Moon Landings Faked? (and all other space mission fakery)

[Kerberos]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

He is trying to divide the skeptics and hide the legitimate evidence they have carefully documented and posted here. Sadly, it is a standard tactic used by the Moon-Landing True Believers when they cannot refute an argument.

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

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He is trying to divide the skeptics and hide the legitimate evidence they have carefully documented and posted here. Sadly, it is a standard tactic used by the Moon-Landing True Believers when they cannot refute an argument.

Getting a bit dramatic are we ....

 

[andrew_t1000]

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Let's put our tin foil hats on for a second and just for the sake of open debate say the moon landings never happened.

The initial video sent from the moon was received by the Parkes Radio Observatory, which is just outside of the town of Parkes in rural New South Wales, Australia, Honeysuckle Creek near Canberra, Tidbinbilla, again in the ACT and Goldstone in California.
The video from Parkes was "of such quality, NASA decided to stay with it for the whole 2.5 hour broadcast."
It was a big deal, the Australian Prime Minister of the day, Robert Menzies, was there, along with a whole bunch of people from the town of Parkes, assorted state and federal politicians.
How did the CIA or who ever brainwash all of these people?
Did the CIA somehow get a satellite into the right orbit so it would appear that the transmissions were coming from the moon? That one is a doozy! Because you would need a separate satellite for each ground station.

Another thing to consider is that I must be in on the conspiracy! Which is kinda wierd, 'coz I've never been invited to any of the meetings!
I was 7 years old and I wagged school to go to friends house, who's father was a hard core ham radio operator, he used his "moon bounce" ham rig, or at least the honking great dish antenna, with a RF spectrum analyser as a receiver to receive the transmissions from the moon.
He and his mates had even gutted a B&W TV set and modified it to work with 60 fps video.
I watched it live!
We were not the only people here in Australia who did the same thing, at the time Neil Armstrong was climbing down the ladder, the Moon had risen down under and had long set in the USA!

So "the conspiracy" involves the Australian Government, the Australian people, the British Government, remember Jodrell Bank radio telescope was used for a ground station as well.
The more you look into how many countries were involved with just communications makes the idea of a conspiracy less and less likely.

I don't give a rats whisker what anyone says, The Apollo landings were and still are, one of the high points of human achievement.
The fact that a whole generation of "commentators" see's the Apollo program simply as a cold war publicity stunt makes me sick.
Along with a whole new generation of kids that think it was all a fake is even worse.

ok, foil hats off now!

 

[andrew_t1000]

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I just found this on the CSIRO site!

http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_ev ... casts.html

So for all the conspiracy nutters, watch out those crazy ozzies are in on "IT" as well!

 

[Kerberos]

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Getting a bit dramatic are we ....

Yes, I am.

 

[abq_farside]

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I think Kerberos likes to pull your legs and is having great fun in this thread.

 

[ThisIsMyUserName]

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This subject is personal opinion based off knowledge (to the experience), or lack of. My only question is, why hasn't the USA, or any other country landed there since? Has our technology decreased over the years..? It merely can't be a financial problem either, so maybe we didn't land on the moon, but maybe we did - like someone already stated, if it is a conspiracy it can't be hidden forever.

 

[MeteorWayne]

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Actually, you are wrong. The answer is totally financial. No one has been willing to spend the money to get humans back to the moon since 1972...in fact the last few Apollo missions were cancelled for exactly that reason.

 

[Smersh]

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Actually, you are wrong. The answer is totally financial. No one has been willing to spend the money to get humans back to the moon since 1972...in fact the last few Apollo missions were cancelled for exactly that reason.

Yes it really is a great pity that the programme was cancelled but the cost had become untenable. Here's a site that gives some idea of the cost (I believe this is at 1994 rates , although why they picked 1994 I've no idea) ...

http://www.asi.org/adb/m/02/07/apollo-cost.html

I think most of the general public had become bored with the moon landings by the time of Apollo 17 (apart from dedicated anoraks/geeks like me that is and very likely many other SDC'ers who were around at that time - I was glued to my tv at every opportunity for every mission. :lol: )

I was very disappointed when the remaining three missions were cancelled. I was particularly looking forward to Apollo 20, (I think that was the one) in which one of the planned EVA's was for the astronauts to descend into a cave or something, if I remember correctly.

Here are some details about Apollo 18, 19 and 20:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lu ... 18_20.html

 

[CommonMan]

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Actually, you are wrong. The answer is totally financial. No one has been willing to spend the money to get humans back to the moon since 1972...in fact the last few Apollo missions were cancelled for exactly that reason.

Money, Money, Money, what could Nasa really do if they had the money they needed? They have great sciencetist, the know how, to do great things, the govenment waste alot of money on other non important stuff, we need to protest the govenment to give more money to Nasa. They will not listen unless we make them.

 

[Solifugae]

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The moon landings were obviously faked... coz a shadow looks wrong.

 

[abq_farside]

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The moon landings were obviously faked... coz a shadow looks wrong.

obviously :roll:

 

[Solifugae]

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Also, why can we hear Buzz Armstrong say "It's one small step for a man, but a giant leap for mankind."? If there was no sound on the moon, how could we hear that? And NASA expects us to believe we went into space. First of all, the Van Halen radiation belts would vaporize anything trying to escape the earth, and secondly the spaceship would freeze and explode due to pressure and space ice. I don't know how GPS or Mobile phones work, but then I don't own any of these, so maybe they don't. Maybe it is all another conspiracy. My father always told me that it was all the work of reptilians. I don't know whether that's true or not, but I do know that it's impossible to go into space. It is a bad place up there. It's all dark and horrible up there, and since dark is the opposite of light, and we humans need light to live, I think you would die.

 

[MeteorWayne]

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Fine, but I would rather you take your sarcastic fun elsewhere.

Believe it or not people check in here for answers to serious (if ridiculous) questions, so IMHO, we should limit the sarcasm content to less than 1 kg per post

Just to be clear, that's posted as a user, not a mod.

MW

 

[crazyeddie]

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What do you conspiracist folk think of this latest image from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter of the Tranquility Base site? I suppose you'll say it was doctored before conceding that we have photographic proof of the moon landing?

You can easily see the squarish descent stage of the lunar module Eagle, which looks washed out because of contrast enhancement — look closer, and you'll make out its footpads too. Dark trails are the paths made by astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin as they walked near Eagle and around the Early Apollo Science Experiments Package (EASEP).

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/70099067.html

 

[Smersh]

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Thanks a lot Eddie. That photo is a lot clearer than the previous ones released. On clicking on the photo at the Sky and Telescope link, a large high resolution photo appears (too big to put in a post.)

As for the hoax believers saying the picture was doctored, nah - course they wont. :?

 

[Smersh]

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Well, I have just tested out to see if the hoax believers say the picture is doctored or not.

I have just posted CrazyEddie's picture and article link to the high res version, in a thread in John Lear's section at Open Minds, in a thread entitled "Did we land on the moon?" here. (Reply #161 in that thread.)

Not everyone in John Lear's section is a hoax believer though - in fact there are a few who have been trying their best to debunk all the nonsense that gets posted - but the vast majority of posters there are HB's (including John Lear.)

So, I await with interest to see what the response is over there. :|

 

[Kerberos]

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Do you seriously think that an agency that lied about landing on the Moon and spent billions faking it would be above doctoring a photo? How charmingly naive.

 

[a_lost_packet_]

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...So, I await with interest to see what the response is over there. :|

I read some of the thread.

It's depressing to think that human beings could seem so stupid. I think even "stupid" is too kind a word.

/incoming rant because I'm bored

You know, it's not so much that they disagree with the whole Moon thing... I could stomach that. I could even appreciate it if they came up with some sort of plausible mechanisms and apparently credible evidence. But, they don't. They simply refuse to believe it and then spend years stimulating each-other and congratulating themselves for being "smart enough to have figured it out..." They say "Oh, it looks fake!" or "Lolz, teh wind on teh moonz, itz bloweng! LOLZ!" /facepalm

This is not to mean that all Moon Hoax enthusiasts and Landing Deniers are all of the same sort. Some seem to have some sort of rational reasons for their accusations. So, at the very least, they are high-functioning Moon Hoax enthusiasts. That's much better than the typical ones who are "willfully ignorant" and seem to enjoy reinforcing their ignorance through pursuing more of it.

I love people. I really do. I think people are some of the best people I know! But, some people should simply not be allowed to breed. Call it Social Darwinism, call it Eugenics or some other similarly harsh term if one must. But, it's simply a forward-thinking rationale. These people seem to be like an intellectual cancer, eating away at rational thought and spawning generations of the willfully ignorant.

Maybe there is an evolutionary mechanism present within human evolution that allows such people to exist? After all, when a big predator comes ambling up the trail, the smart ones will be able to hoot, give warning and run away. The deniers and hoax-believers get left behind. Having a seemingly random, free-floating "Moron" gene ensures the survival of those that are most likely to survive other evolutionary forcers requiring more strenuous activity like "thinking."

So, I guess we need people like that, evolutionarily speaking. They're the ones that remind us to look both ways before you cross the street, to not run with scissors around the pool, to keep small metal objects out of electrical sockets and to not allow your child to lie headfirst in a bucket of water. If it weren't for them, we may not have regulatory agencies focusing billions of dollars on protecting people from their own stupidity. We might not have "Flammable" warnings on packs of matches. Razors wouldn't have "Sharp" warnings and plastic bags would not have "Not a toy face-mask for children" printed on them. So, it's quite possible they are an evolutionary necessity. Mother Nature knows best, it seems.

Still, if they truly are some evolutionary safety valve, then I'd be willing to bet that we'd occasionally get a few no matter how smart the genetic legacy. Evolution has a way of seeming to work like that. Some things, you just can't weed out without extreme difficulty. But, considering the modern age and Youtube's impact on popularizing mishaps, blunders and stupid accidents around the World, I think we could survive with a few less humans possessing the moron gene. Youtube has a force-multiplier effect in today's modern world where the moron gene is concerned. So, it's evolutionary significance is enhanced. We simply no longer need as many to reap the same benefits.

So, they should be licensed. We should dedicate some agency in charge of putting Flammable warnings on matches and cigarette lighters to the regulation of the breeding of the intellectually dispossessed instead. If they are going to be a free-ranging moron, at least put a warning sticker on them.

 

[jim48]

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...So, I await with interest to see what the response is over there. :|

I read some of the thread.

It's depressing to think that human beings could seem so stupid. I think even "stupid" is too kind a word.

/incoming rant because I'm bored

You know, it's not so much that they disagree with the whole Moon thing... I could stomach that. I could even appreciate it if they came up with some sort of plausible mechanisms and apparently credible evidence. But, they don't. They simply refuse to believe it and then spend years stimulating each-other and congratulating themselves for being "smart enough to have figured it out..." They say "Oh, it looks fake!" or "Lolz, teh wind on teh moonz, itz bloweng! LOLZ!" /facepalm

This is not to mean that all Moon Hoax enthusiasts and Landing Deniers are all of the same sort. Some seem to have some sort of rational reasons for their accusations. So, at the very least, they are high-functioning Moon Hoax enthusiasts. That's much better than the typical ones who are "willfully ignorant" and seem to enjoy reinforcing their ignorance through pursuing more of it.

I love people. I really do. I think people are some of the best people I know! But, some people should simply not be allowed to breed. Call it Social Darwinism, call it Eugenics or some other similarly harsh term if one must. But, it's simply a forward-thinking rationale. These people seem to be like an intellectual cancer, eating away at rational thought and spawning generations of the willfully ignorant.

Maybe there is an evolutionary mechanism present within human evolution that allows such people to exist? After all, when a big predator comes ambling up the trail, the smart ones will be able to hoot, give warning and run away. The deniers and hoax-believers get left behind. Having a seemingly random, free-floating "Moron" gene ensures the survival of those that are most likely to survive other evolutionary forcers requiring more strenuous activity like "thinking."

So, I guess we need people like that, evolutionarily speaking. They're the ones that remind us to look both ways before you cross the street, to not run with scissors around the pool, to keep small metal objects out of electrical sockets and to not allow your child to lie headfirst in a bucket of water. If it weren't for them, we may not have regulatory agencies focusing billions of dollars on protecting people from their own stupidity. We might not have "Flammable" warnings on packs of matches. Razors wouldn't have "Sharp" warnings and plastic bags would not have "Not a toy face-mask for children" printed on them. So, it's quite possible they are an evolutionary necessity. Mother Nature knows best, it seems.

Still, if they truly are some evolutionary safety valve, then I'd be willing to bet that we'd occasionally get a few no matter how smart the genetic legacy. Evolution has a way of seeming to work like that. Some things, you just can't weed out without extreme difficulty. But, considering the modern age and Youtube's impact on popularizing mishaps, blunders and stupid accidents around the World, I think we could survive with a few less humans possessing the moron gene. Youtube has a force-multiplier effect in today's modern world where the moron gene is concerned. So, it's evolutionary significance is enhanced. We simply no longer need as many to reap the same benefits.

So, they should be licensed. We should dedicate some agency in charge of putting Flammable warnings on matches and cigarette lighters to the regulation of the breeding of the intellectually dispossessed instead. If they are going to be a free-ranging moron, at least put a warning sticker on them.

So you're not a member of the Richard C. Hoagland fan club? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Alx09]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z17WsAOgf4U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

 

[ZenGalacticore]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z17WsAOgf4U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Why don't you try posting some opinions, in your own words, instead of just leaving a couple of links to some silly youtube video. IIRC, the photos, at least, from the Moon showed the colors of the flag and the marcon-or whatever they call it- gold foil enwrapping the lunar lander, etc.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

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I think Vogon would agree that the free-ranging morons are tastier than the caged kind.

 

[a_lost_packet_]

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...So you're not a member of the Richard C. Hoagland fan club? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm a big fan! I think he's one of the best comedians out there! If it wasn't for him, I would also have trouble finding appropriate imagery to describe "huckster" and "exploitation artist." He keeps me entertained with his wild and crazy antics.

Of course, if he fell off the face of the Earth it wouldn't bother me much. I could just as easily find his quality of entertainment somewhere else.. like the Howdy Doody show. Then again, Howdy Doody did have some redeeming qualities to it. So, it may be a more difficult challenge to find RCH's degree of vacuous tripe somewhere else.

But, I have to give him credit - RCH pushes the limit of "stupid." He's a maverick in that area and well respected by fellow connoisseurs.

 

[indrek120]

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Big amount of doubters shows how great achievements moon landings were.