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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Your more than useful, your an asset.&nbsp; I'm sure everyone here agrees.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On the other point, while I appreciate the prompt info from the Phoenix team, having fun and running with it.&nbsp; I still contend we would all benifit from the PI "running with it".&nbsp; I say this not just as a fan or suporter of NASA, but as someone who seeks to promote it to as wide an audience as possible.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regarding Peter, and his attitude.&nbsp; I like him, he's fun.&nbsp; That is why I think with a little coaxing he would include us in the official hypothisis, not just the data collection/conclusions. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />Posted by thor06</DIV><br /><br />On the other hand, if you foolishly speculate, and are wrong, your credibility will be forever tarnished. I prefer the "say it when you know it" philosophy.</p><p>But I'm an old fart, so what do I know?</p><p>Actually, a lot, from hard earned experience :)</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">On the other hand, if you foolishly speculate, and are wrong, your credibility will be forever tarnished. I prefer the "say it when you know it" philosophy.But I'm an old fart, so what do I know?Actually, a lot, from hard earned experience :) <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000000">Bloody hell Wayne, I wish I knew even half of what you know. Your notes are invaluable & make a lot more sense than the vast majority of official releases & updates. keep it up, please.</font></strong></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Hi All,</strong></font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>About an hour ago, I received the following.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2" color="#800000">Contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-5011<br />Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.<br /></font><font size="2" color="#000080">guy.webster@jpl.nasa.gov</font><br /><br /><font size="2" color="#800000">Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726<br />NASA Headquarters, Washington<br /></font><font size="2" color="#000080">dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov</font><br /><br /><font size="2" color="#800000">Sara Hammond 520-626-1974<br />University of Arizona, Tucson<br /></font><font size="2" color="#000080">shammond@lpl.arizona.edu</font><br /><br /><font size="2" color="#800000">News Release: 2008-089 May 29, 2008<br /><br />NASA Phoenix Mars Lander Puts Arm and Other Tools to Work <br />&nbsp;<br />TUCSON, Ariz. - NASA&rsquo;s Mars lander is returning more detailed images from the Martian surface <br />and is now preparing its instruments for science operations.<br /><br />Phoenix transmitted a 360-degree panorama of its frigid Martian world, freed its nearly 8-foot robotic <br />arm, tested a laser instrument for studying dust and clouds, and transmitted its second weather report <br />on Wednesday evening. <br />&nbsp;<br />"We've imaged the entire landing site, all 360 degrees of it. We see it all," said Phoenix principal <br />investigator Peter Smith, University of Arizona, Tucson. "You can see the lander in a fish-eye view <br />that goes all the way out to the entire horizon "We are now making plans for where to dig first, and <br />what we'll save for later." <br />&nbsp;<br />Commands were communicated to Phoenix to rotate the robotic arm's wrist to unlatch its launch lock, <br />raise the forearm and move it upright to release the elbow restraint.<br /><br />"We're pleased that we successfully unstowed the robotic arm. In fact, this is the first time we have <br />moved the arm in about a year," said Matthew Robinson of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in <br />Pasadena, Calif. The arm deployment brings the Phoenix mission to a significant milestone.<br /><br />"We have achieved all of our engineering characterization prerequisites, with all the critical <br />deployments behind us," said JPL's Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project manager. "We're now at a phase <br />of the mission where we're characterizing the science payload instruments. That's a very important <br />step for us." <br />&nbsp;<br />After a health check that tests the arm at a range of warmer and colder temperatures, the titanium and <br />aluminum arm will soon be tasked with its first assignment: to use its camera to look under the <br />spacecraft to assess the terrain and underside of the lander.&nbsp; <br />&nbsp;<br />The robotic arm will later trench into the icy layers of northern polar Mars and deliver samples to <br />instruments that will analyze what this part of Mars is made of, what its water is like, and whether it <br />is or has ever been a possible habitat for life. <br />&nbsp;<br />Another milestone for the mission included the activation of the laser instrument called light <br />detection and ranging instrument, or lidar.&nbsp; <br />&nbsp;<br />"The Canadians are walking on moonbeams. It's a huge achievement for us," said Jim Whiteway <br />Canadian Science lead from York University, Toronto. The lidar is a critical component of Phoenix's <br />weather station, provided by the Canadian Space Agency.&nbsp; The instrument is designed to detect dust, <br />clouds and fog by emitting rapid pulses of green laser-like light into the atmosphere. The light <br />bounces off particles and is reflected back to a telescope. <br />&nbsp;<br />"One of the main challenges we faced was to deliver the lidar from the test lab in Ottawa, Canada, to <br />Mars while maintaining its alignment within one one-hundredth of a degree," said Whiteway. "That's <br />like aiming a laser pointer at a baseball at a distance from home plate to the center field wall, holding <br />that aim steady after launch for a year in space, then landing," he added. <br />&nbsp;<br />Lidar data shows dust aloft to a height of 3.5 kilometers (2 miles). The weather at the Phoenix <br />landing site on the second day following landing was sunny with moderate dust, with a high of minus <br />30 degrees Celsius (minus 22 degrees Fahrenheit) and a low of minus 80 (minus 112 degrees <br />Fahrenheit). <br /><br />The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with project management at JPL <br />and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions come from the <br />Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen <br />and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For <br />more about Phoenix, visit:&nbsp; </font><font size="2" color="#000080">http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix</font><font size="2"><font color="#800000"><font color="#000080"> .</font><br /></font><br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#800000">&nbsp;&nbsp; -end-</font></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong><font color="#000000">Andrew Brown.</font></strong><br /></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>On the other hand, if you foolishly speculate, and are wrong, your credibility will be forever tarnished. I prefer the "say it when you know it" philosophy.But I'm an old fart, so what do I know?Actually, a lot, from hard earned experience :) <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ok are we talking about the same person?&nbsp; I don't think "foolishly speculate" or "forever tarnished" are fair statements at all.&nbsp; Come on.&nbsp; For the two to be true, Peter Smith Pricipal investigator would have to utter the following; "I'm absolutly positve that brown rock is alive and talking to me."&nbsp; 1 day later "oops my bad it's just a rock."&nbsp; I think "educated guesses" caviat "don't hold me to this but...." , "this is not definative but..." would be just fine.&nbsp; Squyres wasen't 100% how tarnished is his rep? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>On topic:&nbsp; I'm curious about the effects of the layers of CO2 ice that covers this region in winter.&nbsp; What does this do to terrain/rocks.&nbsp; Does it move like a glacier?&nbsp; Rocks flat from compression?&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> <font color="#0000ff">                           www.watchnasatv.com</font></p><p>                          ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </p> </div>
 
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<p>What Would You Do First ...</p><p>After assessing the health and operating status of the lander, what would your first operation be ?&nbsp; Turn over a rock and see what it looks like underneath ?&nbsp; Do a test dig in some area deemed unimportant just to see how it goes ? Or head right to "Sleepy Hollow" and see if you can uncover ice ?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">What Would You Do First ...After assessing the health and operating status of the lander, what would your first operation be ?&nbsp; Turn over a rock and see what it looks like underneath ?&nbsp; Do a test dig in some area deemed unimportant just to see how it goes ? Or head right to "Sleepy Hollow" and see if you can uncover ice ? <br />Posted by mee_n_mac</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000000">I would think&nbsp;turning a rock over first then Sleepy Hollow.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000000">The rock has no doubt been there for many millions of years, so what's underneath may reveal much. Sleepy Hollow just looks like a dusty cavity, so I think turning a rock over first.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000000">Andrew Brown,<br /></font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I would think&nbsp;turning a rock over first then Sleepy Hollow.The rock has no doubt been there for many millions of years, so what's underneath may reveal much.<br /> Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>Maybe someone is hiding their spare door key there?<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div style="text-align:center"><font style="color:#808080" color="#999999"><font size="1">"I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them"</font></font><br /></div> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Jon & Lucas,Image below (also posted several pages back now).http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Various%20rocks%20sol%202.htmlI'm not too sure about the statement about the lack of insight into some of the rocks.Above are at least two pieces of basalt, complete with vesicles & are grey. Obvious in the extreme, in my eye. There is one in the Phoenix image above&nbsp;that is quite similar to one I have here decorating the top of&nbsp;the television, I bought back from Tenerife, Canary Islands. Same type of rock, but from very different places & planets.My question is this. The flat topped rocks, many appear to display layering & are lighter toned. To me at the moment, they appear sedimentary, though they could be very low silica lavas (less the 50%, making the original very fluid), but their colours seem to rule that out.Hopefully the MRO HiRISE will case out the entire area, including Heimdall Crater&nbsp;&&nbsp;the high resolution Phoenix Lander colour images of the southern&nbsp;horizon&nbsp;with the hills, will certainly help. 1). Is Hiemdall Crater the result of an impact on either volcanic or sedimentary rock?2). Are the hills on the southern horizon as seen by Phoenix volcanic or sedimentary?3). What is the source of the basalt at the Phoenix Landing site?Lots & lots & lots of questions. Only got between 90 to 150 sols though, before Phoenix freezes up in the cryonically cold & increasingly dark&nbsp;conditions at that location.Andrew Brown. <br /> Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The scarcity of the volcanic rocks on site makes me think they are foreigners, they are also very rounded, which could imply that they were ballistaclly thrown out during eruption or that they have been weathered and/or transported. The flat light toned rocks do seem very sedimentary to me, and their abundance leads me to believe that they are the local country rock. Their color would generally rule them out as volcanic. (there are exceptions of course). They appear to have a 'shale-like' cleavage, but this may be an erosional feature. I am waiting with baited breathe for a close up of one of those guys.&nbsp; </p><p>At around 70 degrees azimuth, -25 altitude on the panorama, there is something very interesting going on. It seems there may be the remnants of a stratigraphic rock unit that is eroding away. I think I may be letting my imagination run wild, but some more hi res images should clear that up.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I would think&nbsp;turning a rock over first then Sleepy Hollow.The rock has no doubt been there for many millions of years, so what's underneath may reveal much. Sleepy Hollow just looks like a dusty cavity, so I think turning a rock over first.Andrew Brown, <br /> Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>Yes I hope they would poke around a little before beginning the big dig. A few rock close ups, and turn-overs etc. I think they may also dig a few little trenches first to get a handle on the dirt they're dealing with. I am pretty excited to see what's under Phoenix though!&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#3366ff">Yes I hope they would poke around a little before beginning the big dig. <br /></font><strong>Posted by lucaspf</strong></DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'd guess they are driven by the possibility of equipment failure in the first instance.&nbsp; Best to get the primary science tasks completed ASAP, as you can never be sure a critical failure isn't just around the corner.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SK&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/11/9c68ea61-7b5b-4491-9b9b-0e4953f7517f.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>
 
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Man, it would be great if we longshot a confirmation of alien life on this mission. Doubt it, but it would be kewl.&nbsp; Great to see my home nation of Canada land something on Mars, alas, with Phoenix! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - </p><p>The Multiversal Space Colonization + Advancement Organization: </p><p>http://MSCAO.999.Org</p><p>|m|</p> </div>
 
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<p><strong><font size="2">Hi Lucas, thanks for the heads up. </font></strong><strong><font size="2"><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/4/d2d28f8b-abc8-4009-a40a-a5f3185f3b98.Medium.gif" alt="" /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Whilst I've been chucking images up on here, I have not really had the time to properly look at them as yet.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">It does look quite similar to some of the bed rock that MER B Opportunity has studied in Meridiani Planum, raising the possibility that the landing site of Phoenix IS an ancient sea bed.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">I am still curious as the the source of the few volcanic rocks though. </font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Below is a crop & enlargement of Azm 70&nbsp; alt -25 deg & yes I see what you mean.</font></strong> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/15/691d7a7b-b19e-49d5-bf75-f6e50d73d261.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p><p><strong><font size="2">I can be pretty&nbsp;sure that Jon Clarke will have an opinion when he logs in.</font></strong></p><p><font size="2" color="#000080"><strong>http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/70%20deg%20Az,%20-25%20deg%20Phoenix.html</strong></font><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/14/a88a66ab-0e83-4c5f-ae0d-35865f77af29.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br /><strong><font size="2">I will be back later (as SDC members quit their membership on learning that threat, er news).</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><strong><font size="2">Large 'cleaner' 360 degree panorama below.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000080">http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/360%20degree%20pan%20large%20Phoenix.html</font></strong><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/5/852be4f5-24e2-4407-9548-6ab7dad92ffe.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/9/5a8c9256-4946-453a-a9b3-02deb2a4df27.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p>Click <strong>here </strong>for hi-res version <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /> </p><p><strong><font color="#008000"> Explanation: In this sweeping view, the 10 kilometer-wide crater Heimdall lies on the north polar plains of Mars. But the bright spot highlighted in the inset is the Phoenix lander parachuting toward the surface. The amazing picture was captured on May 25th by the HiRISE camera onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Though the lander looks like it might be dropping straight into Heimdall, it is really descending about 20 kilometers in front of the crater, in the foreground of the scene. The orbiter was 760 kilometers away from Phoenix when picture was taken, at an altitude of 310 kilometers. Subsequently the orbiter's camera was also able to image the lander on the surface. The parachute attached to the backshell and the heat shield were identified in the image, scattered nearby. Of course, the Phoenix lander itself is now returning much closer views of its landing site as it prepares to dig into the Martian surface. </font></strong> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Lucas, thanks for the heads up. Whilst I've been chucking images up on here, I have not really had the time to properly look at them as yet.It does look quite similar to some of the bed rock that MER B Opportunity has studied in Meridiani Planum, raising the possibility that the landing site of Phoenix IS an ancient sea bed.I am still curious as the the source of the few volcanic rocks though. Below is a crop & enlargement of Azm 70&nbsp; alt -25 deg & yes I see what you mean. I can be pretty&nbsp;sure that Jon Clarke will have an opinion when he logs in.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/70%20deg%20Az,%20-25%20deg%20Phoenix.htmlI will be back later (as SDC members quit their membership on learning that threat, er news).Andrew Brown. <br /> Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;Andrew,</p><p>&nbsp;We are on the brink of testing the ancient sea bed hypothesis. I believe that Phoenix is sitting on one. But I may be wrong, much to my dismay. God Speed Phoenix.</p><p>P.S. The Phoenix Wikipedia page has a great image of polygon terrain on earth in northern Canada. The similarity is striking. You should all check it out.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p>What's this?</p><p>http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=935&cID=25</p><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_935.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="512" /></p><p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think if Phoenix had a fan club this would be it.Are there any other major forums on the net that deal with space exploration/mars?&nbsp;As a geologist I am very excited to see what interpretations come out of the science team in the coming weeks. It's nice to get some scale perception on those rocks, they are smaller than I would have assumed.&nbsp;Finally, as a busy student, those scribble notes are definately appreciated! <br />Posted by lucaspf</DIV><br /><br />Try google 'unmanned spaceflight'.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Jon & Lucas</p><p>....at least two pieces of basalt, complete with vesicles & are grey. Obvious in the extreme, in my eye. There is one in the Phoenix image above&nbsp;that is quite similar to one I have here decorating the top of&nbsp;the television, I bought back from Tenerife, Canary Islands. Same type of rock, but from very different places & planets.My question is this. </p><p>The flat topped rocks, many appear to display layering & are lighter toned. To me at the moment, they appear sedimentary, though they could be very low silica lavas (less the 50%, making the original very fluid), but their colours seem to rule that out.&nbsp;</DIV></p><p>Hi Andrew</p><p>We have to be careful about jumping to conclusions.&nbsp; The first type of rock is grey and pitted,&nbsp; It could be vesicular basalt, but other explanations are possible.&nbsp; It might be massive&nbsp;basalt with weathering pits.&nbsp; Or porphyritic basalt with the phenocrysts weathering out.&nbsp; Or mudstone with small pebbles that are weathering out.&nbsp; Or even a mudstone with small ice segrations that have sublimed away. </p><p>The second type does seem to have a platey parting.&nbsp; Sediments are&nbsp;a definitely a possibility.</p><p>As to the orign of te mixture of types I can think of several possibilities:&nbsp; Interlayered type 1 and 2, broken up by impacts&nbsp;and mixed by pemrafrost activity. Mixed impact ejecta. Or clasts of 1 in 2.</p><p>Jon<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Hi AndrewWe have to be careful about jumping to conclusions.&nbsp; The first type of rock is grey and pitted,&nbsp; It could be vesicular basalt, but other explanations are possible.&nbsp; It might be massive&nbsp;basalt with weathering pits.&nbsp; Or porphyritic basalt with the phenocrysts weathering out.&nbsp; Or mudstone with small pebbles that are weathering out.&nbsp; Or even a mudstone with small ice segrations that have sublimed away. The second type does seem to have a platey parting.&nbsp; Sediments are&nbsp;a definitely a possibility.As to the orign of te mixture of types I can think of several possibilities:&nbsp; Interlayered type 1 and 2, broken up by impacts&nbsp;and mixed by pemrafrost activity. Mixed impact ejecta. Or clasts of 1 in 2.Jon <br />Posted by jonclarke</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Cheers Jon. </strong></font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>I have not really had&nbsp;a lot of time to really look at the images in great detail, but was basing on what, I have seen & handled in my own experience, in the Canary Islands & Italy. </strong></font></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>One piece in particular does look like vesicular basalt, though as you say, it is too early to be sure&nbsp;what it really is.</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="2">Interesting picture below.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2" color="#000080">http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/233283main_RS004EFF896573565_10F86MDM1.html</font></strong><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/1/f331c137-875c-44b8-a14c-22b95937505a.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br /><span style="font-size:12pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#000000"><font size="3"><strong>Before the Robotic Arm starts digging in the Martian Tundra in front of the Mars Phoenix Lander, the Robotic Arm Camera will look underneath the Pheonix Lander, to check for stability, to ensure the that all three legs are on firm ground & that Phoenix will not wobble during digging. </strong></font></font></span></p><span style="font-size:12pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#000000"><strong><font size="3">Also the upshot of this exercise will be a chance to look at the ground underneath Phoenix & also maybe see what is under the solar arrays</font>.</strong></font></span> <p><font size="3"><strong>Andrew Brown.</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">What's this?http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=935&cID=25Try google 'unmanned spaceflight'.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />Posted by Philotas</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Its a small memorial plaque on the side of Phoenix to honour people who have worked on the Mars Surveyor 2001 / &nbsp;Mars Phoenix Lander project, who have passed away.</font></strong> <br /><br /><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Its a small memorial plaque on the side of Phoenix to honour people who have worked on the Mars Surveyor 2001 / &nbsp;Mars Phoenix Lander project, who have passed away. Andrew Brown. <br />Posted by 3488</DIV><br /><br />Thanks. I should probably have read more into the mission; I admit I was rather surprised when I saw some readable text amidst all the pictures of the Martian landscape. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p>Last regular Phoenix Briefing about to start</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p>Ok... 19.59 local time (NL)</p><p>chips, peanuts and beer ready</p><p>I am in front of NASA TV !</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p>Bwahahha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Dig site code name - &nbsp;&nbsp; Humpty Dumpty.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>PROOF NASA has a sense of humor! :p </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Bwahahha&nbsp;Dig site code name - &nbsp;&nbsp; Humpty Dumpty.&nbsp;PROOF NASA has a sense of humor! :p <br />Posted by neuvik</DIV><br /><br />I heard that.&nbsp; Got a chuckle myself! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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<p>The last broadcast in a while</p><p>makes me sad.</p><p>Gladly some good news about possible ice exposed under phoenix.</p><p>That would be something</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The last broadcast in a whilemakes me sad.Gladly some good news about possible ice exposed under phoenix.That would be something <br />Posted by efron_24</DIV><br /><br />I wonder if the blast from the thrusting jets cleared some debris to see raw ice?</p><p>I'm jonesing for more information.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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