Phoenix surface mission

3488 · May 30, 2008

Last Press conference until Tuesday owing to the STS-124 Discovery mission carrying the second component of the Japanese KIBO module to the ISS. Internet updates will continue as normal.Sol 4 updates.LIDAR plot showing dust density above Phoenix to an alitude of 5,000 metres, over 12 minutes. During those twelve minutes, increasing overhead dust was apparent (the dustier, the redder the plot). http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/LIDAR%20plot%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/12/f979a002-9a49-435e-8c0d-10176e79c1ef.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Sol 4 weather data. A little dustier skies than previous sols, but generally no change. Sol 4 Maximum: -30 C / -22 F. Sol 4 Minimum: -80 C / -112 F.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%204%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/4/504dd07f-c31f-49e8-a4f6-dcab69b86fe8.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> View from Robotic Arm Camera showing a little way UNDER Phoenix. Small blocks that could be either ice or rock. We'll know more in the coming sols. http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Ice%20or%20rocks%20under%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/12/4599602c-0001-40a1-9cac-08c0b4f3a3ca.Medium.jpg" alt="" />This is very interesting indeed for site characterisation & those interested in Geology, or in the case Areology. Eight times vertical exagerated horizon 360 degree panorama, corresponding to yesterday's first full panorama. http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Eight%20X%20vertical%20exagerated%20view%20of%20horizon%20%20same%20pan%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/3/e0490477-c77e-4e0e-83ae-df9144dec3ea.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

thor06 · May 30, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Last Press conference until Tuesday owing to the STS-124 Discovery mission carrying the second component of the Japanese KIBO module to the ISS. Posted by 3488</DIV> It is a shame the 2 coincide.  NASA TV goes months with little to air, now there is too much.  Famine 2 feast...oh well, it sure is exiting for us.  side note: Check out this crazynesshttp://www.space.com/common/community/forums/?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a919516d3-6a16-4091-a018-c9869b0fababForum%3acbbb7ac5-3343-44c2-9979-1ca615cd3aa0Discussion%3aa3a67033-ccb1-40df-9393-ddff6a5ab1fa&plckCategoryCurrentPage=0  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> www.watchnasatv.com ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </div>

Testing · May 30, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Large 'cleaner' 360 degree panorama below.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/360%20degree%20pan%20large%20Phoenix.htmlAndrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> TEGA, Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer instrument has a glitch. Appears one of two filaments shorted.http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/080530-phoenix-mission-update.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · May 30, 2008

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080530.html It's from the same release as the one that mentioned the elecrtical glitch.  Even Imaginova is not immune from the "Let's focus on the negative" slant of so much reporting on space.It is obviously something massive and resistant.  It could be bedrock, a hardpan layer or a large rock rather than ice.  But there are no bedrock exposures in the HiRISE image or ground panorama and large rocks are very few.  Given the strong liklihood of ice just beneath the surface it is quite likely this is what we are seeing.  Not certain of course, until it is analysed. Hardpans were seen in one of the Viking sites, Viking 2, I think.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

SpaceKiwi · May 30, 2008

I'm interested in the item I've circled.  Is that an image artifact, or just what is it?  The patterning looks almost organic.  Has Phoenix uncovered the first 'sea shell' of the mission!  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> SK  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/7/862e6d02-e2c5-448c-8752-2607502c3575.Medium.gif" alt="" />  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/8/62aedc42-6d1f-4a8b-88c2-d4671cf4b85d.Medium.bmp" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Who is this superhero? Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bring Back The Black! </div>

Boris_Badenov · May 30, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm interested in the item I've circled.  Is that an image artifact, or just what is it?  The patterning looks almost organic.  Has Phoenix uncovered the first 'sea shell' of the mission!   SK    Posted by SpaceKiwi</DIV>That is very plainly not a Sea Shell, it's a Snail Shell. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

JonClarke · May 30, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm interested in the item I've circled.  Is that an image artifact, or just what is it?  The patterning looks almost organic.  Has Phoenix uncovered the first 'sea shell' of the mission!   SK    Posted by SpaceKiwi</DIV>And it begins.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

Philotas · May 31, 2008

Here's more possible ice: <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/10/d028755c-5bff-491c-ba4e-5bce0c806c22.Medium.jpg" alt="" />http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=1018&cID=26 (original up-side down verion) If the image is enhanced, it looks if there could more ice in the picture; but the resolution is low: <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/9/a0009b0d-3824-4e82-b926-09aad2c78936.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here's more possible ice:http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=1018&cID=26(original up-side down verion) If the image is enhanced, it looks if there could more ice in the picture; but the resolution is low: Posted by Philotas</DIV>That's amazing!  The substrate is very pale even in shadow, suggesting it is really light, not just causing sapuration of the pizels because of exposure contrast.  Note how the exhaust seems to have mounded the soil into piles.  It must be very loose.Some of the soil close ups show very bright fragments too, which I have wondered if they could be ice. http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=1015&cID=26Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

3488 · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's amazing!  The substrate is very pale even in shadow, suggesting it is really light, not just causing sapuration of the pizels because of exposure contrast.  Note how the exhaust seems to have mounded the soil into piles.  It must be very loose.Some of the soil close ups show very bright fragments too, which I have wondered if they could be ice. http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=1015&cID=26Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>Hi everyone.Thank you for the updates. I've just gotten up, I've just slept, slept & slept. Been busy at work this week & also staying up late for Phoenix updates.I think  the tension leading up to EDL & the post successful EDL activities have finally caught up with me.I have blown up & sharpened the look under Phoenix, it's come out very well. See what you mean about the substrate, cleared of dust by the landing thrusters from Phoenix.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Robotic%20Arm%20looks%20under%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/5/d34ca0ba-d7eb-4760-8511-085871711c82.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Enlargement, crop  & enhancenment of substrate nearest the camera.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Robotic%20Arm%20looks%20under%20Phoenix%20crop.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/14/6168b832-47e1-4011-8ee5-8195628d6b1f.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Some of the small fragments cleared by the descent thusters of Phoenix look very bright.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Phoenix%20sol%205%20small%20rocks.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/2/e5339742-dc1a-4689-8262-1ef6197b23dd.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

nimbus · May 31, 2008

Are the phoenix. and fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu UofA web pages timing out for anyone else? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Are the phoenix. and fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu UofA web pages timing out for anyone else? Posted by nimbus</DIV>Hi Nimbus,Yes they are & its a pain. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/13/85104be7-28bd-4f34-9d11-c1888208b45f.Medium.gif" alt="" />However the NASA Phoenix site is working very well.  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/10/3c2e1517-592d-4de4-bab3-b33f52a510cd.Medium.gif" alt="" /> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.htmlAndrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

Swampcat · May 31, 2008

Thanks everyone for the images. I'm trying to catch up after a busy week.Very interesting images from under Phoenix. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

Boris_Badenov · May 31, 2008

Has there been an update on the "Glitch"? I'd sure like to know how serious it really is, rather than what crap I hear on the boob tube. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div> </div>

3488 · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks everyone for the images. I'm trying to catch up after a busy week.Very interesting images from under Phoenix. Posted by Swampcat</DIV>You are more then welcome Swampcat. It is a real privilidge to be able to do this for the community. Phoenix is a fantastic mission, I am still getting over the successful EDL, after the emotional & mental energy that I have spent on this mission, to help make it happen, so yes, I intend to spread the scientific bounty to everyone who is interested.I agree, it does look VERY interesting under Phoenix. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/6/0295e55c-54bd-476d-96b9-bcd4572301b0.Medium.gif" alt="" /> I wonder if that is ice Phoenix has uncovered?  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/1/5de5875c-4401-4089-91fe-5ae6f64050bd.Medium.gif" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

thor06 · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You are more then welcome Swampcat. It is a real privilidge to be able to do this for the community. Phoenix is a fantastic mission, I am still getting over the successful EDL, after the emotional & mental energy that I have spent on this mission, to help make it happen, so yes, I intend to spread the scientific bounty to everyone who i interested.I agree, it does look VERY interesting under Phoenix.  I wonder if that is ice Phoenix has uncovered?  Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>That photo of the underside is very interesting.  There was a unified "wow!" here, when we all looked at it.  I feel like a kid at x-mas after opening a couple of presents, excited, happy, and the best is still to come. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> www.watchnasatv.com ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </div>

Philotas · May 31, 2008

NASA has posted a brief comment on the bright patches here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080531.htmlIt is still not ruled out that it could be something else [other than ice]. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>NASA has posted a brief comment on the bright patches here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080531.htmlIt is still not ruled out that it could be something else [other than ice]. Posted by Philotas</DIV> Sure looks pretty interesting, though.If Ice is confirmed that close to the surface, it will be an exciting week next week! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

centsworth_II · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sure looks pretty interesting, though. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Holy cow, it's ice! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Holy cow, it's ice! Posted by centsworth_II</DIV> Would you bet your house on that?It COULD be ice.Would you bet your car?Would you bet $100?Would you bet $ 10?Would you bet 2 bits?How sure are you???? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />Just askin'

<div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

Philotas · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Holy cow, it's ice! Posted by centsworth_II</DIV> According to that URL:Science plans for today include doing more robotic arm camera imaging of Snow Queen, using the LED light sources on the camera, to get a better sense of its real albedo, to help diagnose whether that one is actually ice. They will also repeat yesterday's observation of Holy Cow, many times with different exposures set on the camera, to try to build up a view of the area where none of it is overexposed. I'll admit that I had completely forgotten about the LED lights. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>According to that URL:Science plans for today include doing more robotic arm camera imaging of Snow Queen, using the LED light sources on the camera, to get a better sense of its real albedo, to help diagnose whether that one is actually ice. They will also repeat yesterday's observation of Holy Cow, many times with different exposures set on the camera, to try to build up a view of the area where none of it is overexposed. I'll admit that I had completely forgotten about the LED lights. Posted by Philotas</DIV>Hi Philotas,Yes they will use Red, Blue & Green LEDs to generate a true colour view of 'the ice' or whatever it is. With those images back, hopefully included within the next download from Odyssey, we'll know much more & perhaps then & only then, we can say for sure if it's ice or rock, underneath Phoenix.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · May 31, 2008

Sol 5 Weather Report.Sol 5 Max temp: -30 C / -22 F.Sol 5 Min temp: -80 C / -112 F.8.5 MB.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%205%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/13/57033fcc-7144-4791-9da5-4ad9dfff03ef.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Sweeping view from South to Southwest. Image I have been working on. The hills on the horizon are quite a feature. Looking forward to the full resolution images of this region, to ascertain, what those hills are.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Sweep%20from%20South%20to%20South%20west%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/9/a0cc62de-2bc1-45de-b92c-1da890f8ef1c.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

JonClarke · May 31, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Nimbus,Yes they are & its a pain. Posted by 3488</DIV>Apparently the UA Phoenix site was targeted by haackers.  The Planteray Society site was attacked the day Phoenix landed.  Whether the two events are related or simply there are a lot of sphincters out there who are aattacking Phoenix because it is in the news (and UA and TPS are relatively soft targets) I don't know.Jon    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

shawneric · Jun 1, 2008

Spacekiwi and others I agree"Replying to: I'm interested in the item I've circled.  Is that an image artifact, or just what is it?  The patterning looks almost organic.  Has Phoenix uncovered the first 'sea shell' of the mission!   SK    Posted by SpaceKiwi And it begins.... "That picture was taken on "This contrast-enhanced image was acquired at the Phoenix landing site on Sol 4 by Phoenix's Robotic Arm Camera (RAC).  This picture which I think is the same object from a different angle two sols laterThis image was acquired at the Phoenix landing site on day 7 of the mission on the surface of Mars, or Sol 6, after the May 25, 2008, landing. The robotic arm camera acquired this image at 14:58:26 local solar time. The camera pointing was elevation -44.5887 degrees and azimuth 167.884 degrees. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/raw/RAC/RS006EFF896752685_117A6MRM1.htmlOn the bottom right there? Sure looks kind of hallow and like a shell? Did anything fall off the craft? What does everyone think?

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