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mytheory

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<span style="font-size:11px;font-family:'LucidaGrande'" class="Apple-style-span">If there's even a small chance of this proton collision <em>experiment</em>&nbsp;doing something other then going pooof inside&nbsp;of that&nbsp;container then you better hold up!</span> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just read:&nbsp; http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.htmlIt's really not that difficult to understand. <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV><br /><br />Time here at work today seems to be moving very slowly.. has CERN cranked up yet? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Time here at work today seems to be moving very slowly.. has CERN cranked up yet? <br /> Posted by tampaDreamer</DIV></p><p>Yup, first full circuit has been complete!</p><p>However...</p><p>I just stepped on the scales and noticed I've gained three pounds!&nbsp; Darn that LHC!&nbsp; It's all those crazy scientists fault! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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It's to bad other's think of this as a game of sorts.. It's easy to go along with other scientists conclusions and feel reasured that you're most likely safe. But I like to ask as many questions as possible, however unlikely and unfounded they mite sound. I'm not willing to put all my chips in on Hawkings "theory", We're relying on invisible radiation that we're pretty sure is there, to stop anything horrible from happening, Are you seriously willing to risk it all on this, I certainly am not. Guess i'm the only one that believes life is precious and should not be __ with. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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<p>Meh!&nbsp; If anything bad happens, we won't even know what hit us.&nbsp; As long as I don't have to suffer, they vaporize the whole world for all I care.&nbsp; YAY!!! Another hysterical post from someone whose reading comprehension only seems to apply to all the nut-job websites!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "Make like Siamese twins and split... and then one of you die." </div>
 
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mytheory

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It's to bad other's think of this as a game of sorts.. It's easy to go along with other scientists conclusions and feel reasured that you're most likely safe. But I like to ask as many questions as possible, however unlikely and unfounded they mite sound. I'm not willing to put all my chips in on Hawkings "theory", We're relying on invisible radiation that we're pretty sure is there, to stop anything horrible from happening, Are you seriously willing to risk it all on this, I certainly am not. Guess i'm the only one that believes life is precious and should not be __ with. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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mytheory

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It's to bad other's think of this as a game of sorts.. It's easy to go along with other scientists conclusions and feel reasured that you're most likely safe. But I like to ask as many questions as possible, however unlikely and unfounded they mite sound. I'm not willing to put all my chips in on Hawkings "theory", We're relying on invisible radiation that we're pretty sure is there, to stop anything horrible from happening, Are you seriously willing to risk it all on this, I certainly am not. Guess i'm the only one that believes life is precious and should not be __ with. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's to bad other's think of this as a game of sorts.. It's easy to go along with other scientists conclusions and feel reasured that you're most likely safe. But I like to ask as many questions as possible, however unlikely and unfounded they mite sound. I'm not willing to put all my chips in on Hawkings "theory", We're relying on invisible radiation that we're pretty sure is there, to stop anything horrible from happening, Are you seriously willing to risk it all on this, I certainly am not. Guess i'm the only one that believes life is precious and should not be __ with. <br /> Posted by mytheory</DIV>Look.. No offense, but what are you ready to bet that your crazy 'theories' are just gonna fade by the wayside like so many thousands of others before them? &nbsp; <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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baulten

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Anything possible that could occur in the LHC has occured in the atmosphere a million times.&nbsp; Cosmic rays hit it EVERY SECOND.&nbsp; There is NO reason anything world-threatening could happen in the LHC that hasn't happened a billion times already.
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's to bad other's think of this as a game of sorts.. </DIV></p><p>It's too bad that some willingly remain ignorant of the practicalities and realities of a marvelous field of science and an amazing tool worthy as a modern Wonder of the World.</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's easy to go along with other scientists conclusions and feel reasured that you're most likely safe. </DIV></p><p>Yup.&nbsp; Pretty much. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>But I like to ask as many questions as possible, however unlikely and unfounded they mite sound. </DIV></p><p>Sound?&nbsp; You can ask questions.&nbsp; That's fine.&nbsp; But, if you stick your fingers in your ears when someone gives you an answer, who's fault is that?&nbsp; Go to CERN's website - http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html and READ the "answers" and explanations to your questions.&nbsp; "Unlikely" and "Unfounded" are not strong enough words to describe the continued insistance of merit you seem to wish to imply.&nbsp; The answers are not difficult to understand. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm not willing to put all my chips in on Hawkings "theory", We're relying on invisible radiation that we're pretty sure is there, to stop anything horrible from happening, Are you seriously willing to risk it all on this, I certainly am not. Guess i'm the only one that believes life is precious and should not be __ with. Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>You can't see gravity either.&nbsp; Yet, it's there.&nbsp; Do you lay awake at night wondering if it will somehow not keep you bound to the Earth tomorrow?&nbsp; Read the statements by those involved with the LHC.&nbsp; They love their children and families as well.&nbsp; Do you think they'd throw all that to the wind and blow the Earth to kingdom-come "just because?"</p><p>This time next year, something else will come up. Some new experiment somewhere or some scientific curiosity will rear its head and the folk of the fringe will rise, en masse', to demonstrate willful ignorance to one and all.&nbsp; Will you be in that mass of unwashed bodies yaulping across "teh intranetz" or are you going to start yourself on a different path by seeking to understand valid and credible responses to your questions?&nbsp; The choice is yours.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p>Information is the lifeblood of a modern civilisation. The media should be its heart, but all ours pumps is crap :)</p><p>Its very simple. It is not about trusting some theory. We know it is safe because&nbsp;particles of these energy levels are striking the planet every day and have been for billions of years.</p><p>Yet 'news' still comes up with headlines implying there is a plausible risk. They feel no responsibility to tell the truth, their only responsibility is to provide an audience to their sponsors.&nbsp;</p>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Information is the lifeblood of a modern civilisation. The media should be its heart, but all ours pumps is crap :)Its very simple. It is not about trusting some theory. We know it is safe because&nbsp;particles of these energy levels are striking the planet every day and have been for billions of years.Yet 'news' still comes up with headlines implying there is a plausible risk. They feel no responsibility to tell the truth, their only responsibility is to provide an audience to their sponsors.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The&nbsp;media should be like the heart of any ivilisation <br /> Posted by kelvinzero</DIV><br /><br />Are Scientists really this stubborn every where? I guess it's not in their DNA to explore different ideas and suggestions from other people in fear that they will be ridiculed by others, I think that's dangerous and cowardly sorry to say. In regards to the last post, I'm confused how you could compare the particles that collide in our atmosphere everyday, to this CERN experiment that's coming? I was unaware that particles in our atmosphere collide at precise speeds, aligned perfectly, with stable gravitational forces acting upon them and with controlled temperatures. If that is the case then that would reassure me and ease my frustrations greatly. Is this what you are saying? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Are Scientists really this stubborn every where? I guess it's not in their DNA to explore different ideas and suggestions from other people in fear that they will be ridiculed by others, I think that's dangerous and cowardly sorry to say. In regards to the last post, I'm confused how you could compare the particles that collide in our atmosphere everyday, to this CERN experiment that's coming? I was unaware that particles in our atmosphere collide at precise speeds, aligned perfectly, with stable gravitational forces acting upon them and with controlled temperatures. If that is the case then that would reassure me and ease my frustrations greatly. Is this what you are saying? <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV><br /><br />Your unawareness speaks greatly to your lack of understanding about the alleged threat.</p><p>In fact in our atmosphere collisions occur with higher energy under many diverse conditions of gravity, pressure, and temperature.</p><p>It is a far greater testbed to create mini black holes, yet we have not been devoured yet.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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prove to me these collisions are occurring in our atmosphere at speeds equal to or greater then the speed of lite, please. you and others are extremely defensive on this site, is this normal here? It appears scientists only take themselves seriously and to hell with everyone else. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>prove to me these collisions are occurring in our atmosphere at speeds equal to or greater then the speed of lite, please. you and others are extremely defensive on this site, is this normal here? It appears scientists only take themselves seriously and to hell with everyone else. <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV><br /><br />There are not collisions occuring at greater than the speed of light. That is impossible.</p><p>Cosmic and Gamma rays do impact the atmopshere at speed near the speed of light, much as will happen in LHC.</p><p>I'm not defensive, but when you indicate you have no concept about the things that happen all the time, what am I to think? It's that you don't have&nbsp; a basic understanding of what happens in the universe.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:12px" class="Apple-style-span">You said:&nbsp;There are not collisions occuring at greater than the speed of light. That is impossible.Cosmic and Gamma rays do impact the atmopshere at speed near the speed of light, much as will happen in LHC.I'm not defensive, but when you indicate you have no concept about the things that happen all the time, what am I to think? It's that you don't have&nbsp; a basic understanding of what happens in the universe.<p style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;border-collapse:collapse;margin-top:11px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:11px;margin-left:0px">&nbsp;</p><p style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;border-collapse:collapse;margin-top:11px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:11px;margin-left:0px">my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here.</p></span> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You said:&nbsp;There are not collisions occuring at greater than the speed of light. That is impossible.Cosmic and Gamma rays do impact the atmopshere at speed near the speed of light, much as will happen in LHC.I'm not defensive, but when you indicate you have no concept about the things that happen all the time, what am I to think? It's that you don't have&nbsp; a basic understanding of what happens in the universe.&nbsp;my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here. <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV><br /><br />Good grief kid!&nbsp; You're wrong.&nbsp; It doesn't mean anyone here hates you.&nbsp; It just means you're wrong.&nbsp; It sounds like everyone here DID listen and "pause to think" about&nbsp;your "contribution" and decided&nbsp;it was wrong.&nbsp; Do YOU believe everyone just because they say something? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "Make like Siamese twins and split... and then one of you die." </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You said:&nbsp;There are not collisions occuring at greater than the speed of light. That is impossible.Cosmic and Gamma rays do impact the atmopshere at speed near the speed of light, much as will happen in LHC.I'm not defensive, but when you indicate you have no concept about the things that happen all the time, what am I to think? It's that you don't have&nbsp; a basic understanding of what happens in the universe.&nbsp;my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here. <br /> Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>... The point in coming here is to LEARN things.&nbsp; Not to assert false ideas as true.&nbsp; Just because you're called out on being wrong doesn't mean anyone doesn't like you. &nbsp; </p>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here. Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>There is a point in making your thoughts public.- How is it that you are approaching doing that?</p><p>Are you just giving your thoughts and not listening to any responses?&nbsp; How beneficial is that for you or anyone else that responds?&nbsp; Do you believe that this is why people like to post on forums or do you think that people would rather have an "Exchange" of ideas?</p><p>The one thing about posting on SDC is that when you are wrong about a matter of scientific import, you will be corrected.&nbsp; Usually, that correction is metered out based on how you have interacted with others and how you present yourself.&nbsp; If you present yourself forcefully and harshly, you can usually expect corrections and criticisms to be given in kind.&nbsp; It's not personal.&nbsp; It just simply "is." </p><p>If you "KNOW" something and know it to be true, then sure, present it forcefully.&nbsp; But, you had BETTER know it.&nbsp; Otherwise, you'll get handed a virtual writ of censure by many much more knowledeable people.&nbsp; If you don't "KNOW" something but merely wish to explore the subject or hear other's opinions, then approach it appropriately.&nbsp; Nobody is going to curbstomp anyone who comes and asks honest questions and appears to want to really discuss the answers.</p><p>The simplest thing I can say is if you are unsure of yourself, then treat your discussion appropriately and read what people have to offer.&nbsp; If you are sure of yourself, you had better be ready to back up your claims if challenged.</p><p>It's nothing personal.&nbsp; Nobody here has the desire to get into personal arguments on "teh intranetz."&nbsp; But, you can not achieve "victory" in an argument simply by trying to yell louder than the other guy on SDC.&nbsp; You must have facts and verifiable information to support your ideas especially if they contradict scientific knowledge. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Are Scientists really this stubborn every where? I guess it's not in their DNA to explore different ideas and suggestions from other people in fear that they will be ridiculed by others, I think that's dangerous and cowardly sorry to say. In regards to the last post, I'm confused how you could compare the particles that collide in our atmosphere everyday, to this CERN experiment that's coming? I was unaware that particles in our atmosphere collide at precise speeds, aligned perfectly, with stable gravitational forces acting upon them and with controlled temperatures. If that is the case then that would reassure me and ease my frustrations greatly. Is this what you are saying? <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;who needs proof when you have wikipedia :)</p><p>&nbsp;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider</p><p>&nbsp;The fact is I cannot prove any of this in any scientific sense. I believe this sort of evidence because I cannot believe millions of scientists could lie in lock-step about the distribution of energy of particles that are hitting our planet.</p><p>Any group of people, scientists or whoever are diverse. I personally know a physicist who got a+'s in every exam they ever took and still entertains the notion we are visited by UFO's. This is good because it means every idea is going to be explored by very bright people.</p><p>As for what you can contribute, you can contribute enthusiasm to the notion of space exploration or any goal that looks outside ourselves.<br /></p>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You said:&nbsp;There are not collisions occuring at greater than the speed of light. That is impossible.Cosmic and Gamma rays do impact the atmopshere at speed near the speed of light, much as will happen in LHC.I'm not defensive, but when you indicate you have no concept about the things that happen all the time, what am I to think? It's that you don't have&nbsp; a basic understanding of what happens in the universe.&nbsp;my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here. <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>The resolution here is really quite simple.&nbsp; YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.&nbsp;</p><p>In the unlikely event that you decide to listen to reasons and to learn a little physics so that you can understand what is really going on here is a very well reasoned discussion of the safetey of the LHC experiments.</p><p>http://physics.aps.org/articles/v1/14<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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mytheory

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After several days of not posting I want to continue this discussion about particle collisions in space and our atmosphere. I mite not have approached expressing my ideas and theories in the correct way, so I'll try a different approach. I originally started this thread due to my concerns over the CERN experiment in early October. I am curious to find out if these collisions that are due to take place have been conducted and recorded before in other experiments? If so what were the top speeds reached and what were the outcomes, if any? Can anyone enlighten me? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...&nbsp;my response:&nbsp;Ok well I guess I'm wasting my time here, if I know nothing then I can't contribute anything. There's no point in making my thoughts public if no one listens or even pauses to think about what I've said before responding. I started a posting about black holes affecting galaxies significantly, even more then people think. That was a while back and seemed to create some excitement among others on here. I do not see many other threads that have 88 posts attached to it. But I may be wrong, like I keep hearing on here. <br />Posted by mytheory</DIV></p><p>It is not that you don't know anything.&nbsp; It is that apparently a great deal of what you know is incorrect.&nbsp; You might do well to do a little research and gather up some facts before forming and posting an opinion.&nbsp; Only informed opinions are of value.</p><p>Here is an example of a well-formed and well-supported opinion.</p><p>http://physics.aps.org/articles/v1/14<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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DrRocket,? I did ask a question in my last post, if you did not see..."<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:12px" class="Apple-style-span">I am curious to find out if these collisions that are due to take place have been conducted and recorded before in other experiments? If so what were the top speeds reached and what were the outcomes, if any?" I'm not sure if you can't answer this question and are somehow frustrated by this, or your just an A-hole/ mad scientist that likes bashing people... &nbsp;If anyone different would like to continue this discussion then great, if not then whatever.</span> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-weight:bold" class="Apple-style-span">@LEX</span> </div>
 
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