<font color="yellow"> is zero the only state in which infinate can actually exist?</font><br /><br />IMHO, for all intents and purposes, zero is "actually" non-existent (to make a pun). i maintain the cosmos to be eternal and infinite, ie, composed of <i>something,</i> many things, sprawling out to all reaches of the infinite. therefore, zero is really conceptual and is a model/symbol <i>only for computative purposes,</i> but does not mirror or describe an actuality. <br /><br />to give one example, from bb theory, of it's oxymoronic nature, we say "of zero volume" to describe the theoretical "space" of the primordial seed of explosion. and this is inoperable and untenable, a mathematical abstraction that our cosmology accepts as "fact." yet is entirely couched in total fabrication and abstraction. cannot be real and never was. <br /><br />