do you think the moon landing was fake?

[thugfella]

i thought of this for many reasons....first being<br /><br />when i watched it the flag was fluttering on the moon<br />How can the flag be fluttering?when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon?and i no that they brought baxk rocks but they could of easily been made fake in the lab.the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed ...but nasa nevr released a real video link So networks actually had to film man's greatest achievement from a TV screen in Houston ...and the photos? astronauts took thousands of them each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred. <br />plus the cameras had no white meters or view ponders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing. There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless. They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized suits. It should have been almost impossible with the gloves on their fingers. anyways theres alot more but what do you guys think?<br />

 

[thugfella]

plus you see neil armstrong comin out of the space ship...if he was the first person on the moon who took his photo?

 

[nevers]

Commencing count down...10...9...8...fasten safety belts...7...666...5...check ignition...4...3...2...1...blast-off!

 

[telfrow]

Start here….<br />http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html<br /><br />And as for all the photos being “perfect,” go here and you can see every picture taken on every mission. You’ll find the astronauts took plenty of bad photos – just like any other amateur photographer.<br />http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

And these...<br /><br />http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/<br /><br />http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm<br /><br />http://www.clavius.org/<br /><br />http://24.73.239.154:8081/moonshot/debunkpg2.htm<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[taolung]

Yes, not much more I can say that what the Bad Astronomer has already detailed. But to briefly answer your questions:<br /><br />The flag is attached to a retractable bar that extends horizontally above it, so the flag hangs from it. When the astronauts are adjusting the flag pole, the horizontal bar from which the flag hangs also moves. That motion is then transferred to the flag. The bottom of the flag moves last. The flag isn't waving in the breeze, the fabric itself is moving.<br /><br />Photos that show a "waving" flag without anyone nearby is the result of the horizontal bar having got stuck, and not fully extended.<br /><br />The astronauts went through extensive training and practice with the cameras, but still turned out hundreds of useless photos. Of course, the only ones you see published are the good ones.<br /><br />Anyway, read through all of Phils info at Bad Astronomy if you want some good info on the subject.

 

[adzel_3000]

Here is a link to an SDC article that discussed recent orbital images of the Apollo 15 the landing site:<br /><br />http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/apollo15_touchdown_photos_010427.html <br /><br />

 

[yevaud]

Try this:<br /><br />There are literally many, many ten's of thousands of people involved with the Space Program.<br /><br />Are you seriously suggesting that either:<br /><br />A. Tens of thousands of trained scientists, engineers, and mission specialists were all duped?<br /><br />Or<br /><br />B. That tens of thousands of trained scientists, engineers, and mission specialists have kept their mouth's shut for 35+ years - and no one has ever said a word?<br /><br />Seriously consider these, before you post a response. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[aaron38]

The Soviet Union, with a totalitarian government, could have faked a moon landing in the 60's. They could disapear to the Siberian gulags anyone who threatened to talk or knew too much. But even IF they had, with all the cold war defections that occured, we would have found out about it easily.<br /><br />The fact that the USSR DIDN'T fake a moon landing argues pretty well that we didn't either.<br />

 

[Saiph]

Lets deal with the ones you brought up:<br /><br />1) A flag can't shake when there's no wind? I take it you've never shaken a sheet out before folding it. The flag "waved" because the pole was being messed with. It was held "out" by a wire so that you could actually see the flag. It waved so much, cause there was nothing to stop it (no air).<br /><br />2) Faking those rocks wouldn't be easy, heck, probably not possible considering the number of geologists that look at them.<br /><br />3) Lots of poor pictures.<br /><br />4) Sure, they didn't release a direct video link...I'm not sure, but it could have been a technology thing at the time.<br /><br />5) The cameras were built with a bit of shielding to help protect agianst those things.<br /><br />6) Who says they switched the film while in the suits? Who says they switched at all (you could just have one huge roll!) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

What else is fake? Mars rovers? Voyager? The Directv satellites?<br /><br />I kind of look at it as a package deal, its all real, or its all fake.<br /><br />BTW, how do the flat earthers explain how satellite TV works? What is the dish pointing at? How else could it work than exactly how they say it works? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[tfwthom]

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[alokmohan]

The flag was fluttering due to inertia.

 

[petepan]

ROFLMAO <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[kauboi]

Well said! Those are all false believes. Everybody knows that nothing can avert the 7 years of bad luck after breaking a mirror. <br /><br />Bunch of ignorants!

 

[CalliArcale]

Point by point rebuttal, for fun: <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /><b>How can the flag be fluttering?when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon?</b><br /><br />Although discussed by other posters, I'll discuss it again for completeness. Look closely the next time you watch film of a moon landing. Notice that it only waves when an astronaut is holding onto the flag or the pole. Wind is not the only thing that can wiggle stuff. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> (In the still pictures, it looks like it's waving, but that's only because on Apollo 11, the rod at the top of the flagpole meant to hold the flag open in the airless environment didn't extend completely. This left a wrinkle in the flag's material. The unintended effect was so attractive that subsequent moonwalkers deliberately set it up that way.)<br /><br /><b>and i no that they brought baxk rocks but they could of easily been made fake in the lab.the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed ...</b><br /><br />Nope, it's not easy to make a moon rock that will fool generations of highly trained geologists. The most notable feature of the moon rocks (apart from their unique crystalline structure and the evidence of direct exposure to the solar wind for centuries) is the fact that they are completely dry. There isn't any water at all in them. This is impossible to duplicate on Earth; some water will get in somwhere.<br /><br /><b>but nasa nevr released a real video link So networks actually had to film man's greatest achievement from a TV screen in Houston</b><br /><br />This isn't really true. There was a video downlink via radio from the Moon for <b>all</b> moon landings (although on one mission, I can't remember which, the video camera failed and they only had audio). But in order to pick up the signal, you had to have a pretty big dish antenna. There aren't any TV networks with that kind of resource even today. The signal was received and retransmitted <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[5stone10]

Yes and No.<br /><br />Then Yes again.<br /><br /><br />I believe they hired the set designers from Godzilla to recreate the "moonscape" !

 

[5stone10]

<font color="yellow">if he was the first person on the moon who took his photo?</font><br /><br />Elvis of course !

 

[alokmohan]

But badastronomy.com has a different view abot motion of the flag.Will you disagree?

 

[Leovinus]

At one point I think there was a motion picture taken of a fluttering flag on the moon -- it was during ascent stage liftoff and the rocket exhaust really wreaked havoc. On later missions, they planted the flag futher away from the LEM. <br /><br />This is just a vague memory, but if someone could check up on this I'd appreciate it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kmarinas86]

The flag had a curtain rod - no wires.<br /><br />http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=flag+designer+apollo+missions

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>But badastronomy.com has a different view abot motion of the flag.Will you disagree?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Huh? As far as I know, Phil Plait has said much the same thing about what causes flags to flutter when there is no air. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>At one point I think there was a motion picture taken of a fluttering flag on the moon -- it was during ascent stage liftoff and the rocket exhaust really wreaked havoc. On later missions, they planted the flag futher away from the LEM.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />You are correct, Leo! I've seen that clip. It was taken with a film camera out the window of the Eagle (Apollo 11). The flag is believed to have been knocked over by the rocket exhaust, although you can't tell for sure from the footage. It does turn immediately as if blown away by the rocket exhaust. They used a low frame rate to conserve weight (15 fps, if memory serves) as it means you need less film stock, so you don't get a good look at how it's flapping. But it is flapping.<br /><br />During lift-of, of course, there WAS wind on the Moon, albeit briefly. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[lewcos]

How come solar wind can supposedly "push" us along in space but it can't make a flag "flutter" ?

 

[Saiph]

actually it's light pressure that normally does it. And the reason it doesn't really factor in, is you need a huge surface area, and almost no mass, to benefit from it. You need square kilometers of sail to make a viable "solar sail". A flag is to small (and likely to heavy). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>