Deep Impact Hoax - 2

[skyeagle409]

Telfrow---I think it's time we chose to let BB post with the only person who seems to understand his logic: BB.<br /><br />Telfrow,<br /><br />Roger that! It's amazing that someone can be so out of touch with reality and not be locked up in the "comfort home."<br /><br />

 

[bigbrain]

"Telfrow---I think it's time we chose to let BB post with the only person who seems to understand his logic: BB. <br /><br />Telfrow, <br /><br />Roger that! It's amazing that someone can be so out of touch with reality and not be locked up in the "comfort home." <br /><br /><br />Be calm. My assertion has its logic (have you not yet understood I am the most logic person in the world?): <br /><br />Suppose your government has decided to simulate attack to Twin Towers to make war against Iraq to seize its oil. <br /><br />What would you think to do? <br />To distroy the skyscrapers but not to kill many persons. <br /><br />It is just what they have done. <br />The attack has happened before skyscrapers were full of people. <br /><br />To make people more angry and anguished they have invented a list of many persons. <br /><br />If you read in the list "John Hughes", ok he is dead. <br />

 

[bigbrain]

I said before:<br />"Then go here: <br />http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/bye_bye_DI.html <br /><br />Read carefully: <br />"This image of the Deep Impact spacecraft was obtained with Caltech's 200-inch Hale telescope on top of Palomar Mountain at 4:00 AM PST (12:00 UT) Thursday January 13, 2005, about 15 hours after the spacecraft's successul launch. Deep Impact was about 260,000 km (163,000 mi) away from the Earth, moving at a speed of about 16,000 km/hour (10,000 mi/hr). This high speed causes the spacecraft to appear as a streak across the sky in the constellation Virgo during the 10-minute exposure time of the image. The spacraft is visible because it is reflecting light from the sun as it begins its journey towards comet Tempel 1. This image was obtained by Dr. Michael D. Hicks and Dr. Bonnie J. Buratti, both at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory". <br /><br />I said also:<br />"In this site: <br />http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/media/deepimpact-070805.html <br /><br />They say: <br />"Expectations for Deep Impact's flyby spacecraft were exceeded during its close brush with the comet. The craft is more than 3.5 million kilometers (2.2 million miles) from Tempel 1 and opening the distance at approximately 37,000 kilometers per hour (23,000 miles per hour). The flyby spacecraft is undergoing a thorough checkout, and all systems appear to be in excellent operating condition". <br /><br />Then your probe changes its speed, from 37,000 kph<br />to 16,000 kph.<br /><br />Has it the foot-brake?<br /><br />

 

[dragon04]

I don't suppose you noticed the DATE of your first link. DI was moving at 16KPH as observed on January 13, 2005 just after launch.<br /><br />The second provided link (with the date conveniently omitted) obviously came AFTER the fly by. Its speed at that time was 37KPH<br /><br />It didn't DEcelerate over the course of 6 months it ACcelerated.<br /><br />DUH. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

I have heard your Shuttle has some troubles and that take off is in doubt because of the clouds.<br /><br />But, how is it?<br /><br />You can send a probe to Mars at a distance of 500 million kilometers without seeing nothing in the darkness of universe, you can hit a comet at a distance of 133 million kilometers with a space-gun and are you not able to launch your rocket because of the clouds?<br /><br />Another incredible, stupefacient, astonishing thing.<br /><br />

 

[bigbrain]

What special brakes do you use for slowing down the speed of your probes from 140,000 kph to 85,000 kph for landing on Mars?<br /><br />

 

[lunatio_gordin]

no, no! we must let him lament in silence <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" />

 

[votefornimitz]

I think that i understand his logic, but as far as i see, it is a little inconsistent......But, there is undeniable evidence that the nations space program is a hoax, just as there is undeniable evidence that its all real..... Orbiting the Earth is one thing, going million of miles into space is something compltly else, and since our private companies with minds far more brilliant than nasa are only getting people into orbit, i don't think that the people over at nasa, who can't even pick the right day to launch a shuttle could send deep impact into tempel 1 (well, i do, but i am being the devils advocate)... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

NO, You will not mess with anyones ego, that is entirely unacceptable. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[dragon04]

"But, there is undeniable evidence that the nations space program is a hoax"<br /><br />Can you link me to this undeniable evidence?<br /><br />"Orbiting the Earth is one thing, going million of miles into space is something compltly else"<br /><br />SO we are to believe that the Pioneer, Voyager, Apollo, Mariner, Venera, Galileo, Magellan, Viking, Cassini and half a dozen other programs were all hoaxes?<br /><br />And if not, Which ones were hoaxes? And if any were not a hoax, what premise is there that ANY were a hoax?<br /><br /><br />"i don't think that the people over at nasa, who can't even pick the right day to launch a shuttle could send deep impact into tempel 1"<br /><br />I'll disregard the blatant disrespect that you show your betters and refer back to Newton and Kepler on this one.<br /><br />Kepler proved (note that they cal them LAWS and not Theories) along with Newton (again, LAWS) that not only can you predict where any body will be at a specific time, but that you can figure out a trajectory to it.<br /><br />I think I remember you stating that you're in the 8th grade or something. I want you to do something. I want you to save this post to a floppy or CD, learn the math and physics, and then re-read this in 10 years. You'll feel pretty silly.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[dragon04]

I've developed a Boolean formula for egocentrists, Eddie.<br /><br />Re = ((Fk*E)*Uo))<br /><br />Where:<br /><br />Re = Respect<br />Fk = Factual knowledge<br />E = Education<br />Uo = Orifice one is using to speak<br /><br />Obviously any Uo south of the head = 0 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

Tell me what small object voyager crashed into that far out? I am also glad that you know exactly who i am and who my betters are, despite your very limited knowledge on me, but, you continue to make assumptions. Sure, you can predict an objects path, if nothing outside acts on it. I'll tell you what i am going to do, i am going to browse SDC for ten minutes, come back here, and laugh at how you think you know exaclty who i am and how i think... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[votefornimitz]

Eddie, in dealing with you, i can look at myself every time i feel sad, log on, read a few of your posts, and feel much better about myself. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[dragon04]

Voyager was not designed to crash into anything. DI WAS designed to. The dead hands of Kepler and Newton guided the probe to Tempel.<br /><br />The impactor was then released to intercept Tempel.<br /><br />An NFL quarterback can throw a pass (a moving object) to intersect his receiver (another moving object) without using any math or physics at all.<br /><br />So if NASA shoots a bullet at a specific target with a known velocity and trajectory, all they have to do is figure out how fast they need to send it on its way.<br /><br />DI had star tracking instruments to use as a reference to correct its position to keep it on the proper trajectory.<br /><br />Mariners have been using the same principle for centuries to determine their position. All you need is an accurate chronometer.<br /><br />As far as other bodies acting on DI gravitationally speaking, refer back to the star sighting equipment. Let's say they used Canopus as a point of reference.<br /><br />It's light years away. NASA knows where it "should" be in relation to DI's position at any given time.<br /><br />They know where Tempel will be, and at what velocity it travels at. That give them the ability to make course changes through triangulation.<br /><br />What part of this don't you understand? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[najab]

By that you meant that his cheerful disposition and positive outlook on life cheers you right out of your sadness...right?

 

[votefornimitz]

Yeah, since you are the moderator, we willl go with that..... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

“By that you meant that his cheerful disposition and positive outlook on life cheers you right out of your sadness...right?”<br /><br />Positive outlook on life is a good thing and I am very sorry but I am obliged to tell you that cheerfulness is not enough to hit a comet at the distance of 133 million kilometres in the darkness of universe. <br />Often a positive outlook on life is not enough to cure serious illnesses.<br /><br />“So if NASA shoots a bullet at a specific target with a known velocity and trajectory, all they have to do is figure out how fast they need to send it on its way”.<br /><br />You are a dreamer. Not even on the earth it is so easy to hit a target at the distance of 10 kilometers.<br /><br />“DI had star tracking instruments to use as a reference to correct its position to keep it on the proper trajectory. <br />Mariners have been using the same principle for centuries to determine their position. All you need is an accurate chronometer. <br />As far as other bodies acting on DI gravitationally speaking, refer back to the star sighting equipment. Let's say they used Canopus as a point of reference. <br />It's light years away. NASA knows where it "should" be in relation to DI's position at any given time”.<br /><br />These are all nonsense. Mariners have only one star as reference: pole star. Looking at pole star they knew North direction. On their right East, on their left West and behind South. Nothing more.<br /><br />Stars in the sky are no use for Deep Impact because they are practically at infinite distance. Therefore, even if you are out of the right course of 100 million kilometres you see the stars at the same position and your relationship with them and the relationship among them is the same.<br /><br />Then you can not use stars as reference.<br /><br />“They know where Tempel will be, and at what velocity it travels at. That give them the ability to make course changes through triangulation”.<br /><br />Not at all. They know nothing about position o

 

[petepan]

<font color="yellow">These are all nonsense. Mariners have only one star as reference: pole star. Looking at pole star they knew North direction. On their right East, on their left West and behind South. Nothing more. </font><br /><br />Oh really!?<br /><br />So, what did Captain Cook use when he discovered Australia? How did he navigate, because in the Southern hemisphere there is no 'pole' star. (makes polar alignment of a telescope a ****** too)<br /><br />sheesh <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br />

 

[bigbrain]

"Oh really!? <br /><br />So, what did Captain Cook use when he discovered Australia? How did he navigate, because in the Southern hemisphere there is no 'pole' star. (makes polar alignment of a telescope a ****** too)".<br /><br />Really.<br />Captain Cook was an explorer who went in search of other lands. <br /><br />Often they went without knowing where they would have arrived.<br /><br />With more difficulties (because no star is aligned with terrestrial axis) there are other stars in Southern hemisphere that you can take as reference for North direction.<br /><br />

 

[najab]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>These are all nonsense. Mariners have only one star as reference: pole star. Looking at pole star they knew North direction. On their right East, on their left West and behind South. Nothing more. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>So they could tell which way they were facing, but how could they tell <b>where</b> they were? How far North or South or East or West?

 

[bigbrain]

"So they could tell which way they were facing, but how could they tell where they were? How far North or South or East or West?"<br /><br />Above all they navigated looking at the coasts. <br /><br />In other situations they went North for a certain time, then they went 30 degrees East for another time and so on.<br /><br /><br /> <br />

 

[bigbrain]

Go here please:<br />http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/spacecraft/flybyspacecraft.html<br />http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/spacecraft/instruments.html<br /><br />This probe looks like a children toy. <br /><br />Look at the two "Star Trackers". <br />Nasa buffoons probe moves in the space looking at two points.<br /><br />Although they can not use stars as reference for the reasons that I have said, <br />also children know that in 3D space they need 3 points, in this case 3 stars, 3 co-ordinates to locate a point.<br /><br />Do you not agree?<br /><br />

 

[eosophobiac]

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[votefornimitz]

I am glad that we have a self proclaimed post rater,which as i recall, no one asked,Attached to this post would be a picture supporting Bb's case, but i have no idea how to compress it, so we are at a standstill. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="color:#993366">In the event of a full scale nuclear war or NEO impact event, there are two categories of underground shelters available to the public, distinguished by depth underground: bunkers and graves...</span> </div>

 

[yevaud]

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