Phoenix surface mission

efron_24 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think I missed how the MRO communications divice was damaged.  Did anyone hear?  Posted by bearack</DIV>The other space ship can take over ! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>They are not sure, hope to try turning it on again later.  Posted by thor06</DIV> Caused by a transient even?  Apparently their speculation is cosmic particles could have damaged the radio during entry. I guess I should wait before posting my questions, but afraid I'll forget if I don't ask.    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

bearack · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The other space ship can take over ! Posted by efron_24</DIV> Yes, but a larger delay.  I'm just being greedy.  Kinda like a drug addict that just got his first fix......I NEED MORE AND RIGHT NOW!  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

efron_24 · May 27, 2008

well just be glad Odyssey is around. I wonder if the ESA (ME) can help.But.. after this NASA TV momentWhat is your oppinion.. I am very curious about it !The faces at the start of this showed that something was not rightThat overshadowed it all a bit.Is it clear when Odyssey can take over ?   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Szkeptik · May 27, 2008

The MRO picture was great with the crater in the background. So was the close up on Phoenix, but I expected the conference to be about discussing a lot more pictures and that just didn't happen. Everyone was busy asking question about how the UHF malfunctioned. that was a bit boring.

danieloneil01 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>People are spoiled so quickly.  It took days to get images in the old days, andd only  Few were easily accessed by the public. Posted by jonclarke</DIV> So what's your point?  Those were the old days,  this is now.  We have puters so we can access them now.  They landed on Mars and we can't get transmission higher than 128k?   What was the speed of the 2 rovers that were built (guessing) a decade ago?

lucaspf · May 27, 2008

Unfortunately right now I cannot view the televised briefings, is there a site where I could access a transcript or review? So I take it MRO's UHF is on the blink? Thanbks a lot!  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Unfortunately right now I cannot view the televised briefings, is there a site where I could access a transcript or review? So I take it MRO's UHF is on the blink? Thanbks a lot!  Posted by lucaspf</DIV>youtube will have it later tonight <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The MRO images are breath taking.. super !!!There is a tear on my face .. wonderful Posted by efron_24</DIV> Scbribblenotes(tm)Phuc Lee-MRO had transient in UHF tranceiver (possible cosmic ray), and as planned shut itself off. It is used for comm between MRO and Phoenix. (X-band comm between MRO and Earth is fine). As a result, Sol 2 command sequence was not tranmitted. MRO team is working the problem, expect to be bringing it back online later today (an hour or two?)SO Phoenix is using "runout" commands from yesterday. If MRO UHF comes back later, there may be a data download later, and downlink will take place tomorrow.Biobarrier over arm has retracted a bit more during Sol 1 thermal cycle, so is  now in good position.Brian, Nav team- has confirmed precise location. Using MRO and Odyssey similar to GPS. 22 km downrange from last TCM fix.Alfred McKewen MRO HiRise PI has great images showing broader context of previous chute and lander image. Actually about 20 KM in front of 10 KM diameter crater.Then showed image, from 300 km above of Phoenix (showing solar arrays), Chute and backshell 300 meters to south, and heat shield 200 m to SE.Haven't quite finished 360 degree panorama. To south, about 9km away hill can be seen; shows sky is real clear.Wx report: Hi -30C Lo -80C Pressure 8.5 mb Winds NE ~ 20 kphShowed image of American flag and PLanetary Society DVD.Phoenix is in ~ 30 km wide "valley"Lots of stupid questions, a few good ones have been included in notes above. Also questions about "polar bear" (from New Scientist? I'm shocked!!) Nothing seen in MRO image, so likely was artifact of some kind.MW <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>well just be glad Odyssey is around. I wonder if the ESA (ME) can help.But.. after this NASA TV momentWhat is your oppinion.. I am very curious about it !The faces at the start of this showed that something was not rightThat overshadowed it all a bit.Is it clear when Odyssey can take over ?   Posted by efron_24</DIV> They'd rather see if they can get the MRO UHF back up. If needed, Odyssey could probably take over in a day or so if needed. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm seeing a dark patch around the lander.  Thrusters? melting or blown?   great images today wow! Posted by thor06</DIV> I didn't see that. Are you sure you're looking at the right one?Lander is at top, Hatshield below to right,Chute and backshell are directly below. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>They are not sure, hope to try turning it on again later.  Posted by thor06</DIV>Oh crap, what a bummer. Lets hope it comes back on soon.Can not the ESA Mars Express not be roped in for the mean time????? Phoenix landed 22 km short.A few details of the landing site.Is in a shallow 50 KM wide valley. The hills in the south are approx 15 KM away & are approx 250 metres tall.Weather report from Green Valley, Scandia Colles, Vastilas Borealis, Mars. Pressure: 8.5 millibars. Daytime high temperature: minus 30 C. 'Nighttime' low temp: minus 80 C (the Sun does not current set from this location).http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%201%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/4/dcc680e7-b5ff-474f-84b3-3f35b6c7bcc8.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Mars Phoenix Lander Parachute & Backshell, HiRISE on MRO.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Phoenix%20Lander%20Parachute%20HiRISE%20MRO.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/5/927d212f-cf1f-4cda-b516-bff613a946b5.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Mars Phoenix Lander all hardware HiRISE on MRO.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Phoenix%20Lander%20hardware%20on%20Mars%20surface%20labeled%20HiRISE%20MRO.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/5/636465ef-e707-4944-a53b-f46c073eb40a.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Mars Phoenix Lander all hardware HiRISE on MRO (unlabled).http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Phoenix%20Lander%20hardware%20on%20Mars%20surface%20unlabeled%20HiRISE%20MRO.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/14/4c924b65-9c4a-4474-8ec1-7776d3395428.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think I missed how the MRO communications divice was damaged.  Did anyone hear?  Posted by bearack</DIV> Possibly a cosmic ray, still being investigated.Not damaged; it experienced an anomoly. When in space, if something unusual happens, you shut the device down to prevent further damage, and bring it back up slowly as you gather more data.Whole spaceraft experience that as well. It's the safest way to handle an unexpected event when you are 700 million km from the nearest repair depot.Stuff happens in space <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

lucaspf · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Scbribblenotes(tm)Phuc Lee-MRO had transient in UHF tranceiver (possible cosmic ray), and as planned shut itself off. It is used for comm between MRO and Phoenix. (X-band comm between MRO and Earth is fine). As a result, Sol 2 command sequence was not tranmitted. MRO team is working the problem, expect to be bringing it back online later today (an hour or two?)SO Phoenix is using "runout" commands from yesterday. If MRO UHF comes back later, there may be a data download later, and downlink will take place tomorrow.Biobarrier over arm has retracted a bit more during Sol 1 thermal cycle, so is  now in good position.Brian, Nav team- has confirmed precise location. Using MRO and Odyssey similar to GPS.22 km downrange from last TCM fix.Alfred McKewen MRO HiRise PI has great images showing broader context of previous chute and lander image. Actually about 20 KM in front of 10 KM diameter crater.Then showed image, from 300 km above of Phoenix (showing solar arrays), Chute and backshell 300 meters to south, and heat shield 200 m to SE.Haven't quite finished 360 degree panorama. To south, about 9km away hill can be seen; shows sky is real clear.Wx report:Hi -30C Lo -80CPressure 8.5 mbWinds NE ~ 20 kphShowed image of American flag and PLanetary Society DVD.Phoenix is in ~ 30 km wide "valley"Lots of stupid questions, a few good ones have been included in notes above.Also questions about "polar bear" (from New Scientist? I'm shocked!!)Nothing seen in MRO image, so likely was artifact of some kind.MW Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Excellent notes. Did you compile these Meteor Wayne? Much Appreciated!  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>They'd rather see if they can get the MRO UHF back up. If needed, Odyssey could probably take over in a day or so if needed. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> The Odyssey website shows that Odyssey is already used for transmitting images it received from Phoenix back to Earth.. http://mpfwww.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I didn't see that. Are you sure you're looking at the right one?Lander is at top, Hatshield below to right,Chute and backshell are directly below. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>I stand corrected, you are right. Yes, it looks like the thrusters brushed off the lighter surface. That's actually a good thing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Excellent notes. Did you compile these Meteor Wayne? Much Appreciated!  Posted by lucaspf</DIV> Yes, I scribble down what I hear (what's important, that is...I ignore repetative stupid questions) then try and read it afterward and translate to something resembling English. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

efron_24 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I stand corrected</DIV> please sit down..

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Phoenix landed 22 km short.Posted by 3488</DIV> Actually 22 km LONG from last TCM estimate; since that was short of original ellipse, they would up right at the edge of the original one as the two compensated for each other somewhat. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> please sit down..

Posted by efron_24</DIV> Ha, like that's possible!!!<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Possibly a cosmic ray, still being investigated.Not damaged; it experienced an anomoly. When in space, if something unusual happens, you shut the device down to prevent further damage, and bring it back up slowly as you gather more data.Whole spaceraft experience that as well. It's the safest way to handle an unexpected event when you are 700 million km from the nearest repair depot.Stuff happens in space Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> It does, I just hope it gets sorted very quickly.Phoenix on Chute in 20 KM in front of 12 KM wide Heimdall Crater.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/5/513305ca-b688-449b-8572-614b15aaac58.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Shot showing The Stars & Stripes & the Messages from Earth CD ROM. Phoenix.<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/0/0b468f45-b985-4266-9000-7b63cd8b42ba.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ha, like that's possible!!! Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> That Mars Oddity Freudian slip was funny! Todd HAlberson? Anyway, my new desktop:BTW forgot to mention in scribblenotes this was taken about 20 seconds after chute deployment.  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/10/3a1cb79c-c332-4c72-8aab-a36f377b7f5b.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yes, I scribble down what I hear (what's important, that is...I ignore repetative stupid questions) then try and read it afterward and translate to something resembling English. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>There's nothing wrong with your reporting skills Wayne. I take my hat off to you my friend. Your 'scribble notes' are really very good, so don't put yourself down, they're really very good.Whilst I'm harvesting images, etc, you carry on taking the notes. I think we seem to work pretty well together like that. I agree about the repetitiveness regarding the MRO radio drop out, during the briefing. It did get rather boring. The science input though was very good however, description of where they have landed etc. I just hoped they would have given the exact co-ordinates of the Phoenix's position on Mars.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

bearack · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That Mars Oddity Freudian slip was funny! Todd HAlberson? Anyway, my new desktop:BTW forgot to mention in scribblenotes this was taken about 20 seconds after chute deployment.  Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> Are you refering to the comparison of 250 meters as the same as 250 yards?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

Philotas · May 27, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It does, I just hope it gets sorted very quickly.Phoenix on Chute in 20 KM in front of 12 KM wide Heimdall Crater.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Phoenix%20on%20chute%20infront%20of%2012%20KM%20wide%20Heimdall%20Crater%20HiRISE%20MR.html Posted by 3488</DIV> That parachute shot with the Heimdall crater in the backgound is nothing short of awesome. I do hope I get my hands on a high-resolution version soon! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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