Moon Landings Faked? (and all other space mission fakery)

[marsandro]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?


It seems one group of "conspiracy theorists" is propounding the idea that
NASA perpetuates the "faked landings" idea itself. If that were true, it might
be possible that they themselves inserted the sound in question, along with
any other anomalies, for the express purpose of raising questions...although
I don't really follow the supposed motivation(s) for trying to cause people to
suspect that the Moon landings were faked...they obviously weren't...just
look at the foreign mapping probe data, for one thing...you see the landing
sites, plain as day....

Of course, it could just be a practical joke...even from within NASA...you can
edit OUT, or you can edit IN...and God only knows the motivation....

 

[yevaud]

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But who is paying the people at Mythbusters? That is the big question that no one seems to want to answer. Follow the money.

This guy is to blame. He runs everything!

 

[marsandro]

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By God, yevaud, I'll bet you're right!

It would take only one guy with access to pull it off!

 

[Smersh]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

It seems one group of "conspiracy theorists" is propounding the idea that
NASA perpetuates the "faked landings" idea itself. If that were true, it might
be possible that they themselves inserted the sound in question, along with
any other anomalies, for the express purpose of raising questions ...

Yes that's a possibility as well. (That pranksters inserted the sound that is.) The video I posted was from Disclose.tv which is like Youtube and is not an official source (until such time as NASA post their material on their own Youtube channel of course.)

I have searched to see if I can find the footage on a NASA site, including at the Project Apollo Archive but so far I haven't found it. As I understand it, the Apollo archive site is still being added to though, as it was only started by NASA relatively recently, so it's possible it may appear there in the future.

 

[dryson]

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Im quite certain that those that watched the launches from the visitors section can attest to the reality of the launchings that occured. I wonder if the Astronaughts that were killed on the launch pad was faked as well, Maybe John Glenn faked his launch as well. All of these people who continue to say that the Moon landing never occured are part of the Quantum Eraser Program. The people that are aprt of this program try to erase peoples minds by continually distorting the truth by using whitewashing and water boarding techniques to make a person not want to think about landing on the Moon. I am also quite certain that all of the trillions of dollars that have gone into NASA and the shuttle program as well as the I.S.S., ESA, JAXA and other space agencies are real as well. These Quantum Eraser Programs that continue to spout out their conspiracies are most likely the same people who are on prozac and zanax due to their illicit hallucinogenic drug use and cant grasped the concept of reality. They are also the same type of people that say that since they were not present at the event then the event could not have possibly have taken place.

 

[MeteorWayne]

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Sounds like some erasing has already gone on :roll:

 

[Kerberos]

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Im quite certain that those that watched the launches from the visitors section can attest to the reality of the launchings that occured. I wonder if the Astronaughts that were killed on the launch pad was faked as well, Maybe John Glenn faked his launch as well.

Astronaughts...heh That's the perfect name for those people who pretended to fly on those so-called Moon-landings.

 

[Smersh]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

It seems one group of "conspiracy theorists" is propounding the idea that
NASA perpetuates the "faked landings" idea itself. If that were true, it might
be possible that they themselves inserted the sound in question, along with
any other anomalies, for the express purpose of raising questions ...

Yes that's a possibility as well. (That pranksters inserted the sound that is.) The video I posted was from Disclose.tv which is like Youtube and is not an official source (until such time as NASA post their material on their own Youtube channel of course.)

I have searched to see if I can find the footage on a NASA site, including at the Project Apollo Archive but so far I haven't found it. As I understand it, the Apollo archive site is still being added to though, as it was only started by NASA relatively recently, so it's possible it may appear there in the future.

Just to tidy things up regarding Jack Schmitt's bag of rocks, thanks to Marvin over at Open Minds Forum who managed to find the original NASA footage ...

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v_1445052.mov

It shows the disclose.tv version was altered to make it appear like we never went to the moon. :roll:

 

[SpideroftheAbyss]

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Oh, God's Teeth, even MythBusters has debunked this myth.

Mother of God, make it stop.

/hideous and pitiful shriek.

!!!! That's what I was going to say. Even MythBusters debunked it. It truly takes someone with no concepts of physics and/or astrophysics to fall for any of the supposed hoax claims. My favorite part of that MythBusters episode was the very end where that girl says, "Yeah, I've heard it, and I tell them they're crazy." I didn't know about the reflectors that Apollo 15 had left on the surface, so I was pretty impressed with them being able to bounce a laser off the moon and get a signal back only at that location. That was cool. :mrgreen:

 

[CommonMan]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Oh, God's Teeth, even MythBusters has debunked this myth.

Mother of God, make it stop.

/hideous and pitiful shriek.

But who is paying the people at Mythbusters? That is the big question that no one seems to want to answer. Follow the money.

Come on, get real, you really can’t tell me you do not belive we went to the moon! Wake up, you will feel better when you give up on this BS pretence you are trying to make us believe in.

 

[draconis]

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I see why we were hired to Moderate this place. Yes, the moon landings were faked, and anyone with a critical eye can see the glaring mistakes in the various films. Counter-explanations are always glib and superficial, but people caught deep in the system will not directly discuss this honestly.

 

[origin]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

I see why we were hired to Moderate this place. Yes, the moon landings were faked, and anyone with a critical eye can see the glaring mistakes in the various films. Counter-explanations are always glib and superficial, but people caught deep in the system will not directly discuss this honestly.

And a very happy April 1st to you too!

 

[draconis]

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Yes, the system has made fools of you all.

 

[ReverendDan]

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How can one ever prove that anything happened. A mission to the moon might find hardware there,
but can such a mission ever say conclusively when and how it was placed there? If the hardware is not there,
could it not have been stolen by the aliens which might (or might not) occupy our moon and other
bodies in the solar system?

Reality is a much murkier kettle of worms than out limited perceptions deal with. Even eye witnesses
to events can never be sure that what they thought they saw was what actually happened, even if
such a concept of an objective truth of something "actually happening" really exists. Relativity did
away with the notion of an event happening at a certain time on the universal clock. How do we
know what it happened at all?

 

[GalaxyQwest]

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Finally, a voice of reason...or not.

 

[CommonMan]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

How can one ever prove that anything happened. A mission to the moon might find hardware there,
but can such a mission ever say conclusively when and how it was placed there? If the hardware is not there,
could it not have been stolen by the aliens which might (or might not) occupy our moon and other
bodies in the solar system?

Reality is a much murkier kettle of worms than out limited perceptions deal with. Even eye witnesses
to events can never be sure that what they thought they saw was what actually happened, even if
such a concept of an objective truth of something "actually happening" really exists. Relativity did
away with the notion of an event happening at a certain time on the universal clock. How do we
know what it happened at all?

What? Are you Confucius I am a red neck American; please explain it to me real slow.

 

[MeteorWayne]

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A------P--------R--------I--------L
F-------O---------O-----------L

Is that slow enough?

:lol:

 

[drwayne]

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His avatar is Laozi actually.

 

[drwayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Language aside, the message of Dan's post is consistent with one I have posted here several times in the past. A committed conspiracy theorist, if taken to the moon and allowed to touch Apollo hardware would simply respond something along the lines of:
(1) When did this stuff actually get put up here?
or
(2) How do I know that I am actually on *the* moon?
or
...

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Reverand Dan reminds me a lot of Reverand Jim on Taxi.

 

[SpeedFreek]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Heheh DrWayne, me too! From page 5 of this thread:

I would not trust a private tycoon, how do we know he isn't part of the conspiracy too? In fact, if they put me in a spaceship and sent me to the moon, and I saw the apollo 11 landing site, how do I know it has not been put there more recently? How do I know they haven't drugged me and hypnotised me into thinking I went to the moon and saw the landing site? And even if I did actually go to the moon now, it could never prove that we sent men to the moon back in '69.

Any photo can be doctored, any witness can be persuaded to lie, any evidence can be planted. Nothing less than witnessing something as it actually happens will do. But even that might have been an hallucination.

In fact, how can I be sure you exist?

 

[yevaud]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Reverand Dan reminds me a lot of Reverand Jim on Taxi.

"I don't remember anything since 1973!"

And I got where you got the "slow" joke.

 

[cosmored]

Partial Summary of Apollo Hoax Evidence

The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can't censor the evidence that's on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter "Apollo hoax" in Google, you'll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
(If this link doesn't work, do a YouTube search on "Apollo 15 flag waving")
At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

Here's more on the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9 ... playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... orses&aq=f
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There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid= ... 5081757736

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 587487066#

(The above video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" keeps going on and off-line. If the above link is dead, click here)
http://video.google.es/videosearch?q=a+ ... unny+thin#

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Here it is doubled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E

When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations) combined with wire supports in the later missions.
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If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
http://www.livevideo.com/video/7720A028 ... m-par.aspx
(4:10 time mark)

It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.
One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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There is no blast crater under the lander.
http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com ... cture1.jpg

That is discussed in this five part video series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQNZQdJFtI

The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA


People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... d+war&aq=f

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war-
http://www3.niu.edu/~td0raf1/history468/apr2304.htm
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media ... watch.html
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... media&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk

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Here are some videos.

http://es.youtube.com/results?search_qu ... type=&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoWabHSm_g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1gD2P-Po_Gk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EaV7QB_ReTw
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohDdNRq2Og
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIWhzTzLn0
http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/ ... lector.flv
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What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
http://video.google.es/videosearch?hl=e ... =N&tab=wv#
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Here are some articles.

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-with ... ibrel.html
http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
http://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
http://www.reddit.com/domain/northerntr ... ogspot.com
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com ... ng_24.html
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Moon_Hoax
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html
http://apolloanomalies.com/index.html

The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

Here's a link to the entire conference.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2487804641

This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0495966561


The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
(excerpt)
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeau ... /id82.html
(excerpt)
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoFo ... lenge.html
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... &hl=apollo

These two are important
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http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM
(23 parts)

The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8xLsQ1MIE
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/

The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php ... conspiracy
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.c ... hread=2206

They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/vi ... php?t=1222

It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeFor ... 03&t=51606

On this thread there's a debate between Jarrah White and Jay Windley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446557/boa ... 905495?p=1

Jay Windley is the most famous pro-Apollo person on the internet.
http://www.clavius.org/about.html

Jarrah White is the main hoax-believer on the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... faker&aq=f

Here's a discussion about the Clavius site.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125628

 

[cosmored]

Re: Partial Summary of Apollo Hoax Evidence

I know somebody is going to refer me to Clavius. Clavius is a government damage-control site and all the regular pro-Apollo posters on its forum know Apollo was a hoax.

[DELETED by Calli Arcale]

Calli: I welcome you to this site, but please be advised that we have a rule against using this forum as a venue to carry on feuds with other message boards. Any problems you have with Clavius or Bad Astronomy is entirely between you and them.

 

[origin]

Re: Partial Summary of Apollo Hoax Evidence

There is no way I am going to read a single thread you posted! The reason is that after reading the first line in your OP coffee shot out my nose - so I am ticked off, and won't play!

This is in the wrong place anyway it should be in the apollo hoax thread already droning on and on and on.....