Hubble Space Telescope – Servicing Mission 4

[shuttle_guy]

<p>[</p><p>UOTE]&nbsp;Due to the lost time from tropical storm Fay and the umbilical problem the program is considering moving the launch target date from Oct. 8th to Oct 11th. This does not include any lost time which may come from Tropical Storm soon to be hurricane Hanna.......... <br />Posted by shuttle_guy[/QUOTE]</p><p>STS-126 would slip to the right day for day with any STS-125 launch slip.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[emerrill]

<p>Anybody know if they are looking at delaying rollout because of Hanna? From what I can tell from the latest forecasts, it seems pretty unlikely that the storm will cause 80mph winds at the cape (that's the rollback wind speed still, correct? Is that sustained or gust?), if it even gets that strong in general. But since forecasts are still ~3-4 days out, I wasn't sure if they were planning on taking the precaution?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Looking further out, it looks like TD 9 (soon to be TS Ike) is the next storm to be watching. It is currently forecast to be a hurricane by Thursday, and looks like it will be in the Florida area in about a week. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Anybody know if they are looking at delaying rollout because of Hanna? From what I can tell from the latest forecasts, it seems pretty unlikely that the storm will cause 80mph winds at the cape (that's the rollback wind speed still, correct? Is that sustained or gust?), if it even gets that strong in general. But since forecasts are still ~3-4 days out, I wasn't sure if they were planning on taking the precaution?&nbsp;Looking further out, it looks like TD 9 (soon to be TS Ike) is the next storm to be watching. It is currently forecast to be a hurricane by Thursday, and looks like it will be in the Florida area in about a week. <br />Posted by emerrill</DIV><br /><br />The current track for Hanna has it passing about 80 miles off the cosat, running parallel.</p><p>It might be risky...when is rollout scheduled?</p><p>TD9 (Soon to be Ike)&nbsp; is as you said about a week away; it's far too early to count on an accurate track. However, Cape Verde Hurricanes can be very powerful and persistant. An eye {insert rim shot here} will need to be kept on it as well.</p><p>There's also what might soon become TD 10 right behind it now coming off the African coast. It is the peak of hurricane season, and particularly the peak time for the formation of Cape Verde hurricanes.</p><p>Running out to the pad now might be like setting up a sitting duck with a target on it. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bpcooper]

<p>It was postponed for Hanna. Probably several days.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts125/status.html </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-Ben</p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It was postponed for Hanna. Probably several days.&nbsp;http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts125/status.html <br />Posted by bpcooper</DIV><br /><br />That's good. That will give some time to assess Ike's future as well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[3488]

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<font color="#ff0000">The current track for Hanna has it passing about 80 miles off the cosat, running parallel.It might be risky...when is rollout scheduled?TD9 (Soon to be Ike)&nbsp; is as you said about a week away; it's far too early to count on an accurate track. However, Cape Verde Hurricanes can be very powerful and persistant. An eye {insert rim shot here} will need to be kept on it as well.There's also what might soon become TD 10 right behind it now coming off the African coast. It is the peak of hurricane season, and particularly the peak time for the formation of Cape Verde hurricanes.Running out to the pad now might be like setting up a sitting duck with a target on it. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne[</font>/QUOTE]</p><p><font size="2"><strong>Yes I agreee Wayne. </strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>TD 10 / Josephine to the S E of the Cape Verde Islands is looking more organised aslo, following Ike. That track is turning into a real Storm Alley now.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Of course we do not what what tracks Ike & Josephine will take, but one or the other or both could cause problems with STS 125 rollout. </strong></font><br /> </p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yes I agreee Wayne. TD 10 / Josephine to the S E of the Cape Verde Islands is looking more organised aslo, following Ike. That track is turning into a real Storm Alley now.Of course we do not what what tracks Ike & Josephine will take, but one or the other or both could cause problems with STS 125 rollout. Andrew Brown.&nbsp; <br />Posted by 3488</DIV><br /><br />Hey Andrew, you've got to chill a bit on naming storms before they've formed. You could wind up with lots of egg on yer face LOL! It's not even a TD yet, though it does look pretty strong. But many strong lows have come off the African coast only to wither and expire </p><p>Regarding Hanna, the latest forecast takes Hanna to cat 2, with Hurricane Force winds only 50 miles offshore from the cape.</p><p>And the early part of the forecast has more uncertainty.</p><p>We will just have to wait until after Hanna passes, and see where and what Ike is at the time.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It was postponed for Hanna. Probably several days.&nbsp;http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts125/status.html <br />Posted by bpcooper</DIV></p><p>As of now the roll out delay is 24 hours, however I expect it will slip more than that.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>As of now the roll out delay is 24 hours, however I expect it will slip more than that. <br />Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV><br /><br />That makes sense. The current fcst calls for Hanna to pass by Thursday evening. But the forward speed/location is much more uncertain during the first 3 days, which might not change the track much, but might make a huge diffence in the timing. By Thursday night, not only will we sure Hanna has or what time it will pass, and the future of Ike should be much clearer. </p><p>I assume it's better to take it out once, rather than roll it out and back twice. From both a safety and logistics perspective.</p><p>Or am I wrong? Is it better to be at the pad for 2 days then be rolled back from a processing timeline?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That makes sense. The current fcst calls for Hanna to pass by Thursday evening. But the forward speed/location is much more uncertain during the first 3 days, which might not change the track much, but might make a huge diffence in the timing. By Thursday night, not only will we sure Hanna has or what time it will pass, and the future of Ike should be much clearer. I assume it's better to take it out once, rather than roll it out and back twice. From both a safety and logistics perspective.Or am I wrong? Is it better to be at the pad for 2 days then be rolled back from a processing timeline? <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>Correct. 2 days at the pad means we would waste manpower for no gain. Once at the pad we start a&nbsp;6 or 7&nbsp;day effort&nbsp;to verify the Pad interfaces and&nbsp;mate the quick disconnects to service the 35,000 pounds of OMS/RCS/APU/HPU hydergolic propellant.&nbsp;The interface test would be negated and would have to be reperformed. The hypergolic prop disconnects would have to be disconnected to roll back to the VAB.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Correct. 2 days at the pad means we would waste manpower for no gain. Once at the pad we start a&nbsp;6 or 7&nbsp;day effort&nbsp;to verify the Pad interfaces and&nbsp;mate the quick disconnects to service the 35,000 pounds of OMS/RCS/APU/HPU hydergolic propellant.&nbsp;The interface test would be negated and would have to be reperformed. The hypergolic prop disconnects would have to be disconnected to roll back to the VAB. <br />Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>Roll out to pad A is now planned for Saturday Sept. 6th<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[emerrill]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Roll out to pad A is now planned for Saturday Sept. 6th <br /> Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Do we know where that might place the launch? My understanding was that there was some slack in shuttle timeline, but that the HST timeline was going to force a launch delay. Where does that stand now?</p><p>Thanks </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Do we know where that might place the launch? My understanding was that there was some slack in shuttle timeline, but that the HST timeline was going to force a launch delay. Where does that stand now?Thanks <br />Posted by emerrill</DIV></p><p>This slip&nbsp;used up our 3 contingency days plus 4 days. launch No Earlier than Sunday Oct. 12th. This slips STS-126 launch as well.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[emerrill]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This slip&nbsp;used up our 3 contingency days plus 4 days. launch No Earlier than Sunday Oct. 12th. This slips STS-126 launch as well. <br /> Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>Just to clarfy something... Is that the 12th, or late the 11th. On the 11th the launchs move from early on day to late the previous day (if that makes any sense), so there were actually 2 windows on the 11th, one at 12:03am and one at 11:36pm.</p><p>Man, I think I just confused myself. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just to clarfy something... Is that the 12th, or late the 11th. On the 11th the launchs move from early on day to late the previous day (if that makes any sense), so there were actually 2 windows on the 11th, one at 12:03am and one at 11:36pm.Man, I think I just confused myself. <br />Posted by emerrill</DIV></p><p>Our SWAG (Scientific Waild A$$ Guess) is the 12th at 2346 hrs. the window extends to 0443 hrs on the 13th.&nbsp;</p><p>Not anywhere near being official.......</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Our SWAG (Scientific Waild A$$ Guess) is the 12th at 2346 hrs. the window extends to 0443 hrs on the 13th.&nbsp;Not anywhere near being official....... <br />Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>I obtained that that launch window info from Boeing....I think there may be a typo on their table.... I think the 0443 hrs should be 0043. All of the other window are on the order of a hour +/-.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[SM4_Engineer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Our SWAG (Scientific Waild A$$ Guess) is the 12th at 2346 hrs. the window extends to 0443 hrs on the 13th.&nbsp;Not anywhere near being official....... <br /> Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>Just back to work and I can see you shuttle folks have had your plates full for the past week. Anyone have questions about the orbital phase of the mission? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bpcooper]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I obtained that that launch window info from Boeing....I think there may be a typo on their table.... I think the 0443 hrs should be 0043. All of the other window are on the order of a hour +/-. <br /> Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>Here is the windows chart from JSC:</p><p>&nbsp;http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/currentglance.html#WINDOWS</p><p>&nbsp;Because there are no orbital adjustments as with the ISS I don't think it will change by a few minutes every once in a while like the ISS missions do. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-Ben</p> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just back to work and I can see you shuttle folks have had your plates full for the past week. Anyone have questions about the orbital phase of the mission? <br />Posted by SM4_Engineer</DIV></p><p>I understand that the docking adapter will be attached to the Hubble as a function of inserting the Hubble into the servicing station in the Orbiter cargo bay. Does the crew have to do any manaul tasks to complete that attachment?&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[shuttle_guy]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Here is the windows chart from JSC:&nbsp;http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/currentglance.html#WINDOWSBecause there are no orbital adjustments as with the ISS I don't think it will change by a few minutes every once in a while like the ISS missions do. <br />Posted by bpcooper</DIV></p><p>Thanks, the Boeing window was obviously not correct for a&nbsp;rendezvous mission. (Unless we had reversed engineered a UFO propulsion system........not that we have such a craft....trust me on that<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />).</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[SM4_Engineer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand that the docking adapter will be attached to the Hubble as a function of inserting the Hubble into the servicing station in the Orbiter cargo bay. Does the crew have to do any manaul tasks to complete that attachment?&nbsp; <br /> Posted by shuttle_guy</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;Yes. John Grunsfeld will install a battery into the indicator system, use a power tool to drive the hex interface that latches the SCM to Hubble, then pulls the battery. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[earth_bound_misfit]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>. Anyone have questions about the orbital phase of the mission? <br /> Posted by SM4_Engineer</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Speaking for myself, not yet. Though once the mission is underway I'm sure I'll come up with something </p><p>You first post in this thread answered a lot of my questions, thanks!&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------- </p><p>Wanna see this site looking like the old SDC uplink?</p><p>Go here to see how: <strong>SDC Eye saver </strong>  </p> </div>

 

[SM4_Engineer]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Yes. John Grunsfeld will install a battery into the indicator system, use a power tool to drive the hex interface that latches the SCM to Hubble, then pulls the battery. <br /> Posted by SM4_Engineer</DIV><br />I just reread this question and thought I needed to clarify. The crew does not need to be on EVA to dock Hubble. Megan will capture Hubble with the RMS (robotic arm) and manuever it onto the three docking latches just as in past missions. Once docked the EVA crew will drive the hex interface to engage the SCM to the base of Hubble. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[emerrill]

<p>Looks like they are tenativly planning on rolling out Thrusday (tomorrow) 10am, since Hanna's track has moved quite eastwards. They will have a final weather breafing at 5:30. This all according to SFN:</p><p>http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts125/status.html</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Edit: Here is a track projection map:</p><p>http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5day#contents </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p>Since there are two threads on this mission, thought I'd post NASA TV scedule for next Monday and Tuesday Some are related in various aspects of this mission, others are of good general interest.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>September 8, Monday<br /><font color="#ff0000">8 a.m.</font></strong><font color="#ff0000"> - STS-125 Video B-Roll Feed - GSFC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /></font><strong>9 a.m.</strong> - NASA Overview Briefing - GSFC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /><strong>10 a.m.</strong> - Shuttle Program Overview Briefing - JSC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /><font color="#ff0000"><strong>11 a.m.</strong> - Hubble Space Telescope Program Overview Briefing - GSFC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong></font><br /><strong>12:30 p.m.</strong> - NASA TV Video File - HQ <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /><font color="#ff0000"><strong>1 p.m.</strong> - Hubble Space Telescope Science Overview Briefing - GSFC <strong>(All Channels)</strong><br /></font><br /><strong>September 9, Tuesday</strong><br /><font color="#ff0000"><strong>9 a.m.</strong> - STS-125 Video B-Roll Feed - JSC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /><strong>10 a.m.</strong> - STS-125 Mission Overview Briefing - JSC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /></font><font color="#ff0000"><strong>11:30 a.m.</strong> - STS-125 Spacewalk Overview Briefing - JSC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /></font><strong>1 p.m.</strong> - NASA TV Video File - HQ <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /><font color="#ff0000"><strong>2 p.m.</strong> - STS-125 Crew News Conference - JSC <strong>(Public and Media Channels)</strong><br /></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>