Phoenix surface mission

efron_24 · Jul 4, 2008

wondering when the first snow will fall <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>wondering when the first snow will fall Posted by efron_24</DIV>Hi Chris,I suspect not till the very end of the extended mission at the very earliest or even the Autumn Equinox. Whenever it is, I really hope Phoenix witesses the commencing of the first snows. With the solar arrays being darker & therefore absorb more of the little solar energy there is, they many not cover over very quickly, unless dust build up brightens them too much (I hope not).This is the highest resolution yet of the interesting rock sitting a short distance south of Phoenix (Sol 38). <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/7/0ae40ad4-29f9-412d-b705-05f6f5bc2f33.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Chris,I suspect not till the very end of the extended mission at the very earliest or even the Autumn Equinox. Whenever it is, I really hope Phoenix witesses the commencing of the first snows. With the solar arrays being darker & therefore absorb more of the little solar energy there is, they many not cover over very quickly, unless dust build up brightens them too much (I hope not).This is the highest resolution yet of the interesting rock sitting a short distance south of Phoenix (Sol 38).  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> That's a great rock Andrew. I was quite taken with the images as I was scanning the Sol 38? images. Thanx for posting it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jul 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's a great rock Andrew. I was quite taken with the images as I was scanning the Sol 38? images. Thanx for posting it. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>It is & you're very welcome Wayne, That rock although seen on many other images has not been seen at this resolution before. I suspect it is part of the Mission Success Panorama. That is going to be an impressive view of the landscape of Phoenix's surroundings, a real boon for geologists & other rock heads.That rock, wonder what it is? A vesicular basalt? Sedimentary, knocked about a bit? Mudstone with ice nuggets sublimed out? We'll know more when the full colour images are done. Sol 38 was a good Sol by the looks of it, as was Sol 37. I also like the high resolution foot pad images. Shows the ground very well, the pad is sitting on.Very granular & tiny stones. You knew I would Wayne, have to post that also. I hope some interesting imagery has been taken for Sol 39!!!!!  Sol 38, high resolution of foot pad. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/13/57142505-0942-473d-8de7-47a1a8f430f4.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

centsworth_II · Jul 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...note that the title of the thread on that forum [Possible Ice II] was just because this was the second thread started on that topic.  Posted by exoscientist</DIV>Now THAT'S FUNNY! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/9/af7583f1-e794-4d09-a907-a2bd6886e868.Medium.gif" alt="" width="64" height="64" /> <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/flanni/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-19.jpg" alt="" /> <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/flanni/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-18.jpg" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MarkStanaway · Jul 4, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>.  With the solar arrays being darker & therefore absorb more of the little solar energy there is, they many not cover over very quickly, unless dust build up brightens them too much (I hope not).This is the highest resolution yet of the interesting rock sitting a short distance south of Phoenix (Sol 38).  Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV>Is there any possibility to tilt the solar arrays toward the sun as it sinks lower on the horizon to eke out the last few rays of energy before we head into winter? I am guessing they are spring loaded and locked into place but have not seen any confimation of this.Keep up the great posts. It is the best source of day to day Phoenix activities that I have come across!  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 5, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is there any possibility to tilt the solar arrays toward the sun as it sinks lower on the horizon to eke out the last few rays of energy before we head into winter? I am guessing they are spring loaded and locked into place but have not seen any confimation of this.Keep up the great posts. It is the best source of day to day Phoenix activities that I have come across!  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV> No, the solar arrays are in a fixed position and cannot be tilted. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jul 5, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is there any possibility to tilt the solar arrays toward the sun as it sinks lower on the horizon to eke out the last few rays of energy before we head into winter? I am guessing they are spring loaded and locked into place but have not seen any confimation of this.Keep up the great posts. It is the best source of day to day Phoenix activities that I have come across!  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV>Mi Mark,The solar panels are fixed in the position they are now.The main structure of Phoenix is modeled near evough on the failed Mars Polar Lander, lost during EDL in December 1999. Phoenix is actually the previously mothballed & cancelled Mars Surveyor 2001 Lander (which yours truly here was involved in the campaign to get the spacecraft assigned a new mission & not face permanent cancellation).Link here to Mars Surveyor 2001 Lander. As you can see, there are some differences made to what became Phoenix, i.e no mini rover, the Marie Currie Rover, the Mars Pathfinder's Sojourner twin. TEGA was incorporared instead (though this may have happened anyway as the Marie Currie rover may had been dropped in favour of TEGA had Mars Surveyor 2001 went ahead). Really it is still essentially the same spacecraft, though Mars Surveyor 2001 was not to have landed in a high latitude  location, more likely a highland area just south of the equator.Whilst the solar panels are the same, Phoenix was re-equiped with heavier duty batteries & more efficient power relays owing to the arctic location of Scandia Colles, in the Vastitas Borealis that was to become the eventual landing site.One idea I've seen bantered about on UMSF is for the arm around sol 90 to actually tip Phoenix southwards to mimic tilting solar panels. I'm not sure.The strength is there for sure, no doubting that, but one false move could tip Phoenix right over. What ever happens, the arm will cease operations on Sol 90, due to the power required to operate will not be guaranteed (the cameras, weather station, communications, computer, use only little power, the arm & TEGA uses a great deal). Sol 39 looking towards hills @ azimuth 214.73 degrees.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/11/af87dece-ad7c-4304-abf1-389e4e0bfc21.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Crop & enlargement of hills in above image. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/0/5b15084d-37ed-4963-80f7-c67268c7a6e4.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Sol 39 alt -27 azm 64.81 deg, possible eroding layering? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/8/ce88de5a-3a11-4ba9-a80e-457a80199f5b.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

silylene old · Jul 5, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No, the solar arrays are in a fixed position and cannot be tilted. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Actually the trenching arm could be used to tilt the lander to get more light on the solar arrays.  This arm is even strong enough that it could be used to drag the lander to a new location.  There is a nice thread on this subject over at the UMSF forums.Tilting (or dragging) would be difficult to do, and risky, and is untested.  Another factor that makes it difficult is that the lander's legs are not oriented optimally to safely tolerate a tilt in the direction of the sun.I do think that after the primary mission is completed, and no trenching is required anymore, that the trenching arm should be used to drag-turn the lander into a position where the legs are oriented more optimally for a subsequent tilt - and then the trench are could be used to tilt.  This way the lander can last long enough that we can see the ices deposit during the Martian winter, and slowly grow to engulf the lander.  However, probably the weight of the ice will break off the solar panels before the lander is engulfed. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center">I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function. </div> </div>

efron_24 · Jul 5, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> possible eroding layering?</DIV> I saw an image like that before.. the stones in line make you indeed wonder if they were "pushed" in line by ice or....   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 5, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Actually the trenching arm could be used to tilt the lander to get more light on the solar arrays.  This arm is even strong enough that it could be used to drag the lander to a new location.  There is a nice thread on this subject over at the UMSF forums.Tilting (or dragging) would be difficult to do, and risky, and is untested.  Another factor that makes it difficult is that the lander's legs are not oriented optimally to safely tolerate a tilt in the direction of the sun.I do think that after the primary mission is completed, and no trenching is required anymore, that the trenching arm should be used to drag-turn the lander into a position where the legs are oriented more optimally for a subsequent tilt - and then the trench are could be used to tilt.  This way the lander can last long enough that we can see the ices deposit during the Martian winter, and slowly grow to engulf the lander.  However, probably the weight of the ice will break off the solar panels before the lander is engulfed. Posted by silylene</DIV>Hi silylene,I am sure Phoenix was not tested to see whether or not two legs could support Phoenix tilted by the arm, but I think given the tolerance built into them for landing, I do not see the 37.8% surface gravity being a huge problem. Also the arm would still act as a leg taking much of the weight. I do not see it being a huge problem. My biggest worry, is the arm initially being strong enough to cause serious damage to Phoenix if it carries out a maneuver in error & tips Phoenix right over.But yes I think it will be worth attempting to get extra power out of those arrays to give Phoenix the chance to survive into the Martian Winter or at least late Autumn, before the sun sets for very long periods prior to not rising at all before the Winter Solstice, but the chance to actually witness CO2 frost or snow accumulating is certainly worth the risks to make it possible.Yes I think the arrays will snap off long before the Winter Solstice, but maybe not until well after the Autumn Equinox. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> I saw an image like that before.. the stones in line make you indeed wonder if they were "pushed" in line by ice or....  Posted by efron_24</DIV>Hi Chris,Yes, that has been seen before, but that is the highest resolution yet of that patch of ground. I suspect it's part of the Mission Success Panorama.I wonder if it is layered rock that's eroding out, with the martian annual deposition of CO2 ice, as you say maybe re-arranging them.I'm sure further observations will reveal what is happening there. It's very interesting what ever, the first high latitude landing on Mars & stuff like this, we have not seen before.  Wonder what the Sol 40 download will have?Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MarkStanaway · Jul 5, 2008

Hi 3488 and MeteorWayne,Thanks for clearing that up. It will be fantastic if those solar panels can collect sufficient power for us to witness the first snows of winter.CheersMark  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 6, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi 3488 and MeteorWayne,Thanks for clearing that up. It will be fantastic if those solar panels can collect sufficient power for us to witness the first snows of winter.CheersMark  Posted by MarkStanaway</DIV>You're very welcome Mark. We both enjoy very much following this mission.Below two interesting high resolution mugshots of ground to the south of Phoenix. I suspect they're part of the Mission Success Panorama.Alt -17.1 deg Azm 179.21 deg Sol 40. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/0/0fac33ec-c1f0-437d-80af-3dcabb838c05.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Atl -16.9 deg  Azm 173.96 deg. Sol 40. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/5/9d623844-c309-4c92-b57f-c632b9e19fb0.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 7, 2008

Sol 41.The two below looks almost as if a liquid had flowed between the two rocks. More likely a boundary between two polygons.Alt -18.53 deg. Azm: 181.15 deg. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/8/deb0c7be-0dc7-4a03-b8b9-7a717ee1eb1d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=10498&cID=127 Alt -18.64 deg. Azm: 184.11 deg. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/4/a2564ed1-b266-4355-a40d-da498a20c46c.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Sol 41. Phoenix rolled a rock? I wonder when the last time that small patch in the depression was exposed?Alt -69.09 Deg. Azm: 48.85 Deg. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/4/67e593b3-493b-4cf6-94da-67a667d754e6.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

bearack · Jul 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sol 41.The two below looks almost as if a liquid had flowed between the two rocks. More likely a boundary between two polygons.Alt -18.53 deg. Azm: 181.15 deg.Alt -18.64 deg. Azm: 184.11 deg.Sol 41. Phoenix rolled a rock? I wonder when the last time that small patch in the depression was exposed?Alt -69.09 Deg. Azm: 48.85 Deg.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> Interesting images.  Could it have been caused by wind erosion from the lander jets? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

3488 · Jul 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Interesting images.  Could it have been caused by wind erosion from the lander jets? Posted by bearack</DIV>Hi Tim,Could be, those jets did appear to 'blast' quite an area during the final seconds of descent. Hi everyone, July 2008, BBC SKY at NIGHT. It's only there for a few days, so if you want to see it, better do it quick. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 7, 2008

Sol 37 Weather report. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/12/dad69bd9-805e-4c4a-8cbf-5d2d38fed720.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Sol 37 Max: -33 C / -27.4 F. Sunny. Sol 37 Min: -79 C / -110.2 F. Sunny. Pressure: 8.2 millibars.Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sol 37 Weather report.  Sol 37 Max: -33 C / -27.4 F. Sunny.Sol 37 Min: -79 C / -110.2 F. Sunny.Pressure: 8.2 millibars.Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> A Midsummer's Night Dream, to quote a famous alleged Brit <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jul 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A Midsummer's Night Dream, to quote a famous alleged Brit Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Most certainly is Wayne, from one if not the most famous 16th Century literary writer.  Except if it was on Mars it would probably be A Midsummer's Night Nightmare. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/3/5a8ab286-e837-4c6a-9304-be246330cdc0.Medium.gif" alt="" />Also it would not have been very popular as it lacks atmosphere.  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/14/b8ca4ee9-39a5-4b29-8e60-9f9e14eff206.Medium.gif" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. # <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Also it would not have been very popular as it lacks atmosphere.  Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> ROFL!!!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

efron_24 · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Tim,Could be, those jets did appear to 'blast' quite an area during the final seconds of descent. Hi everyone, July 2008, BBC SKY at NIGHT.It's only there for a few days, so if you want to see it, better do it quick.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> video only available in the UK.As is often the case with these kinds of things..But you made me curious .. what was/is it about ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> video only available in the UK.As is often the case with these kinds of things..But you made me curious .. what was/is it about ? Posted by efron_24</DIV> Agreed, I wish they would be more tolerant for both sides of the pond.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

3488 · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> video only available in the UK.As is often the case with these kinds of things..But you made me curious .. what was/is it about ? Posted by efron_24</DIV>Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Agreed, I wish they would be more tolerant for both sides of the pond.  Posted by bearack</DIV>Hi Chris & Tim, sorry guys, I did not know it was only accessible within the United Kingdom.I meant to post it for EVERYONE, irrespective of where the viewer is.  I do not know if it's accessible overseas from the regular BBC site, through the programmes listings???It was really a show hosted by Sir Patrick Moore & Dr Chris Lintock, about the Phoenix mission & Chris Lintock was actually at the U of A Phoenix Control Room (lucky sod) on Sols 21 & 22.For those of us following the mission through NASA emails & websites, we have not really missed much, though it was an excellent programme, worth watching. I'll try & find another link that can be accessed outside of Britain.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Chris & Tim, sorry guys, I did not know it was only accessible within the United Kingdom.I meant to post it for EVERYONE, irrespective of where the viewer is. I do not know if it's accessible overseas from the regular BBC site, through the programmes listings???It was really a show hosted by Sir Patrick Moore & Dr Chris Lintock, about the Phoenix mission & Chris Lintock was actually at the U of A Phoenix Control Room (lucky sod) on Sols 21 & 22.For those of us following the mission through NASA emails & websites, we have not really missed much, though it was an excellent programme, worth watching. I'll try & find another link that can be accessed outside of Britain.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>It is often the case with programs. It has to do with legal rightsWhen you try to watch a show in the USA, like Bionic Woman it is free for those IN the USAbut outside that country you get a no-go messageand if put on youtube it is removedOther than that, I am very EAGER for more news from Phoenix. It seems to slow down a little bit.hope all is ok "up" there <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

abq_farside · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..... I am very EAGER for more news from Phoenix. It seems to slow down a little bit.hope all is ok "up" there Posted by efron_24</DIV> I was thinking the same thing - maybe the July 4th weekend had something to do with that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be! </div>

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