Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too - 2

bigbrain · Jul 2, 2005

Dear little friend, you wrote: "Sky---I saw one and so have my Air Force compatriots". I imagined you saw many UFO. Have you seen only one?

luciusverus · Jul 2, 2005

The option of the second explanation has been mentioned several time in "Big Bird's" threads............ May be he/she/it should start a new thread on a more incredulous topic as these are getting a little flat............. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

bigbrain · Jul 2, 2005

skyeagle in the other thread wrote: "The 'Stardust' vehicle, which is currently in space, is carrying a chip that has my name on it". I feel much tenderness for him. But if you go here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/mission/index.html Unfortunately what they have written is only science fiction. NASA (New Animation Softwares Agency) can not drive a probe to a target 431 million kilometres distant without seeing the probe and the target. Have you really understood that Nasa can not drive a probe that looks at the stars?

telfrow · Jul 2, 2005

I'm more convinced than ever it's someone pulling our leg... It would be interesting to open a "Who is Big Brain - Really?" thread and discuss the "clues" (there are quite a few, I think). Kind of like a "Paul is dead..." thread. Except we'd be using posts instead of album covers.<img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 2, 2005

It's amost 11pm "over there"....bedtime, isn't it? Or do you get to stay up late on the weekends? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

bigbrain · Jul 2, 2005

Instead of saying a lot of craps, explain how your probe could go where it was heading.

telfrow · Jul 2, 2005

And there's one of the clues now...every BB reply carries a "smiley face" (which has to be intentionally chosen)...who does that remind you of? BB...it's 11 or 12 "over there." Shouldn't you be in bed? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 2, 2005

Instead of saying a lot of craps... Your favorite word! But you left out "idiot"... explain how your probe could go where it was heading. Read this and get back to us in a week or two... http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/toc.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

rubicondsrv · Jul 2, 2005

Im guessing hes either ZenOnMars or extrasense. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bigbrain · Jul 2, 2005

The earth runs at 104,000 kilometres per hour around the sun, the earth turns around itself at 1,500 kilometres per hour at the equator, your probe is 500 million kilometres distant and you, by means of radio signals that arrive here after many minutes, by means of the stars used as reference, WITHOUT SEEING NOTHING IN THE DARKNESS OF UNIVERSE, are able to drive your probe towards a comet of ridiculous size. BY MAGIC, ONLY BY MAGIC.

telfrow · Jul 2, 2005

WITHOUT SEEING NOTHING IN THE DARKNESS OF UNIVERSE BY MAGIC, ONLY BY MAGIC. You're shoutingagain, BB. It's rude and you were warned about it by one of the mods, remember? Since you obviously aren't going to take my advice and read what I posted, try just reading Sections 10 through 13 - then get back to us. But do it tomorrow. It's past your bedtime "over there." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

bigbrain · Jul 2, 2005

Do not continue to do the perfect dude. Answer my opinions with intelligence. If you have understood how Nasa can drive a probe to a mobile target 500 million kilometres distant, explain it to me.

skyeagle409 · Jul 2, 2005

bigbrain---If you have understood how Nasa can drive a probe to a mobile target 500 million kilometres distant, explain it to me. bigbrain, We have explained it to you already. Greetings from MOC. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/ and MGS. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/

spacechump · Jul 2, 2005

OK big brain fine. The planets circle the sun because they are in orbit around the sun. Point one: Any object can be put in orbit around the sun ok? Not just a planet....get that? Point two: Any object can also use this concept of orbits to get where they want to go. Give them the correct speed and trajectory and they use Newton's laws to get where they are going. Point three: That is how Spirit and Oppy and any other space probe got to where its going. All the calculations were worked out ahead of time...where the planet or moon would be, the path the craft needs to take to get there and the speed and trajectory that the spacecraft needs. All this is calculated years in advance because the planets' orbits are extremely predictable (thank Newton and Keepler for figuring out the math behind that). Once a spacecraft is launched, it is give the necessary velocity and trajectory burn to start it on its orbit. Because the sun influences its path just like its influences the planets it will predictablly pull it along a determined path given a predetermined velocity and trajectory. So in conclusion: They don't need to steer a damn thing. Once it is released the probe pretty much just follows its gravitationally determined path to whereever they want it to go. It checks its position using star charts every once in a while and ground controllers can determine its speed from the doppler effect of the radio signal it beams back...because given that the earth is also predictable in where it is in its orbit, this info is given to the probe as well. If you can't get this you're a frickin' loon. Edited for PCness <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

luciusverus · Jul 2, 2005

I'm not sure your allowed to use the word ****** (albeit in BB's case the most accurate description you can get through the filters)............ Muppet and Silly are seemingly acceptable though........ Maybe you should say "If you can't get this you're a frickin' silly muppet.."

petepan · Jul 2, 2005

Maybe you should say "If you can't get this you're a frickin' silly muppet.." <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> *calls out* Gonzo.....!!

petepan · Jul 2, 2005

Instead of saying a lot of craps, explain how your probe could go where it was heading I think you have already been told, at least half a dozen times how it works and you still refuse to be rational <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 2, 2005

bigbrain - Instead of saying a lot of craps, explain how your probe could go where it was heading. Craps? Craps!! I've never said "craps" in this thread. However, I have said "Poop." I'll say it again just to be sure you read it correctly; POOP That's a capital P, two capital O and another capital P. P...O...O...P POOP! Get your facts straight. It's "POOP", not "craps." However, both bear directly on the factual worth of your posts. In fact, I was thinking about you earlier today. I took two poops and decided to bring you one back. Here ya go, POOP! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

bigbrain · Jul 3, 2005

Hey telfrow, perfect dude Look at your post at page 6 06/30/05 07:16 AM Therefore on 06/30/05 you did not know anything about the control of navigation of spacecrafts. Now, after visiting http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/toc.html you think Nasa has the capacity to drive a probe to Mars and land it on its surface. Since you have not understood well the system that Nasa would use to drive a probe, then you told me: "read this and get back to us in a week or two... http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/toc.html¡¨ You can not explain it to me in a few words because you have not understood it. The explanations in that website are very simple for a big brain like me. There is only a smallest problem: the author of articles talks and draws as if the spacecrafts they must drive voyaged on a level surface. At http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf13-1.html they write: Differenced Doppler Differenced Doppler can provide a measure of a spacecraft's changing three-dimensional position. To visualize this, consider a spacecraft orbiting a distant planet. If the orbit is in a vertical plane exactly edge on to you at position A, you would observe the downlink to take a higher frequency as it travels towards you. As it recedes away from you to go behind the planet, you observe a lower frequency. Now, imagine a second observer way across the Earth, at position B. Since the orbit plane is not exactly edge-on as that observer sees it, that person will record a slightly different Doppler signature. If you and the other observer were to compare notes and difference your data sets, you would have enough information to determine both the spacecraft's changing velocity and position in

petepan · Jul 3, 2005

If you and the other observer were to compare notes and difference your data sets, you would have enough information to determine both the spacecraft's changing velocity and position in three-dimensional space. Which part of this statement is so hard to comprehend?? You said Even if your very complicated system worked, you could never know where is your probe as regards to your two references. YOUR PROBE IS IN 3D SPACE, NOT ON A LEVEL SURFACE WHERE LAWS OF NEWTON ARE SO PERFECT Shouting again, tsk tsk but the web site says this ... ...and position in three-dimensional space... Actually, i thougth the author was doing a good job of 'visualising' the concept, and it had nothing to do with a flat surface.

telfrow · Jul 3, 2005

Look at your post at page 6 06/30/05 07:16 AM This one? <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> And from that, you can assume…. Therefore on 06/30/05 you did not know anything about the control of navigation of spacecrafts. [Inserty heavy dose of sarcasm here.] Wow, with that kind of logic at work, how do we stand a chance? <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> YOUR PROBE IS IN 3D SPACE, NOT ON A LEVEL SURFACE WHERE LAWS OF NEWTON ARE SO PERFECT You’re shoutingagain. It’s rude. Don't they teach manners in middle school anymore? Again...do I understand it? Yes. Will I explain it to you? No. First, you've been provided with enough links to "explain" it, including the two I posted on 6/18, in Part One of this thread - which you immediately dismissed. Secondly, it would be an excerise in futility. Nothing anyone posts here is going to change your mind - or produce anything resembling intelligent debate. You're not here to discuss or debate....just troll. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 3, 2005

Hey telfrow, perfect dude I'll add that to the resume... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

bigbrain · Jul 3, 2005

You wrote: "Secondly, it would be an excerise in futility. Nothing anyone posts here is going to change your mind - or produce anything resembling intelligent debate. You're not here to discuss or debate....just troll". This is only a pretext because you can not confute my reasonings. If you were able to say something intelligent (as: hot air tends to go up) I would not be able to confute your assertion. Hey, perfect dude, go here: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf4-1.html "... To be captured into a Martian orbit, the spacecraft must then decelerate relative to Mars using a retrograde rocket burn or some other means. To land on Mars, the spacecraft must decelerate even further using a retrograde burn to the extent that the lowest point of its Martian orbit will intercept the surface of Mars..." How does it work this "retrograde rocket burn"? Explain, please.

telfrow · Jul 3, 2005

Explain, please. See previous post. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 3, 2005

Okay, I'll try something here. Bear with me, BB. Answer a few questions. Do you play baseball? If not, please identify a sport you do play. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

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