Mars the anomalies The moon too., part II

[MeteorWayne]

OMG it took them 5 whole days to figure it out!!!<br /><br />Must be deliberate deception of the world's people. <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><br /><br />gimme a break <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /><br /><br />thanx bobw. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bobw]

The freaking computer had core memory. You didn't go down to Radio Shack and buy the latest video card or color printer back then, either. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Mmmmmmm, butterscotch.<br /><br />I'll be making pudding tonight! {drool} <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bobw]

The way it was. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

ROFL....I remember those days.<br />The "large" 5 inch diagonal TV screen.<br />And those big, hot, glowing glass enclosed transistors <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">drfrank - This is an opinion based I guess on our understanding of Earth life. </font><br /><br />That is correct. Why restate it? I was not making a statement regarding something we don't know - The requirements for life on other planets. After all, we don't have any information regarding the requirements for life outside of Earth's system. But, what we DO know is that life on Earth requires water. That means that water is part of the necessary requirements for the lifeforms we are familiar with. That means that anywhere there is water then one of the prime catalysts for life "as we know it" exists. That means that a prime catalyst for life exists on Mars. That's the line of thought, laid out. I wasn't making a claim regarding alien lifeforms existing with radically different biologies.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">What could be going on in that little ball? Just a thought. </font><br /><br />The blueberries were changing clothes so the editors put up a modesty screen. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">dfrank - I understand what your link is saying. I understand what the illusion squares are saying. I disagree that’s all. It does not really matter does it? </font><br /><br />Of course it matters. Why else would anyone be discussing this with you if it didn't? Obviously, it matters enough to you to bring it up in conversation. Obviously, your opinion regarding "color" on Mars is interesting to others because they have responded to it.<br /><br />So, why do you disagree? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[dfrank]

<br /><br />I will try one more time. We are getting a lot of noise<br /><br /><br />The fact is we set up our cameras to the best of our ability. The sky came back blue. A person or persons made a conscience decision to change it. This took less than an hour or so. There was no exhaustive research, there was no peer review. The fact is they did not like the color of the sky and they changed it. Now what else are they changing? <br /><br />I remember it like it was yesterday. There were no software issues. Someone at NASA went around and changed the tint knob on the monitor, that’s how you did it in those days. Now days there is nothing you can’t do with a computer. You can produce anything you want and it looks real. You could show a cornfield on Mars if you wanted to. You could also take one out.<br /><br />I am not saying every thing NASA does is to deceive the public. They do at a minimum decide what it should look like. They plant the seed of doubt. What grows on that seed? Nothing good I can tell you. <br /><br />I will give you another example. The†Face†you may have heard of that. Now I am not saying that the face is an artificial structure. But why did they work so hard to make it not look like one? You can make an image look bad without changing the raw data. Again another example of NASA deciding what something should look like, not what it does.<br /><br />So here we are whipping this puppy again.<br /><br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[olddogcage]

I know I'm getting in on this a little late, and I haven't read all of the replies, but concerning the pictures here http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/121/mars-dark-hole.htm<br />Has anyone explored the possibility that is not a hole on the ground, but a spec or something on the lens. Looking at the enlarged picture, the black spot is flat against the lens, shielded from any light, making it black, the ridges are the speck peeling away from the lens.

 

[MeteorWayne]

You obviously did not listen to the post as to how the images are processed.<br /><br />There was no monitor to twist a knob on, it is all data.<br /><br />Now you are blowing whatever credibility you had when you say <br />"But why did they work so hard to make it not look like one? You can make an image look bad without changing the raw data. Again another example of NASA deciding what something should look like, not what it does. "<br /><br />Apparently you have no idea how the arrow of time progresses.<br />All the old images "looked" like a face.<br /><br />When higher resolution images came out, they clearly, without any manipulation whatsoever looked like a Mesa.<br /><br />If you believe what you say, conversation with you is pointless.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">I remember it like it was yesterday. There were no software issues. Someone at NASA went around and changed the tint knob on the monitor, that’s how you did it in those days.</font><br /><br />I normally don't post lengthy excerpts, but that statement begs for one - since you apparently refuse to read the links provided.<br /><br />From: On Mars: Exploration of the Red Planet. 1958-1978<br /><br />----<br />The first two photos of Mars received on 20 July 1976 were followed by a color photograph on the 21st. A lot of people would not forget that first color picture. Mutch tells the tale as well as anyone. During the first day following the early morning lauding of Viking 1 , his team was preoccupied with analysis and release of those first two images, "which, in quality and content, had greatly exceeded our expectations." So much were they concentrating on the black and white pictures, that they were "dismally," to use Mutch's word, "unprepared to reconstruct and analyze the first color picture."<br /><br />Mutch and his colleagues on the imaging team had been working long hours, along with everyone else, during the search for a landing site. Despite enthusiasm, people were tired. Many of the Viking scientists in the upcoming weeks would have to learn to present instant interpretations of their data for the press. For the first color photograph, haste led to processing the Martian sky the wrong color.<br /> <br />In a general fashion, Mutch and his team understood that a thorough preflight calibration of the camera's sensitivity to the colors of the spectrum was necessary. They also knew that they would need computer <b>software programs </b> to transform the raw data efficiently into an accurate color representation. <br /><br />"What we failed to appreciate were the many subtle problems which, uncorrected, could produce major changes in color. Furthermore, we had no i <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Olddogcage,<br /><br />I will tell you there has been a lot of discussion about the “Hole†not being a hole. Some image experts have seen things in the non-visible spectrum. Again theses my just be artifacts.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[dfrank]

Telfro,<br /><br />First of all the image was being carried live on TV. The tint knob was on the TV feed monitor. Old technology. <br /><br />The problem here is you know more about what happened back then than the people in the room. I was there, Where you?<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

I'm just curious. You claim you are a scientist yet don't offer anything more than accusations of impropriety against NASA. I see no evidence presented for your claims that stands up to even the most cursory scrutiny. (When there is any.) I see very little evidence based even on reasonable assumptions. I see no comparative discussion in your posts either. I have yet to see you offer rebuttal to posts refuting your claims by offering evidence to the contrary. Would "science" be served by holding itself to such standards? I don't think so. What field of science are you involved in? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[telfrow]

It's telfrow. Thanks.<br /><br />I never said I knew more than anyone else here. And the knob on the TV monitor was not the way the sky color was changed. Again, read the article. But I am going off details provided by people who were there.<br /><br />And you were in the room? <br /><br />As what?<br /><br />A reporter? A technician? Working for who? In what department? In what capacity? <br /><br />You've stated you were there. Now you need to provide answers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Telfrow,<br /><br />Sorry for the typo. Yes I was a subcontractor working on the communications truck crew. On that day. We were monitoring thunderstorms around one of the relay stations. That was my job. We had two alternates and we had to stay on the air regardless.<br /><br />All I saw was a man come over turn the tint knob and the sky was pink. Now that’s what I saw. If something else was going on I have no knowledge. We did not have a separate raw feed back then. Now they have several and a time delay to boot, wonder why?<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[pierround]

This first link is a place in Northern California.<br />You’ll see a black spot similar to the hole in Mars; to the right you’ll see what looks like a crater.<br />Now the difference is the green trees mostly and the atmosphere.<br /><br /><br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.265206,-121.799927&spn=1.139978,2.471924&t=k&z=8&om=0<br /><br />Zoom in on those two You'll have to move left and right.<br />

 

[dfrank]

Pierround,<br /><br />What is that an image of. <br /><br />Dfrank

 

[pierround]

It's a lake frank and what may be an anceint crater.<br /><br />Check it out.<br />Close up of what looked like the hole.<br /><br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.972502,-122.000427&spn=0.286369,0.617981&t=k&z=10&om=0<br /><br /><br /><br />Close up of the crater and it might actually be a real crater?<br />Notice that if it is, it is old.<br />And where do we build?<br />On the crater.<br /><br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.267206,-121.490936&spn=0.284993,0.617981&t=k&z=10&om=0<br /><br /><br /><br />Closer look at the hole.<br /><br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.956423,-122.115097&spn=0.143222,0.30899&t=k&z=11&om=0<br /><br /><br />Closer look at the edge of the crater.<br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.313188,-121.666718&spn=0.142389,0.30899&t=k&z=11&om=0<br /><br /><br />Even closer.<br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.31094,-121.711693&spn=0.071197,0.154495&t=k&z=12&om=0<br /><br /><br />Closer look at the hole. Which is a lake. <br />http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.93782

 

[pierround]

Crop of tailings.

 

[dfrank]

Pierround,<br /><br />Did they send cameras without zoom? Now that’s funny. Just because they had a camera that could see a missile from space in 1961 does not mean that NASA would put one on their satellite going to Mars, please.<br /><br />Look at your grayscale jpeg and be happy. I just got off the phone from my friend at Arizona State. Next week they may release some grayscale sand dunes in Russell crater. I can’t wait.<br /><br />Opinion <br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[billslugg]

I want to make three posts along with a claim. The two objects here are either artifacts of the imaging process or they are artificial constructs. In each case, the item drew my attention because it was unusually bright, and had dark pixels surrounding it in a pattern of black spots 90 degrees apart. In neither case, is there any pattern in the underlying sand that would indicate any drifting against the feature, any disruption of the airflow. <br /><br />Here is the first dot I saw: (Image PSP_001332_2620) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[billslugg]

Here is the second white spot I saw: (PSP_001493_1815) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[billslugg]

Here are side by side blowups showing the pixels. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Billslugg,<br /><br />Looks like a white thing, lol. Just for curiosities sake you got any idea what the size would be?<br /><br />Dfrank<br />