Is 0 the same thing as infiniti?

[brandbll]

That's all i'm wondering. Thanks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

Not in general. 0 is nothing. Infinity is everything (a very very large number - like my perceived age today)<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[brandbll]

infiniti is not a number because it never stops, like zero. Do you get what i'm saying? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

No. Zero never starts.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[brandbll]

So one thing never ends and one thing never starts? Then am i not right? They must be part of the same thing. It is very interesting trying to connect the two. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[spayss]

0 isn't nothing. 0 is anything but nothing and is the basis for higher mathematics. It took Western Civilization centuries to understand that there is an existence between plus 1 and negative 1. There is no year 0 but the year 1 AD and 1 BC.

 

[astroguard]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p><b>spayss</b> wrote: <i>0 isn't nothing.</i><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>Very true: zero is a number, which is significantly more than nothing. In particular, it is the identity element for the group (and ring, and field) of the real numbers under the operation of addition. On the other hand, infiniti is a brand of automobile.

 

[kyle_baron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_0<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinate <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

Would you rather have all of the delicious chocolate frosted doughnuts, or none of them?<br /><br />Seems like a hellish difference to me. . . . .<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[gsuschrist]

This is a science form? Egads. Don't they teach fundamental mathematics in school? How could anyone actually graduate from high school and equate '0' and 'nothing'?

 

[brandbll]

I could. <br /><br />Edit: Yes Mlorey, yes you are a spammer, and your doing a good job of it too. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[mlorrey]

This person is a spammer.

 

[kyle_baron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinate<br /><br />The zero link almost put me to sleep. However, the infinity link was quite interesting. Especially, the arithmetic properties involving infinity with itself and the operations involving infinity with real numbers. Just a few comments:<br />In the universe, space is infinitly flat.<br />In a blackhole, space is infinitly curved.<br />Does infinity have a starting point, which would indicate some kind of direction? I think BB Theory is a direction from -infinity space to +infinity space. Some people believe BB Theory goes from nothing to +infinite space.<br />Feel free to comment. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[brandbll]

So am i right in a way then? Is 0 the same thing as nothing or is it just some conceptual number? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[spayss]

No, you are wrong.

 

[brandbll]

What about the other two questions? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[bonzelite]

one could argue that zero is an infinite absence of something, as a nothingness state would exist perpetually and would not change --an infinite stasis. <br /><br />however, mathematically, the implications of infinity and zero differ considerably. yet we have the theory of the pre-big bang existing with <i>both zero volume and infinite density, coexisting in a paradoxical and non-believable condition that is mathematically inoperable.</i> therefore, undifferentiaed and primordial is this premise-state, that "everything" resembles every other thing in this state --including zero.

 

[brandbll]

"one could argue that zero is an infinite absence of something, as a nothingness state would exist perpetually and would not change --an infinite stasis." <br /><br />Ahh, this is what i was thinking. I some how made a connection, but i couldn't quite put it in words. So this begs the question then, is zero the only state in which infinate can actually exist? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[bonzelite]

<font color="yellow"> is zero the only state in which infinate can actually exist?</font><br /><br />IMHO, for all intents and purposes, zero is "actually" non-existent (to make a pun). i maintain the cosmos to be eternal and infinite, ie, composed of <i>something,</i> many things, sprawling out to all reaches of the infinite. therefore, zero is really conceptual and is a model/symbol <i>only for computative purposes,</i> but does not mirror or describe an actuality. <br /><br />to give one example, from bb theory, of it's oxymoronic nature, we say "of zero volume" to describe the theoretical "space" of the primordial seed of explosion. and this is inoperable and untenable, a mathematical abstraction that our cosmology accepts as "fact." yet is entirely couched in total fabrication and abstraction. cannot be real and never was. <br /><br />

 

[nova_explored]

but photons have zero mass and infinite energy.<br />because theoritically the only way to achieve C is by an infinite energy supply to cross the barrier into C because anything with mass that approaches C becomes infinitely dense and cannot therefore achieve C without an infinite sum of energy. so in this case 'zero' is a fact. and infinity seems to be its counterpoint. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[nova_explored]

"one could argue that zero is an infinite absence of something, as a nothingness state would exist perpetually and would not change --an infinite stasis.<br /><br />yes. that is exactly what the photon displays (its physics). the photon never changes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[drwayne]

"but photons have zero mass and infinite energy."<br /><br />No, photons do not have infinite energy. The energy of a photon is in fact definite, finite and related to its wavelength in the following way.<br /><br />E = hc/l<br /><br />where h is Planck's constant, c is the speed of light, and l is its wavelength.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

What I told you by the way is intimately related to the "photoelectric effect" - the explanation of which - in one of those bits of trivia that makes one popular at parties - won Einstein the Nobel prize.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

"the photon never changes"<br /><br />Actually, a photon that interacts with matter, or other photons for that matter can in fact changed. It's properties, such as momentum (which is finite as well0 and energy can change dramatically.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />one could argue that zero is an infinite absence of something<br />------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />I have 2 boxes, one is merely empty of delicious chocolate frosted donuts,<br /><br />and the other has been infinitely emptied of delicious chocolate frosted donuts.<br /><br /><br /><br /><b><i>Neither farking box has a delicious chocolate frosted donut in it ! !</i></b><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />{cripes, now I'm hungry <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />}<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>