A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 4)

[telfrow]

And Crimson Force is on tonight! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Nah, goin' to see Star Wars tonight <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[telfrow]

<img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />Just kiddin' around...thought we'd lighten up a bit today in honor of the weekend and Oppy getting free. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

I love it Packet. Nice job. It combines the Nerd Herd feel with the Data Dawg name. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />In honor of the subject of this thread, and its tendency to get somewhat heated, I came up with this:<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

colin wrote, <font color="yellow">"How do I start an old guard? Sounds interesting, maybe fun. Is it anything like a 'rump'? Surely not 'young turks.' Nor 'vanguard'. Nor avant-garde, beat, experimental, far-out, hep, hip, innovative, leading edge, new wave, pioneering, progressive, radical, state-of-the-art, way-out. NO !! NO, Nanette !! None of those. Surely it's NOT a 'civilization on Mars.' An "Old Guard."</font><br /><br />Perhaps.........................<i>Skeptic Skinks?</i><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Leo posted the cow and the hand. I posted the Masonic symbols on it just for Zen.<br /><br />How many angles are in that photo? Way ahead of you Max...I'm working on it right now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Here you go, Max. I got tired of looking and quit. But I'm sure there are more there. Compare it to the "clear" version or Leo's "cow" version to see the landmarks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Weasels and skinks. Tell us how you <i>really</i> feel about us Zen. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Sorry Max, I was not clear. By attribution I mean when, where, and how it was published - is it a conference talk, a journal article, part of a book, who published it, and what year, not just the title and author. Can I have these please? Is Bob's attribution correct?<br /><br />Jon<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

tel: "Weasels and skinks. Tell us how you really feel about us Zen."<br /><br />As in <i>really?</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">As in really?</font><br /><br />Sure. Why not? It's a slow day. Knock yourself out. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

BTW: I think we know already. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Not to be difficult, you can have the info, but why? You have the article and their citations. Here's some more from them.... http://spsr.utsi.edu/articles/jse1999.html<br /><br />Don't worry about where it's published right now... Nicks and Erjavec are in bed w/ the boys in the above link.<br /><br />I want to hear specifics about problems you are bound to have w/ their analysis. You have all the info you need to do that. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Only cuz you said 'knock yourself out', Telfrow, here's my new personal logo. Maybe we can use it on our book cover <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br />

 

[JonClarke]

Why? Because it is standard practice among scholars to say what where an article is from and not to cite unattributed articles. I read the article you linked to some time ago, it does not answer my question as to the source of the one you cut and paste.<br /><br />You know, it is really funny, you constantly accuse other people of being evasive, of not answering your questions but when I ask you a simple question about the publication details you refuse to give an answer. What are you trying to hide? If you don't coperate with me, why should I cooperate with you? But tell me what the source is an I will give a detailed analysis of the article. There is lots to comment on and I am looking forward to it. But no source, no commentary.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Max: <font color="yellow">Maybe we can use it on our book cover...</font><br /><br />I don't think a book formatted so the first half would be you arguing artificiality and the second half would be me presenting evidence you're wrong would sell very well, do you Max? You do realize our positions are <b>diametrically opposed</b>, right? <br /><br />Ah, my "face" drawing....again. The mistakes of your youth haunt you forever. If you want to use it for the cover of your book, a couple of conditions: a) it has to carry the "Data Dawg" or "Data Weasel" copyright, <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> and b) it needs to carry a disclaimer noting the indvidual who produced it no longer believes it's valid....and the disclaimer should be in <b>big, bold type</b>. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Okay, we've looked at 19.5 (20) degree lines...now for pentagons. Here are a few naturally occuring ones... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

And Torun's pentagon on the mirrored "goat head"... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

And one more. From: <br /><br />http://www.epa.gov/region09/features/pvshelf/images/ph_starfish.jpg<br /><br />Here's a starfish on the bottom. (Kind of looks like our area on Mars, don't you think?) I've drawn a pentagon over it (poor guy is a little off on the lower left - I could have extrapoloated where his leg <i>used</i> to be, but I left it alone). The yellow lines indicate where the lines from the arms instersect or skirt other features on the bottom...and that's just in this one little area. Think what we could have connected to if we'd had a photograph with a wider field of view... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[thechemist]

I don't believe this !!! You guys are far and away <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />I 'm gone for a week, and now I have 179 unread posts in Part 3 and 293 posts in Part 4. <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><br />Colin, you have created a MONSTER <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Monuments, Jon.... Monuments. It really doesn't make a difference, does it?<br /><br />Please comment on Fiertek too.... Yet another test that you failed to think of..... Does his analysis lend credence to AOC or not?<br /><br />You're free to elaborate, but please,,,, somewhere in there, directly answer the question.<br /><br />Edit... The Fifth edition of Monuments..

 

[maxtheknife]

Telf: <font color="yellow">The mistakes of your youth haunt you forever. ..... the indvidual who produced it no longer believes it's valid</font><br /><br />Why no longer valid? Did the lines disappear?<br /><br />Telf: <font color="yellow"> a disclaimer noting the indvidual who produced it no longer believes it's valid</font><br /><br />That's cool, we keep saying you don't have to believe it as long as you acknowledge it.... and you clearly have <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />BTW.... Star Wars, Episode 3..... The best of the three... and that aint sayin much. Thank God for Lord of the Rings! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[maxtheknife]

Here's another relevant pic.... Hmmmm maybe there is something to all of this.... Great pics, Telfrow.<br /><br />And this.... Coincidence?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Quince: Cydonia oblonga <br /><br />Introduction <br /><br />The quince is now the only member of the genus Cydonia, the three shrubby quinces previously included are now classified in Chaenomeles. Quince has previously been classified as Pyrus cydonia and Cydonia vulgaris. <br /><br />The native region of the quince is not precisely known, but it is probably wild only in parts of Asia including Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkestan, Iran and Saudi Arabia. It has been cultivated in Mediterranean regions for millennia and has become naturalised in many parts; the fruit was highly regarded by the Greeks and Romans, and was the ‘golden apple’ that Paris awarded to Aphrodite as a symbol of love, marriage and fertility. It is still an important fruit crop in its native region and in South America (Argentina produces 20,000 tons annually). <br /><br />It was introduced to Britain at an early date (first accounts of its cultivation are from 1275) and was commonly grown in the 16th-18th centuries, when it was usually used for making quince marmalade. Its cultivation reached a peak here in the 18th & 19th centuries, then declined with the increase in popularity of soft fruits. </font><br /><br />Anyone got a pic of a Quince sliced in half? Hmm another pentagon. Think the ancients knew something we <i>don't</i>?<br /><br />edit: let's not forget too,,, Cairo <i>means</i> Mars.<br />

 

[maxtheknife]

Profoud: <i>Penetrating beyond what is superficial or obvious: a profound insight. </i> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=profound<br /><br />Outstanding, Zen.... Outstanding.

 

[maxtheknife]

That is a great example, Telfrow. Keep going.... You've got to find some relevant redundancy. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />What exactly are we looking at? How far or close? Earth or elsewhere? Seriously... great example... even better than your other example.

 

[telfrow]

I don't <i>have</i> to do anything Max. <br /><br />I've made my points, and made them quite well, thank you very much: the angles of the D&M are off by 5 degrees, throwing the geometry of the entire region off by five degrees; you can find 19.5 (20 degree angles anywhere, given enough formations and a sufficent area; you can find or make pentagons almost anywhere, given enough formations and sufficent area; you can connect the points of a pentagon to other objects given enough formations and sufficent area.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>