously posted links....(and who posted them, BTW?)<br /><br />http://www.planetary.org/audio/pr20050718.html<br /><br />http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/S350.htm<br /><br />http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/S380.htm<br /><br />http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/S420.htm<br /><b></b> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

As for the discussion of the spamming issue, you're right. It's gone on here long enough....if it needs to be continued, it should be done in the "Open Letter" thread. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<b>Comet Collision!</b><br />July 31, 2005<br />10:00 PM EST<br />Discovery Channel <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

tel, Here are some sincere questions:<br /><br /><font color="yellow">"But I'd remind you I posted links to information concerning the release of the Deep Impact data...."</font><br /><br />http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/S350.htm<br /><br /><i>Will these meetings be broadcast to the public? Are they <b>open</b> to the public? Do you know if the data presented, and it's initial interpretation being delivered at the conference, will be made available on the internet? For sure? And if so, where? Will <b>all</b> of the DI's 4500 pictures be "unveiled" at the conference? And the spectra data? <b>All</b> of it?<br /><br />No worries if you are not sure about these queries, I am just quite curious to know.</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

I'm not sure, Zen. But I'd do a bit of "Googling" and see what I can find... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

It's open to the press...<br /><br />http://www-outreach.phy.cam.ac.uk/dps2005/press.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

According to this...<br /><br />http://www-outreach.phy.cam.ac.uk/dps2005/registration.html<br /><br />it's open registration, but the form asks for an "affiliation," and the lists of previous attendees seems to indicate they were, at the least, connected to universities. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Publication:<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Abstracts will be published online, in the Bulletin of the American Astronomical Society (BAAS) and archived in the Astrophysics Data System (ADS). The BAAS will be distributed at the meeting.</font><br /><br />http://abstracts.aas.org/dps05/ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

That's about it, Zen. Doesn't answer all your questions, I know, but it's the best I can do. There's a contact list on the main page...maybe you should direct your questions to one of the organizers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>