"New" CEV pictures

[jimfromnsf]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/orion_contract_images.html<br />These have been available on other forums.<br /><br />Shows <br />the lastest 606 configuration<br />the "Minotaur" LAS test vehicle<br />The encapsulated service module<br />the four service module propellant tanks<br />The enlarged BPC to allow a APAS to LIDS adapter to fly on first two mission to the ISS.<br />The SM RCS clusters have no lateral but 6 - 25 lb fore and aft thrusters. The thruster are offset by 6-8 degrees, so by firing a fore and aft thruster, a lateral thrust is generated.<br />4 150 lb thrusters are mounted on the aft of the SM to provide a backup to the main engine<br /><br /><br />

 

[ckikilwai]

I always asked myself why some rockets have black squares on it, like the Titan II, Saturn V and also the Ares V.<br />Do they have some kind of function or is it just decoration?<br /><br />And thanx for posting, I hadn't seen most of them.

 

[jimfromnsf]

They are roll patterns, so that roll rates can be calculated from video

 

[PistolPete]

Thanks for the link. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Hey PP, good to hear from you again!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[PistolPete]

Thanks.<br /><br />Been real busy this past semester and didn't have much time for posting (or much else, for that matter). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[kdavis007]

Neat....

 

[docm]

From other links I found this one of the inside of the Orion mockup. Note the scale relative to the guys <b><i>standing</i></b> in it; this is not a cramped Apollo.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Caris A. (Skip) Hatfield, manager, Orion Project, and Cleon Lacefield, Lockheed Martin Orion Program manager, are pictured in the Orion cockpit at the Lockheed Martin Exploration Development Laboratory.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[solarspot]

Okay upuntill seeing that picture... I thought Gemini was spacious enough and the Shuttle was just overkill... guess NASA actually wants more headroom for guys like me (6' 2" tall lol think I read somewhere I'm too tall to qualify for astronaut) Wasen't Apollo fairly spacious already?

 

[docm]

Up to 2x as many passengers as Apollo. Check this big pic<br /><br />Interior....<br /><br />Note the couches; they're quite thin & fold down maximizing space.<br /><br />Imagine how roomy that would be with a 3-4 man crew, presuming the don't shoehorn in a ton of extra gear. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[ckikilwai]

Wow, that picture gives a good idea how big it really is.<br />But does it really need to be that big? I mean, why don't they use some kind of Soyuz structure, so they don't have to take all that space back to Earth.<br />That would make the Orion a lot cheaper I think.

 

[jimfromnsf]

Those pics only show the launch and entry configuration. It will change onorbit as Apollo did

 

[holmec]

good pics. Really enjoyed the cutaways showing interior of the capsule. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[holmec]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Wow, that picture gives a good idea how big it really is.<br />But does it really need to be that big?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I think the guys are standing on the back wall of the craft. If you look at the cutaways you will see that the cargo cabinets are flush with the back of the seats. The space where these guys are standing will be taken up by cabinets. So it really does not show the size of space available. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[j05h]

what it really needs in one of those cargo racks is a toilet. Otherwise it will be all-diapers from launch through ISS docking. <br /><br />The capsule is really large, even with those racks filled. <br /><br />J <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>

 

[jimfromnsf]

there is one, opposite of the galley

 

[j05h]

<i>> there is one, opposite of the galley</i><br /><br />Are you sure? Last I heard there were no toilet plans. <br /><br />If you have a link to a labelled graphic, that would be ideal.<br /><br />J <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>

 

[jimfromnsf]

WCS is a toilet. Sorry, the pics I have I can't post

 

[holmec]

Isn't there any diagram available saying what the cabinets are? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[jimfromnsf]

Lockers is the term, just like the shuttle

 

[elguapoguano]

Inside the CEV does look nice and large. Does anyone know how the total usable interior volume of the CEV compare to Shuttle? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ff0000"><u><em>Don't let your sig line incite a gay thread ;>)</em></u></font> </div>

 

[docm]

Shuttle: 66 cubic meters, plus the SpaceHab if present<br /><br />Orion: ~19 cubic me<br /><br />Dragon: 14 cubic meters <br /><br />Shenzou: 14 cubic meters<br /><br />Soyuz: 9 cubic meters <br /><br />Apollo: 6.65 cubic meters<br /><br />Gemini: 2.25 cubic meters<br /><br />Mercury: 1.6 cubic meters (55 cubic feet) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[holmec]

>Dragon: 14 cubic meters <<br /><br />I'd think that's cramped for seven people. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>

 

[docm]

Remember: steeper angle with 2 "decks". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Boris_Badenov]

<font color="orange"> Dragon: 14 cubic meters </font><br /><br /><font color="yellow"> I'd think that's cramped for seven people. </font><br /><br />It is cramped, but in that configuration it is only an LEO taxi. Elon has hinted the Dragon will be capable of Lunar trips. If that is the case I doubt that it will be loaded to capacity with passengers. <br /><br />edited for dumb grammar <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>