Is 0 the same thing as infiniti?

brandbll · Apr 18, 2006

you need to get some breakfast in you, and quick. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard! </div>

vogon13 · Apr 18, 2006

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, donuts! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

why06 · Apr 19, 2006

spayss is on to something there in terms of space 0 is either a singularity or eveyrthing.let me put ilike this everyone has a perspective.... say there is this this huge number. line and your say stand ing at the 3 and 0 still seems infinitiley small to you. then you move to a spot numbered .oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo1 . Zero is still infinitely small even there, but when you move right on top of zero it is every where and all around you because it can be no where else. while it maybe physically impossible for two things to be at the same place at the same time, it is not mathematically impossible X and Y both =1. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ </div><div><ul><li>your move...</li></ul></div> </div>

why06 · Apr 19, 2006

no and yes it depends on your perspective. if zero merely acing as a point then no all number could be or not be infinite i dont no wich I've never been one dimensional. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div>________________________________________ </div><div><ul><li>your move...</li></ul></div> </div>

dragon04 · Apr 19, 2006

I would think that zero is the antithesis of infinity. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

bonzelite · Apr 19, 2006

good point. as well, absolute nothingness, an absolute zero existence, has never been directly observed, as it is only an abstract concept.

bonzelite · Apr 19, 2006

right.

dragon04 · Apr 19, 2006

Infinity is, or is not. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Forget the scale of it. Think in terms of simply yes or no. Then, if you apply the same terms to zero (nothing), again, the scale needs to be taken into consideration in absolute terms, I think. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

bonzelite · Apr 19, 2006

well, your queries lead me back to my first post, which is this: one could argue that zero is an infinite absence of something, as a nothingness state would exist perpetually and would not change --an infinite stasis. however, mathematically, the implications of infinity and zero differ considerably. yet we have the theory of the pre-big bang existing with both zero volume and infinite density, coexisting in a paradoxical and non-believable condition that is mathematically inoperable. therefore, undifferentiaed and primordial is this premise-state, that "everything" resembles every other thing in this state --including zero.

CalliArcale · Apr 19, 2006

One way to look on it is the act of dividing by zero. Theoretically, this produces an infinte result. So there is a relationship, although the concepts are not the same. Something quirky to throw into the mix: did you know that in some computer systems, there are *two* zeroes? Positive zero and negative zero. The existence of signed zeros is a mathematical absurdity, but depending on how a computer represents numbers, it may be inescapable. It presents interesting consequences for programmers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vogon13 · Apr 19, 2006

From time to time my insurance company sends me a bill for zero dollars and zero cents. When I feel frisky, I send them a check for that amount. Yeah, I know, it costs me a stamp, but special handling for a piece of paper probably costs them quite a bit more. Very entertaining for me, since I HATE THEIR FARKING GUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

yevaud · Apr 19, 2006

Good God, I just have to try that sometime. It sounds...quirky and in-your-face, all at the same moment. Damn, Vo, you're a farking genius. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

michaelmozina · Apr 19, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />IMHO, for all intents and purposes, zero is "actually" non-existent (to make a pun). i maintain the cosmos to be eternal and infinite, ie, composed of something, many things, sprawling out to all reaches of the infinite. therefore, zero is really conceptual and is a model/symbol only for computative purposes, but does not mirror or describe an actuality. <hr /></blockquote> I can see you've never tried to buy milk with just your good looks before. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I would argue that a credit card with infinite supply of good credit is infinitely better than nothin' in your pocket. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

vogon13 · Apr 20, 2006

Do you want another example with chocolate frosted donuts? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

michaelmozina · Apr 20, 2006

Given a choice, I'd rather have an infinite supply of chocolate frosted donuts rather than having none of them. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

michaelmozina · Apr 20, 2006

It seems to me your donut question pretty much ended the debate. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

bonzelite · Apr 20, 2006

i love chocolate frosted donuts.

nova_explored · Apr 20, 2006

but in a zero point field (an event horizon) a photon will retain its position, infinitely. Theoritically the light gets tired, redshifts and falls out of the space time continuum, but that breaks the conservation of matter law, so intstead, its wavelength changes, but its inertia remains the same. however when we convert its energy, it acts in a finite manner. so its the fuzzy QM at work again. that's correct, isn't it? when a photon interacts it completely changes its state? its no longer a photon? if i remember the QM here, that quantum state is responsible for wave/particle duality. once the photon changes, it is no longer a photon. once we make an observation, it no longer retains its original form- schroedinger's cat, right? slow a photon down and it retains its momentum because let loose again and it immediately reverts to its rest state - C. Stephen Hawking- "I am intrigued by your theory of a donut shaped universe, Homer." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

rfoshaug · Apr 20, 2006

Obviously, 0 and infinity is not the same. 0 is a specific number, infinity is not. You can own 0 cars. You can not own an infinite number of cars. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ----------------------------------My minds have many opinions </div>

Saiph · Apr 20, 2006

zero point field? never heard of it. Now...zero point energy I've heard of. The event horizon is merely a boundary condition, where escape velocity is less than C on one side, and greater than C on another, it marks a discontinuity in spacetime behavior. A photon crossing the EH does just that, crosses. The only difference is, there no longer exists a path back out, all the paths lead into the center. Also, a photon can interact with things, and still remain a photon, compton scattering is but one example of that where a photon hits a free electron, and continues on (different frequency etc). The photon's characteristics change, sure, but it's always a photon, just as the electrons characteristics change (it's now moving differently). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

nova_explored · Apr 20, 2006

zero point field is the same as zero point energy. i know it is sometimes referred to as a field when in a quantum field theory the fabric of space becomes the field and there is an infinite zero point energy (technically). and now, I was so trying to avoid this, we get into the nasty stuff of QM, and i was associating the effects of the photon in regards to the perturbation theory that is sometimes linked to black holes and the event horizon to help characterize dual particles, escape velocities, tired light, ghost particles, etc. The photon is part of that. you're referring to polarition or quasi particles. the photon can be created and destroyed. in these quasi states involving matter or coupling to move through matter, photons transform into the excitations, or get absorbed. but the quasi state must transform back to a photon in order for it to have its properties in tact. otherwise it has mass and cannot travel at c, which it always does, immediately upon re-entering its photonic state. but a photon on its own, doesn't change, ever. zero mass, infinite momentum (at c, there is no change, no internal clock. hold that photon in place, it will stay there forever. which is exactly what happens in a black hole at the event horizon) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bonzelite · Apr 20, 2006

i would hate to be a poor photon about to enter the event horizon. what an ugly lot in life <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" />

Saiph · Apr 20, 2006

from what I remember about how a photon percieves time...I don't think you'd ever be "about" to cross the event horizon...you'd be there immediately...and everywhere in between on your journey there. This is because time doesn't pass for objects moving at C. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

Kalstang · Jul 20, 2007

0 is the absense of something. Infinity is a WHOLE LOT of somethings. Infinity does not start with 0, it starts with 1. Infinity may have 0 in it but it cannot start with it, because in order for there to be an infinite amount of something there first needs to be something. However theoretically you can have an infinite amount of not haveing something. The real difference between 0 and infinity is that with 0 you know that eventually there will be 1. Whereas with infinity you will always have something, (or nothing as the case may be) infinity never changes. Hope you can understand all that. I just got off of work (I work graves) so I may not be that intelligable atm. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. "Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~ Guns dont kill people. People kill people.Solar System </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 21, 2007

(0)(x) = 0 (Infinity)(x) = Inifity They are two different numbers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

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