ESA, the CEV and the Soyuz

[holmec]

>and if they are "SMART"...<<br /><br />European politics doesn't give us much hope for this statement.<br /><br />Hey, I guess its the ISS that may be the biggest argument to get Europe to be on the market for a manned launch system. <br /><br />Otherwise they would wait...and that forever. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[nacnud]

They building a Soyuz launch pad at Kourou, to become operational in 2008.<br /><br />Link

 

[holmec]

21 tonne = 21,000 kilogram<br /><br />hmmm....<br /><br />50000 pound = 22,679.6185 kilogram<br /><br />Just don't put any astronauts in it....lol. <br /><br />(calcualations courtesy of Online Conversions at http://www.onlineconversion.com, because holmec peabrain is not functioning). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[nacnud]

Or for a ISS mission don't put the TEI propelant in it.

 

[tohaki]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Sorry but ESA seems to have no plans to launch Soyuz from South America.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>If you are refering to the rocket then you are wrong:<br /><br /><i>"In the second half of 2008, a Soyuz launcher will take off from Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana. This will be an historic event as it will be the first time that a Soyuz launcher lifts off from a spaceport other than Baikonur or Plesetsk."</i><br /><br />http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_Access_to_Space/SEMQ5P57ESD_0.html<br /><br />If, on the other hand, you are refering to the spacecraft then you are correct, but the ESA webpage also says:<br /><br /><i>"To ensure that Soyuz will still be able to carry out these missions from Europe’s Spaceport, the launch infrastructure has been designed so that it can be smoothly adapted for human spaceflight, should this be decided upon."</i>

 

[nacnud]

Griffen said the outer mold line of the CEV was fixed, is this still the case?

 

[giofx]

i'm italian too, and i'm all for space flight, so i'm for CEV as well as for Kliper (while i like a little more the Kliper design, tho...).

 

[spacefire]

maybe a shift towards a lifting body?<br />that would redeem NASA a little bit. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[nacnud]

So are their looking at something like spacerefs nose first design or more like the base first Soyuz style 'headlamp' design

 

[kane007]

Which may give T/Space a leg up.

 

[nacnud]

I think that t/Space are probably out of the running for the CEV, but the commercial ISS supply looks good <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[kane007]

Under that pile of horse dung is a horse.

 

[nacnud]

Eh?

 

[kane007]

Allways an optimist!

 

[mcs_seattle]

Help me understand what is meant by biconic. I keep picturing Jayne Russell....<br /><br />Mark

 

[kane007]

Simply imagine a bullet enter the Earths atmosphere nose first - all the shielding in the nose.

 

[mcs_seattle]

It sounds uncomfortable for the passengers. Would the entry be gentle or would the seats swivel to absorb the g's?

 

[kane007]

T/Space's CXV will swival.<br /><br />Take the link or wait forever for the attached pic to clear.

 

[kane007]

Ok the new details are released in Spring, but do you have a specific date?

 

[nacnud]

<font color="yellow">The Soyuz design. <br /><br /><font color="white">Orbital module as well or more like below?</font></font>

 

[nacnud]

<font color="yellow">What is this? Where is Orbital Module?<br /><br /><font color="white">It's my sketch of what a biconic CEV might look like, there is no OM in this sketch.</font></font>

 

[avmich]

Russian top space official once said, there is no way the Soyuz spacecraft is going to be launched from South America spaceport. The reason mentioned was that Soyuz need to be substantially modified to allow for launches from there - in part, because you need to take a lot of environmental precautions. And currently Russia isn't interested in upgrading Soyuz. Klipper is already in the federal space program, so all the (rather scarce) funds will go to Klipper development.<br /><br />Now, theoretically ESA can go to RSA and ask for specially modified Soyuz. But they'll have to pay the full price, since Russians don't see any use for that. And Europe won't do it - it's too much and just doesn't make sense, they have much better options with joining in Klipper development program.<br /><br />A variant of Soyuz rocket is going to fly from Kourou in a few years. The launchpad had to be modified for a newer version of the rocket and, again, for different environment (humidity, in particular). But on the other hand, together with these necessary upgrades other things are being done. Launchpad doesn't hold the rocket in the air, as all the other R-7 launchpads do. And, additionally, it allowes for much heavier rocket to be launched.<br /><br />It's a long story, but eventually one idea is that Kourou launchpad for Soyuze-descended rockets will allow to launch Klipper spacecraft. That is, if ESA will decide to pursue the joint Klipper development or use.

 

[gaetanomarano]

<br />do you see many <font color="yellow">"&%$#@!"&%$#@!O&%$#@!r&%$#@!b&%$#@!i&%$#@!t&%$#@!a&%$#@!l&"</font>on your screen or is only a problem of my browser?

 

[telfrow]

It was a problem here on SDC - the profanity filter "stuck"...it filtered everything. It's fixed now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[nacnud]

Yep lots of "&%$#@!"&%$#@!O&"<br /><br />I first saw it on one of your posts, I though you'd gone mad! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> It seems to be somethink wrong with SDC though :s