Belief in alien visits to Earth is spiraling out of control – here's why that's so dangerous

[Admin]

Belief in alien visitors is no longer a quirk, but a widespread societal problem. This belief is slightly paradoxical as we have zero evidence that aliens even exist.

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[Questioner]

"Evidence for aliens is more likely to come from signals from faraway planets."

Based on what dataset?

An assignation of probability from a sample size of ZERO?!?

But it's 'OK' to believe in psycho-barbarian magical tyrants from some (i guess) other dimension?

The self-anointed 'information priesthood' who haven't figured out mass fields have less space evidenced by the Sun's faster interior rotation than at the exterior?

The 'information priesthood' that hasn't figured out gravity is a function of vibratory constructs spanning a tidal time-dilation field?

The same exclusionist crowd dismissing 50s &100s of people's shared observations based on the nonsense term 'mass hallucination'?

'Zika causes microcephally."? What data contradicting nonsense.

Conspiracy is a scientific fact based on science reports from 2017.

Groups tend to lie more than individuals

A new German study finds that groups of people are more likely than individuals to engage in dishonest behavior, especially when money is involved. The findings are published in the INFORMS journal Management Science.

www.informs.org

Pardon me if I'm not terrified by the 'information priesthood' clown crowd, OK?

 

[COLGeek]

TV shows and personalities push the notion of the possibility of something and many latch on to that as fact. It is not and no amount of discussion will change those minds. That is, in deed, dangerous.

"Popular" science isn't science. There is far too much of that nonsense floating about. Even some of the cited sources put forth innuendo, not fact, not evidence. Intended on grabbing uninformed minds and opinions.

It would be laughable, if not so sad.

I believe life does exist elsewhere. Even intelligent life. The Universe is simply too vast to assume we are it, and only it.

However, they haven't visited us nor are likely to given that vastness of the Universe.

Evidence of such could never be kept from the public and it would spread far and wide.

 

[Questioner]

they haven't visited us

Based on what absolute 'knowledge'?

There are lots of baseless statements and intellectual garbage that get published in so-called peer reviewed journals.

Put up or shut up.

 

[COLGeek]

Based on what absolute 'knowledge'?

There are lots of baseless statements and intellectual garbage that get published in so-called peer reviewed journals.

Put up or shut up.

True, I don't know that for a fact. Nor does anyone.

But, I do know how the world works and what many have claimed, yet without a single shred of verifiable evidence.

There is no purpose in going over poor pictures/videos, testimony, eye witness accounts, or political grandstanding. The end result will be the same.

Your advice goes for you as well.

 

[RevPhilip]

Since I was a young child, I have always been intrigued by the night sky. I have watched and studied it all my life, I helped start an astronomy club in High School. I studied Astronomy in college. I served many years in and I retired from the military. Those years have included developing space communications systems at the Naval Electronics Laboratory. I also worked for NASA at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) as an original team member for the Voyager Project. I also worked on the Viking and Helios projects. I was the first "Telescope Operations Specialist" hired when the "Multiple MirrorObservatory was being built on Mt Hopkins in Arizona. I am a NASA Solar System Ambassador, and I still hold star parties and give lectures to various public groups and schools as requested.

Over most of my life, I can say honestly that not much has surprised me! I have seen many strange things and witnessed many odd events! Even though I have long since retired, I still love the night sky and will never get tired of studying it!

 

[mikeash]

Since I was a young child, I have always been intrigued by the night sky. I have watched and studied it all my life, I helped start an astronomy club in High School. I studied Astronomy in college. I served many years in and I retired from the military. Those years have included developing space communications systems at the Naval Electronics Laboratory. I also worked for NASA at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) as an original team member for the Voyager Project. I also worked on the Viking and Helios projects. I was the first "Telescope Operations Specialist" hired when the "Multiple MirrorObservatory was being built on Mt Hopkins in Arizona. I am a NASA Solar System Ambassador, and I still hold star parties and give lectures to various public groups and schools as requested.

Over most of my life, I can say honestly that not much has surprised me! I have seen many strange things and witnessed many odd events! Even though I have long since retired, I still love the night sky and will never get tired of studying it!

Ok, tell about some strange and odd events that someone with your background can't readily explain.

 

[mikeash]

Belief in alien visitors is no longer a quirk, but a widespread societal problem. This belief is slightly paradoxical as we have zero evidence that aliens even exist.

Belief in alien visits to Earth is spiraling out of control – here's why that's so dangerous : Read more

It is dangerous with an ever increasing distrust in science and government. And ever increasing terror of accepting that we are alone and beg for explanation of this existence. I must admit I watch Ancient Aliens , not because of those clowns and what they want you to believe, but they sure have nice coverage of places they cover. Like a travel log.

 

[orsobubu]

Ok, tell about some strange and odd events that someone with your background can't readily explain.

maybe he could silently suggest he is on something but he cannot deliver

 

[Unclear Engineer]

I think the cause and effect are being reversed in the article.

I think it is the misbehaviors of our politicians and media moguls with political agendas that have undermined our faith in "science", because we so often see it misused in their efforts to persuade us to help them advance their agendas. That naturally allows for undermining "official" statements that they are not hiding information about aliens.

I do agree that the trend in disbelief of official statements is dangerous. And, I suspect that the enemies of Western European and North American democracies are busy at their work of spreading misinformation and distrust to further their own political agendas by destabilizing the societies that oppose them.

So, when I see posts, here and elsewhere, making what I know are scientifically unsupported statements and sewing conspiracy theories, I usually wonder who those posters really are, and whether they even themselves believe some of the statements they make for public consumption.

SO, we need to remember that it is not just the entertainment industry that is encouraging and benefitting from this aliens conspiracy fad. Some of the posts we are reading are probably not intended to be benign with respect to our own wellbeing.

And, I am sure I will be attacked for this thought, on the basis that I am promoting a conspiracy theory. Ironic that it will be the proponents of conspiracy theories who attack for doing what they are doing, themselves.

 

[Questioner]

Solid well evidenced & reasoned [actual] science is not the problem,
It is half-baked conclusions that don't fit & sometimes diametrically contradict their own data & sound reasoning,
And still get published that taint the 'science' label.

One can't assume the universe is a closed system because the blue bird told you [hearsay]
One must provide evidence for that hypothesis which Lavoisier did with his experiments.

 

[AboveAndBeyond]

Belief is a poor substitute for certain knowledge. - Fred Hoyle

From an evolutionary standpoint there's no real survival penalty for false beliefs of the sort being raised by this article, so naturally they proliferate.

Gullibility isn't something that's gotten a lot of attention from evolutionary psychologists, i.e., why people generally are pretty gullible and are thus likely to believe just about anything.

 

[promytius]

Belief in alien visitors is no longer a quirk, but a widespread societal problem. This belief is slightly paradoxical as we have zero evidence that aliens even exist.

Belief in alien visits to Earth is spiraling out of control – here's why that's so dangerous : Read more

I'd like to hear more about that "zero evidence" and what your definition of evidence is. Denial is not a particularly profitable path. I'd be delighted to discuss the "evidence" with you any time, you might open a new perspective. Thanks.

 

[Gibsense]

I would like to see what Col Geek has to say about the Gimbal, Tic Tac, and GoFast videos released by the US Government as examples of UAPs (UFOs) . The Government has not stated these are Alien Crafts. However, I would be interested to know if Col Geek has an explanation for them. e.g. does he think they are genuine videos taken and not 'invented'? That is if he is ok to respond to the request.

The Tic Tac video is so weird it appears to be taking the 'Micky'

But then a video, released in 2021, shows an object moving erratically in the sky above the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier. A gov video that is fraud? It is important to say that the government does not say these are Alien; only that they are unexplained

 

[COLGeek]

Seeing something does not mean that something was of alien origin.

Those videos have been discussed before. I'll dig out the links later when not on a mobile device.

 

[Unclear Engineer]

If you want my opinion about a video, then provide a link to that video and I will watch it. Just referring to "evidence" that I am left to seek for myself is not something I am going to prioritize my limited time to get done. There is a never ending stream of people telling me that evidence exists for their opinions, without actually providing it, so that argument immediately falls flat with me.

 

[Gibsense]

Those videos have been discussed before. I'll dig out the links later when not on a mobile device.

Ok thanks

 

[COLGeek]

Ok thanks

In the meantime, search the site for UAP. Multiple discussions including the aforementioned videos.

 

[Gibsense]

An ex CIA boss stated the UAPs are real and has no clue as to what they are. Similarly a NASA guy here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643108422722768901

View: https://x.com/konstructivizm/status/1643108422722768901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1643108422722768901%7Ctwgr%5E6a2ba3d7a4172696f73e62fa8073f4f1adf83244%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.space.com%2Fthreads%2Fufos-worth-investigating-despite-lack-of-real-evidence-former-astronaut-scott-kelly-says.61650%2F


There seems little doubt that UAP/UFOs exist. We just do not know what they are

 

[Unclear Engineer]

A link to a video of a talking person is not what I am asking to see.

Show me the video of the actual phenomenon.

As I have already posted, I have my own UFO/UAP event, except that it became identified as I watched it. I cannot explain the physics for how the the mirage-like phenomenon occurred, and can understand how somebody could think it was something that it was not.

The point is that unidentified does not mean alien. And unidentified is not necessarily even a permanent end point - some phenomena do get explained, or at least identified as to their sources, if not exactly how the misperception is created.

 

[promytius]

Blah blah... you doubters always skip over the evidence, claiming it's not there. There is a compendium website MUFON, there are volumes of books and first person testimony, audio, and a plethora of videos.

Ah, the videos; that's where it gets all wonky for the doubters; "well, that could anything!" "swamp gas" "Venus"...

Again: the Gimbal, Tic Tac, and GoFast videos released by the US Government have no Earthly explanations.
Let's just stick to this one example , off the coast of San Diego, and it involves Navy, American naval video, radar, and infrared images of ALIENS performing physically impossible feats.

Start there.
Explain that.

Don't go pandering off in a tantrum of denial or putdowns; explain how those videos show scientifically explainable behavior.

Now, you, of course, won't be able to; so I made some popcorn and a nice cold diet drink; pulling up a comfortable chair and ready to be entertained by your answer.

Dazzle me with Science!
Thanks.

 

[promytius]

A link to a video of a talking person is not what I am asking to see.

Show me the video of the actual phenomenon.

As I have already posted, I have my own UFO/UAP event, except that it became identified as I watched it. I cannot explain the physics for how the the mirage-like phenomenon occurred, and can understand how somebody could think it was something that it was not.

The point is that unidentified does not mean alien. And unidentified is not necessarily even a permanent end point - some phenomena do get explained, or at least identified as to their sources, if not exactly how the misperception is created.

We've all seen them; some of us aren't in denial. They're real, and they're here. Start with the Gimbal, Tic Tac, and GoFast videos released by the US Government.

 

[Unclear Engineer]

Post the link(s) here, since you claim it is so easy to find. I don't want to spend my time looking for something and talking about it, only to have you claim it isn't the one you are talking about.

Your claim, so your job to present the evidence. If you want credibility, you need to present evidence.

And, don't call me a "denier". To justify that, you would have to have established fact that I refuse to accept. In the case of "aliens are here", you have not established that as fact.

We can look at evidence that you provide, but unless you can make a positive showing that there are aliens here, it is just a matter of opinion what the (actually unknown) cause of the unexplained phenomena could be.

 

[Gibsense]

A link to a video of a talking person is not what I am asking to see.

Show me the video of the actual phenomenon.

Pentagon UFO videos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No one said they are Alien, not me anyway, but they may be. I would though like to know what people here think they are. like do they have an opinion worth listening to or is it the mock taking routine ( which can be fun anyway)

 

[promytius]

There is only one explanation for the videos: non-terrestrial intelligence. It is the only explanation that fits.
I have done the work, read the data, watched the videos, read the government documents, as have millions of others. I've researched, and speculated, and examined the facts, which I find lead straight to only one conclusion: aliens exist and are present on Earth.
Here's a great opportunity for you to do some deep diving; please explain the phenomena in scientific terms. I can explain it easily - alien tech.