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Caltech News Release<br /><br />For Immediate Release<br />December 21, 2004<br /><br />More Stormy Weather on Titan<br /><br />PASADENA, Calif.-- Titan, it turns out, may be a very stormy place.<br />In 2001, a group of astronomers led by Henry Roe, now a postdoctoral<br />scholar at the California Institute of Technology, discovered methane<br />clouds near the south pole of Saturn's largest moon, resolving a<br />debate about whether such clouds exist amid the haze of its<br />atmosphere.<br /><br />Now Roe and his colleagues have found similar atmospheric<br />disturbances at Titan's temperate mid-latitudes, about halfway<br />between the equator and the poles. In a bit of ironic timing, the<br />team made its discovery using two ground-based observatories, the<br />Gemini North and Keck 2 telescopes on Mauna Kea, in Hawaii, in the<br />months before the Cassini spacecraft arrived at Saturn and Titan. The<br />work will appear in the January 1, 2005, issue of the Astrophysical<br />Journal.<br /><br />"We were fortunate to catch these new mid-latitude clouds when they<br />first appeared in late 2003 and early 2004," says Roe, who is a<br />National Science Foundation Astronomy and Astrophysics Postdoctoral<br />Scholar at Caltech. Much of the credit goes to the resolution and<br />sensitivity of the two ground-based telescopes and their use of<br />adaptive optics, in which a flexible mirror rapidly compensates for<br />the distortions caused by turbulence in the Earth's atmosphere. These<br />distortions are what cause the well-known twinkling of the stars.<br />Using adaptive optics, details as small as 300 kilometers across can<br />be distinguished despite the enormous distance of Titan (1.3 billion<br />kilometers). That's equivalent to reading an automobile license plate<br />from 100 kilometers away.<br /><br />Still to be determined, though, is the cause of the clouds. According<br />to Chad Trujillo, a former Caltech postdoctoral scholar and now a<br />scientist at the Gemini Observatory,
 
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I found this picture interesting (view the larger .jpg or .tif): http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?path=../multimedia/images/titan/images/PIA06158.jpg&type=image <br /><br />I thought that in very many cases, each of the light colored streaks seem to eminate from a single point location (which sometimes looked round). I thought this was remiscent of cryovolcanism similar to that Voyager observed on Triton, with trade winds always pulling the streak of volcanic deposits in the same direction. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>
 
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We observed clouds on Titan, Uranus,Neptune and even Mars ( water ice).They all appear white.But can we say they are all composed of methane?<br />Some scientists say that the clouds observed in the south pole of Titan are made up of molecules too big to be methane ( over 5 microns).It would rather be some kind of polymers ( according to Chris McKay).<br /><br />www.titanexploration.com<br /><br />
 
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<font color="yellow">It would rather be some kind of polymers ( according to Chris McKay). <br /></font><br /><br />Polymers are not volatile (their vapor pressure is practically zero, even if heated) and they don't float in the sky unless they formed in the upper atmosphere and are settling to the surface.<br /><br />Perhaps McKay was using a non-chemical definition of polymer, meaning any molecule which was not 1 or 2 carbons long? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>
 
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He also envisaged the hypothesis of some kind of (vapour) polystyren in the clouds of the south pole."We never know".But those clouds would consist of "macromolecules", by definition more complex than methane.
 
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Well polystyrene vapor isn't really possible. Polymers don't form vapors. Their MW is so high they have an almost zero vapor pressure. A gas-phase polymerization (which would be rather exotic!) would create polymer particles which would precipitate from the gas phase immediately and settle to the surface in rather short order.<br /><br />"[polymers are] By definition more complex than methane" That is not a chemical definition. Maybe I am being pedantic here, but if people use chemical nomenclature, they should use it correctly. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>
 
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Published online today in the <i>Journal of Geophysical Research-Planets</i>:<br /><br /><i>Hourdin, Frédéric; Lebonnois, Sébastien; Luz, David; Rannou, Pascal</i><br /><b>Titan's stratospheric composition driven by condensation and dynamics</b><br /><i>J. Geophys. Res</i>., Vol. 109, No. E12, E12005<br />10.1029/2004JE002282<br />23 December 2004<br />Abstract
 
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<i>Caltech News Release <br /><br />For Immediate Release <br />December 21, 2004 <br /><br />More Stormy Weather on Titan <br /><br />PASADENA, Calif.-- Titan, it turns out, may be a very stormy place. <br />In 2001, a group of astronomers led by Henry Roe, now a postdoctoral <br />scholar at the California Institute of Technology, discovered methane <br />clouds near the south pole of Saturn's largest moon, resolving a <br />debate about whether such clouds exist amid the haze of its <br />atmosphere.</i><br /><br />This press release, which is online here, refers to the Roe <i>et al</i>. paper from the January 1, 2005 issue of <i>The Astrophysical Journal</i>:<br /><br /><b>Discovery of temperate latitude clouds on Titan</b><br />Roe, H.G., A.H. Bouchez, C.A. Trujillo, E.L. Schaller, and M.E. Brown<br /><i>Ap. J</i>. <b>618</b>, L49-L52 (2005). <br />Reprint (~237 Kb PDF)<br /><br />See also another paper in the same issue:<br /><br /><b>Statistics of Titan's south polar tropospheric clouds</b><br />A.H. Bouchez and M.E. Brown<br /><i>Ap. J</i>. <b>618</b>, L53-L56, 2005.<br />Reprint (~123 Kb PDF)
 
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