Phoenix surface mission

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>guys can some one take a closer look upper&nbsp;right &nbsp;corner of this shothttp://www.nasa.gov/images/content/230000main_SS000EFF896228773_10CA8R8M1.jpgit's an anomaly I'm trying to understand - &nbsp;almost makes me feel they captured and impact of some kind occurring at that momenthere's blown up shoti've noticed its in all the images that point in that location - maybe my eyes are playing tricks but can some one do a better "look" at it.&nbsp; I don't believe its an image artifact... <br />Posted by lildreamer</DIV></p><p>You just can't assume anything yet. This was a highly compressed, low resolution image. It could be an artifact, or the heat shield, or the parachute, or a Polar Bear.</p><p>We just can't tell yet, and the 360 degree panorama is a higher priority than getting back to this area. It will be imaged and downloaded during the next few days at much higher resolution. So let's just exercise a little patience and wait till we have a better image of the area.</p><p>MRO's HiRise will also be photographing the landing site and vicinity, so also might provide useful information.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Dust Devil?&nbsp; <br />Posted by Andrey992</DIV><br /><br />Probably too bright to be a dust devil. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just a heads-up for folks ... our very own MattBlack is going to speak to New Zealand on the radio about the Phoenix Lander after the top of the hour coming up.&nbsp; If you would like to listen in and&nbsp;hear what he has to say, here is the link to stream the station ...http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streaming/newstalkzb-streaming.aspSK <br />Posted by SpaceKiwi</DIV><br /><br />Thanx!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[nimbus]

Awesome &nbsp;This was&nbsp;for&nbsp;me like the moon landing was for you old branches <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Awesome &nbsp;This was&nbsp;for&nbsp;me like the moon landing was for you old branches <br />Posted by nimbus</DIV><br /><br />Hey, I'm a trunk, not a branch!! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> <br /><strong>Posted by Philotas</strong></DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It's amazing that they were able to capture the lander and parachute on their way to the surface.&nbsp; I was of the impression (from the animation) that the 'chute was of a round design?&nbsp; In the MRO picture, it almost looks as though it hasn't fully inflated.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SK&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/11/f953f685-b44b-4c8e-9bc0-1cc65c9172e8.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You just can't assume anything yet. This was a highly compressed, low resolution image. It could be an artifact, or the heat shield, or the parachute, or a Polar Bear.We just can't tell yet, and the 360 degree panorama is a higher priority than getting back to this area. It will be imaged and downloaded during the next few days at much higher resolution. So let's just exercise a little patience and wait till we have a better image of the area.MRO's HiRise will also be photographing the landing site and vicinity, so also might provide useful information. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />Yes ... i'm sure others will chime in with what we see.&nbsp; Heat shield is probably the best bet and I too was thinking we need better resolution, so patience I will be....</p><p>- Hey MW not jumping to any conclusions, I know its not a "mother&nbsp;ship" <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />....couldn't resist.....&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[3488]

<p>[QUOTE<font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000">]</font>Probably too bright to be a dust devil. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><strong><font size="2">I agree Wayne, I&nbsp;reckon it is:<br /><br />1). The Parachute lying on its side drawn out.<br /><br />2). The backshell, in the Sun with 'blooming' on the CCD.<br /><br />3). The heatshield, in the Sun with 'blooming' on the CCD.<br /><br />4). Or a combination of the above.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Really the top priority now is to get a 360 degree panorama. Right now that is by far the top priority. Landing site characterisation is now a priority, so the other experiments can make sense & also the panorama will yield insights to the history of this area. </font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Do the polygons continue all the way around to the horizon? Are they the same size? Are there hills or impact craters on the other side of Phoenix we have not yet imaged? Are the small stones scattered in the same patterns all around?</font></strong></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I've had a go at enlargening, cropping & sharpening that portion contining the white streak. As Wayne correctly says, when the full resolution images are released, we'll see what it really is.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong><font color="#000080">http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parachuteindistancesol1ac6.jpg</font></strong><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/2/216ae639-86a3-4453-b213-bfdbc061315f.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br /><strong>Andrew Brown.</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[brandbll]

<p>Real exciting stuff.&nbsp; I was at my Uncle's 60th birthday and i was able to catch the last few hundred meters of the landing, so i caught it just in time.</p><p>I have a question, and possibly it is still to be determined, but does anyone know the cause for all the ridges in the landscape?&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="3">You wanna talk some jive? I'll talk some jive. I'll talk some jive like you've never heard!</font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#3366ff">Just a heads-up for folks ... our very own MattBlack is going to speak to New Zealand on the radio about the Phoenix Lander after the top of the hour coming up.&nbsp; If you would like to listen in and&nbsp;hear what he has to say, here is the link to stream the station ...http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streaming/newstalkzb-streaming.asp&nbsp;SK&nbsp; <br /></font><strong>Posted by SpaceKiwi</strong></DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Matt's on now.&nbsp; Follow the link below to hear him speak&nbsp;...</p><p>http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streaming/newstalkzb-streaming.asp</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SK&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/9/3994d19a-fd49-45c3-998c-bd664658a84d.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[Boris_Badenov]

<font size="2">How come Matt Black has that goofy accent. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just a heads-up for folks ... our very own MattBlack is going to speak to New Zealand on the radio about the Phoenix Lander after the top of the hour coming up.&nbsp; If you would like to listen in and&nbsp;hear what he has to say, here is the link to stream the station ...http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/streaming/newstalkzb-streaming.aspSK <br />Posted by SpaceKiwi</DIV><br /><br />Thanks agin, I got to listen to "Matthew".</p><p>Funny accent for a Jersey guy!</p><p>He did a GREAT job, very effective for a radio interview. I do them also, at the CBS New York City station, so it really appreciate how it takes some effort to get the information out in soundbite chunks. If you ramble on, the interview will end fast!</p><p>Great job, mattblack.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#3366ff">Great job, mattblack. <br /></font><strong>Posted by MeteorWayne</strong></DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Gentlemen, that is the finest accented example of the spoken word you are ever likely to hear!&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></p><p>Seriously though, Matt does a great job every time he speaks to the public.&nbsp; He's a credit to himself, the NZ Spaceflight Assn, and all of us here if I might be so bold.&nbsp; The Paul Holmes Breakfast is the top-rated radio show in NZ and is networked nation-wide, so Matt is reaching the maximum number of Kiwi's with his well-presented information.</p><p>I'm sure you will be along this morning, so well done Matt!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SK&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/7/ae9d40a7-94aa-489c-b7de-49edfaf61c7e.Medium.gif" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[Philotas]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Indeed; but at least,&nbsp;if I got the details correctly, the first images of the next batch should start arriving in two hours, at 5-6 pm EDT. Posted by Philotas[/QUOTE&nbsp;I'm guessing that's PDT, since that's where JPL and U of A are located.they were not specific. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>Appears to be true, grr. Three more hours then I guess.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[EricG]

<p>Some questions.&nbsp; Maybe some of them more appropriate to ask the Phoenix team members.&nbsp; But maybe some people on SDC know as well.&nbsp;</p><p>1. Anyone know the freezing/boiling temperature for H20 on Mars?&nbsp; A quick google turned up nothing.</p><p>2. Given Phoenix is at -33C now, any chance we'll catch sublimation in progress this summer? </p><p>3. When the arm begins digging, how will we know when it hits ice?</p><p>4. What might the ice look like?&nbsp; Clear?&nbsp; Dirty?&nbsp; Muddy?</p><p>5. Are there more pictures than the one we've seen of Phoenix+parachute taken from MRO?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

 

[EricG]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>1. Anyone know the freezing/boiling temperature for H20 on Mars?&nbsp; A quick google turned up nothing.2. Given Phoenix is at -33C now, any chance we'll catch sublimation in progress this summer?</DIV></p><p>A more extensive Google search turned up some interesting results.&nbsp; It really depends on two things.&nbsp; One is atmospheric pressure (varies by location), and the other is salt content in the H2O.&nbsp; I don't know either of those parameters.&nbsp; The science team themselves might not yet know.</p><p>However, one source I read says the freezing point can be as low as -22C and the boiling point might be as high as 7C.</p><p>Thus it seems we might catch melting in progress.&nbsp; Probably not boiling or sublimation, which is fine! </p>

 

[efron_24]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A more extensive Google search turned up some interesting results.&nbsp; It really depends on two things.&nbsp; One is atmospheric pressure (varies by location), and the other is salt content in the H2O.&nbsp; I don't know either of those parameters.&nbsp; The science team themselves might not yet know.However, one source I read says the freezing point can be as low as -22C and the boiling point might be as high as 7C.Thus it seems we might catch melting in progress.&nbsp; Probably not boiling or sublimation, which is fine! <br />Posted by EricG</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>they will heat the ice they find, and than we will know the temperatures</p><p>what the ice looks like is something we will find out soon. Did it fall as ice from the sky (hailstones ?) than it might be clear.. if at one time it was liquid, it must have mixed with the soil and will be dirty</p><p>We will have to wait for the news on MRO site.. but I think if they had made more images, they would have shown.</p><p>fact is that both machines were in fast motion and unless they filmed it too... this might b the only good image<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Andrey992]

when are we gonna get new pictures? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[EricG]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>when are we gonna get new pictures? <br /> Posted by Andrey992</DIV><br />Soon.&nbsp; Between 5pm and 6pm Pacific time, I believe.

 

[Philotas]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Soon.&nbsp; Between 5pm and 6pm Pacific time, I believe. <br />Posted by EricG</DIV></p><p>I thought they said that it'd get coverage on NASA TV. The lies!!!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rybanis]

<p>Dang, looks like ISS coverage.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I guess its my turn to chime in on the MRO shot. Absolutely amazing. Like every one else, I'm looking forward to more pictures at some point. Le sigh.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Philotas]

<p>New images are starting to appear.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_449.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="256" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_457.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="256" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/sm_458.jpg" alt="" width="307" height="307" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Philotas]

<p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_467.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="256" /></p><p>The crater rim on the horizon?</p><p>&nbsp;Whoah; cracked surface?</p><p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_485.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="256" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p>Incredible!!&nbsp; That image from the MRO of Phoenix in flight is better than science fiction.&nbsp; The accuracy and timing of these engineers are simply astounding. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[Philotas]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Incredible!!&nbsp; That image from the MRO of Phoenix in flight is better than science fiction.&nbsp; The accuracy and timing of these engineers are simply astounding. <br />Posted by derekmcd</DIV></p><p>But checkout the most recent images; still pouring in <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />&nbsp;http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=520&cID=8<br /><br /><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_520.jpg" alt="" /></p><p>Edit: here's a mosaic already:&nbsp; http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_535.jpg</p><p>Edit: One more, showing the horizon feature as well as the polar bear: http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_527.jpg</p><p><img src="http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/sm_527.jpg" alt="" width="519" height="356" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>