>Newer, perhaps, but not more advanced.<br />...<br /> />innovative<br /><br />Arguing over which planform is more advanced gets us no where. Implying that any new manned spacecraft is NOT innovative is hubristic and shortsighted. Every manned craft in the past has broken new ground, Mercury, Apollo, Soyuz, Shuttle, SpaceShipOne all made unique contributions. To claim that CEV or Kliper will not advance the state of the art is patently ridiculous. Both will be 21st Century vehicles, it's not like they are going to drag the Apollo Flight Computer out of museum or use one of the old Spiral fuselage! <br /><br />These vehicles, along with any alt.space craft that fly, are going to BLOW YOUR MIND. If you can honestly look at a picture of astronauts in any new vehicle in space and think "Been there, done that", then please cash in your space-geek credentials. You won't be needing them anymore. 8)<br /><br />Josh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>