Phoenix surface mission

MeteorWayne · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I was thinking the same thing - maybe the July 4th weekend had something to do with that. Posted by abq_farside</DIV> That certainly is part of it. I think it's also that the return of "new" data has slowed down. That should change in the next few days, since soil has just been delivered to the 2nd wet chemistry experiment, and within the next sol or two an attempt will be made to deliver ice to the 2nd TEGA oven (#5). They're still practicing the manuever from rasping to delivery so it can be done quickly and safely. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

dagas · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Chris & Tim, sorry guys, I did not know it was only accessible within the United Kingdom.I meant to post it for EVERYONE, irrespective of where the viewer is. I do not know if it's accessible overseas from the regular BBC site, through the programmes listings???It was really a show hosted by Sir Patrick Moore & Dr Chris Lintock, about the Phoenix mission & Chris Lintock was actually at the U of A Phoenix Control Room (lucky sod) on Sols 21 & 22.For those of us following the mission through NASA emails & websites, we have not really missed much, though it was an excellent programme, worth watching. I'll try & find another link that can be accessed outside of Britain.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> you guys mean this program?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml

Philotas · Jul 8, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> you guys mean this program?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml Posted by dagas</DIV> Looks like the Phoenix episode is not posted there yet; in the latest program he says that the next episode will be about Phoenix, if I heard correctly. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 8, 2008

Trench Sol 42. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/8/069f515b-766d-4fa5-8804-b8184bbc662d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Alt -83 deg Azm 308 deg Sol 42. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/12/ff774ef7-84b5-4626-9c4f-898f33735892.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Martian Tundra. Late Afternoon. Azm 18.97 degrees. Sol 42. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/13/5be45aa4-4367-44fe-8de6-b23d07acda9f.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Martian Tundra Late afternoon azm 16.17 deg azm Sol 42. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/0/ca6ec86f-0558-441a-90aa-b39212918ebf.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

KzooKidd · Jul 9, 2008

Phoenix is still trying to get ice samples into its scoop.  It looks like this is proving to be more of a challange than originally anticipated.  Here's the anology that they use in the article..."it's like trying to scoop dust into a dust pan without having a broom".  This is due to the fine grains of ice.  It would seem that the arm of Phoenix would have to move quickly towards the ice dust pile, and then rotate its scoop upwards (all in one motion) in order to collect a sample.  Another idea - If they can located a rock in the area, they could scrape the ice in front of the rock and use the rock as the broom.http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Phoenix_Mars_Lander_Continues_Sample_Collection_Tests_999.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Kzoo Kidd </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Phoenix is still trying to get ice samples into its scoop.  It looks like this is proving to be more of a challange than originally anticipated.  Here's the anology that they use in the article..."it's like trying to scoop dust into a dust pan without having a broom".  This is due to the fine grains of ice.  It would seem that the arm of Phoenix would have to move quickly towards the ice dust pile, and then rotate its scoop upwards (all in one motion) in order to collect a sample.  Another idea - If they can located a rock in the area, they could scrape the ice in front of the rock and use the rock as the broom.http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Phoenix_Mars_Lander_Continues_Sample_Collection_Tests_999.html Posted by KzooKidd</DIV> Yes, they are still practicing both on Mars and on the ground.What's important is that the entire process needs to be accomplished in 30 minutes or less to prevent the ice from sublimating. And of course, with that time constraint, it will be done blind. With the 20 minute one way light time, by the time any images could be perceived and responded to, the whole procedure is done. So they need to practice every aspect of the procedure, because you only get one shot at it, and you can't adjust on-the-fly.MW <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

KzooKidd · Jul 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yes, they are still practicing both on Mars and on the ground.What's important is that the entire process needs to be accomplished in 30 minutes or less to prevent the ice from sublimating. And of course, with that time constraint, it will be done blind. With the 20 minute one way light time, by the time any images could be perceived and responded to, the whole procedure is done. So they need to practice every aspect of the procedure, because you only get one shot at it, and you can't adjust on-the-fly.MW Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Here is a good articel on The Planetary Society.  http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001542/ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Kzoo Kidd </div>

3488 · Jul 9, 2008

Apparently all of the frames for the Mission Success Panorama have been taken. Looking forward to it being completed. Alt -18.2 deg, Azm 111.4 deg. Sol 43. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/7/e9018c0e-c71c-400d-a744-d2a4bdc089e2.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Deployment of Atomic Force Microscope. Sol 43. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/5/f075aa53-bda1-4d0d-950b-bd8cb0ea2fc1.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Early Morning Trench Sol 43. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/7/0f88b082-905d-4535-b7c9-5eb931ee5457.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

derekmcd · Jul 9, 2008

This just came out today.  They can see the heat shield in freefall along with the landerhttp://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ <img src="http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_008579_9020-B_cut_a.jpg" alt="http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_008579_9020-B_cut_a.jpg" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

3488 · Jul 9, 2008

This just came out today.  They can see the heat shield in freefall along with the landerhttp://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/  Posted by derekmcd[/QUOTE]Thank you very much Derek, <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/0/368f5a14-ee06-4d9e-b09c-9f8fd559bb56.Medium.gif" alt="" />I for one am very grateful for your post & tip off. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/0/0e27459e-b81e-47f4-802d-8b2a7d8440d4.Medium.gif" alt="" /> Amazing, absolutley bloody amazing, one hell of a catch. I'm gonna look now. Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

derekmcd · Jul 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thank you very much Derek, I for one am very grateful for your post & tip off. Amazing, absolutley bloody amazing, one hell of a catch. I'm gonna look now. Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV>   They definitely amped up the resolution on some of the original images they rushed out to release after Phoenix landed.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

3488 · Jul 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This just came out today.  They can see the heat shield in freefall along with the landerhttp://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/  Posted by derekmcd</DIV>In addition to Derek's post, there is also this more recent HiRISE image of Phoenix (undated but guess during the past week) & the associated hardware (parachute & heat shield impact site) on the surface, in Scandia Colles, Vastitas Borealis.Image is upside down South at Top, East on the Left. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/14/c0e9bf5a-c2aa-4389-9e8e-9239ffeb711a.Medium.jpg" alt="" />  Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 9, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>  They definitely amped up the resolution on some of the original images they rushed out to release after Phoenix landed.  Posted by derekmcd</DIV>Most definitely Derek,It is the case near enough always that the best stuff comes out after the initial excitement has worn off, accept for those of us, who are genuinely interested, loyal & follow these events all of the way through to their conclusion.I wonder if the colour strips shown on today's release of Phoenix & heatshield descending in front of Heimdall Crater, are part of a full colour HiRISE view? We'll see in time. But that is a tremendous catch though Derek, thank you very much. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/13/22643316-9b37-4d75-8d3f-39f72ce85290.Medium.gif" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 10, 2008

Nice one, quick chime in.High resolution view of hills Azm 217.18 deg. Sol 44. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/4/4bf1fe2c-a9a8-4398-8421-f91fc2431e94.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jul 10, 2008

these images make us smile..GREAT <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>these images make us smile..GREAT Posted by efron_24</DIV> They most certainly do. Derek did a great job at updating with that little gem. I often check out the HiRISE site, but Derek beat me to it on this occassion.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />Sol 44, Holy Cow imaged again. <a href="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Forums/#" title="Click to view a larger photo" onclick="return gSiteLife.LoadForumPage('ForumImage', 'plckPhotoId', '43a324dd-0fc9-42d4-b958-c249a6472f01', 'plckRedirectUrl', gSiteLife.EscapeValue(window.location.href));"><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/9/43a324dd-0fc9-42d4-b958-c249a6472f01.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></a>Longer exposure of Holy Cow, Sol 44.<a href="http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=11899&cID=135" target="_blank"> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/12/c0ae233c-c7c0-4339-8c87-bd9e0e9e33ea.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown.http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=11899&cID=135</a> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

derekmcd · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>They most certainly do. Derek did a great job at updating with that little gem. I often check out the HiRISE site, but Derek beat me to it on this occassion.Sol 44, Holy Cow imaged again.Longer exposure of Holy Cow, Sol 44.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>I just got lucky that Physorg had an article on it.  They're usually pretty quick to pick up stories.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

tanstaafl76 · Jul 10, 2008

I've been out of the loop for a few days so I apologize if this question has already been answered - did they ever figure out what that stuff was on Phoenix's leg?   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> I've been out of the loop for a few days so I apologize if this question has already been answered - did they ever figure out what that stuff was on Phoenix's leg?   Posted by tanstaafl76</DIV> I don't think there's been any hard determination of what the "plaque" is but I like the idea of water coming from the exposed patch under the lander recondensing on the cold leg.  Short of sampling it (which isn't going to happen) how might "we" better confirm or disprove this hypothesis ?  I wonder if heat couldn't be added to the leg, at least very locally, and then watch to see if the deposits re-sublimate.  Could the temp probe on the RA be used to measure the leg's temperature ?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

tanstaafl76 · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't think there's been any hard determination of what the "plaque" is but I like the idea of water coming from the exposed patch under the lander recondensing on the cold leg.  Short of sampling it (which isn't going to happen) how might "we" better confirm or disprove this hypothesis ?  I wonder if heat couldn't be added to the leg, at least very locally, and then watch to see if the deposits re-sublimate.  Could the temp probe on the RA be used to measure the leg's temperature ?  Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV>Well I don't know how to prove or disprove it, but it certainly would be interesting if the temperature and pressure was such that just the shade of the lander was enough to make the difference between whether water ice will subliminate or be able to condense.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well I don't know how to prove or disprove it, but it certainly would be interesting if the temperature and pressure was such that just the shade of the lander was enough to make the difference between whether water ice will subliminate or be able to condense.  Posted by tanstaafl76</DIV> would not it be possible to use the arm to scrape the material from the leg ?or can't it reach it <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jul 10, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> would not it be possible to use the arm to scrape the material from the leg ?or can't it reach it Posted by efron_24</DIV>Hi Chris,I think it could, but given the arm's enormous strength, one false move could destroy the lander, so I think using the arm & scoop to poke at the components of the lander is not a good idea right now. Hense the same reservations about the arm bing used to open the oven doors on TEGA. Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 11, 2008

Friday 11th July 2008.Sol 45. Midway through the PRIMARY mission today. Time goes quickly when one is having fun. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />-29.26 Alt 66.85 Azm. Sol 45. Top right, hint of layering slowly eroding out? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/2/f93648f0-69d5-4854-a2df-e237f0aa72bd.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Alt -19.20 deg. 28.94 Azm. Sol 45. Small rocks, a mixture of volcanic & sedimentary???? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/12/98f92bd6-a857-44fd-8c76-aa2ee8fd4b46.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

bearack · Jul 11, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Chris,I think it could, but given the arm's enormous strength, one false move could destroy the lander, so I think using the arm & scoop to poke at the components of the lander is not a good idea right now. Hense the same reservations about the arm bing used to open the oven doors on TEGA. Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> I agree.  Should finish all scheduled experiments and not do anything off schedule until close to the landers last Sol's.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

Carrickagh · Jul 11, 2008

There is now a nice panorama image of the Phoenix lander at this site:http://www.nivnac.co.uk/mer/index.php/phoenix-sols-13-to-43-r-1bc-aamp-r-abc-1It was put together by the site's creator, James Canvin. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/15/93081ad2-42f4-40ca-8f8f-7aabbd6b8e28.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Here is a smaller snap of the panorama. The one at the site is quite huge. You can almost imagine yourself walking across the landscape.    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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