Well, Einstein didn't "do" dilation, so if valid, it would be a matter of physics. What are you actually focusing on via your original question?Is time dilation due to Einstein or Physical Nature
Thank you for your replyWell, Einstein didn't "do" dilation, so if valid, it would be a matter of physics. What are you actually focusing on via your original question?
Well, Einstein didn't "do" dilation, so if valid, it would be a matter of physics. What are you actually focusing on via your original question?
Rankin, I have the exact physical mechanical realistic answers for time which can be traced to the present and explain the exact physical mechanics of time dilation, inertia, gravity and expansion of the universe but are you open enough to accept the corrections to the misassumptions of modern physicists that leave you and future physicists in the dark for all eternity??Thank you for your reply
I wanted to separate "Einstein said" from the discussion. My goal is to determine a realistic possible source for time, which can be traced to the present and help explain time dilation, inertia, gravity and expansion of universe.
It is physical nature - something that was occurring from the early beginning of the universe, long before Einstein, whether any humans (or intelligent aliens) understood it or not. It is NOT some variation of Heisenberg's Principle (or Trees Falling in Forests) where it only exists if it is observed.Is time dilation due to Eisteinn or Physical Nature
Rankin Asked): Is time dilation due to Einstein or Physical Nature??
Ken Fabian Replied): It is physical nature - something that was occurring from the early beginning of the universe, long before Einstein, whether any humans (or intelligent aliens) understood it or not. It is NOT some variation of Heisenberg's Principle (or Trees Falling in Forests) where it only exists if it is observed.
In Einstein's time (when he first described it) it was hypothetical. Nowadays it can be measured.
While Billslugg, correctly, expresses the current "physical" curvature of spacetime view that is alleged to generate gravitational force in direct proportion to the mass of the object, the current view must be wrong because each and every particle of a mass cannot be a perpetual gravitational force energy machine in perpetuity??It is very hard to wrap the mind around the fact that the sum of time, distance proximity to mass, proximity to charge, and others, is a constant which is equal to the speed of light. This is why it is the same no matter how we measure it. It slows with velocity, mass, charge, momentum, energy, shear tensor. Get more of any of them and time slows to compensate. But only as viewed by an outside observer. To the person in the spaceship, near some mass, charge, energy, the clock speed appears normal.
"But only as viewed by an outside observer" . . . at a distance, thus a false reading since it is late, a history however late, and never on the spot. Even on the spot of an object reality, the emission of light, emission of a frame, will be behind the times of object reality, a past history to some degree, and object reality has moved on (including the object reality of any clock and time it then is showing). The more distance acquiring between unobservable object reality (spontaneous concurrent REALTIME) and observable frame of emitted SPACETIME the slower the image -- object and/or event -- in the light gets in time to be witnessed by any outside observer. Light, regarding the photo-emitted, can no more keep up with distance in time than it can keep up with distance in space. A growing distance from observers is a slowing time for the now imaginary SPACETIME traveler, whatever it may be. A contracting distance between observers and travelers is time speeding up for the imaginary traveler, whatever it may be, under observation.It is very hard to wrap the mind around the fact that the sum of time, distance proximity to mass, proximity to charge, and others, is a constant which is equal to the speed of light. This is why it is the same no matter how we measure it. It slows with velocity, mass, charge, momentum, energy, shear tensor. Get more of any of them and time slows to compensate. But only as viewed by an outside observer. To the person in the spaceship, near some mass, charge, energy, the clock speed appears normal.
Atlan0001, I can never get through to you that the universe has only three dimension and that as Classical Motion states): “There is only ONE rate of time. And it's universal. Omnipresent. Every second has universal volume!!”A growing distance from observers is a slowing time for the now imaginary SPACETIME traveler, whatever it may be. A contracting distance between observers and travelers is time speeding up for the imaginary traveler, whatever it may be, under observation.
More than one noted professional physicist has lamented "lazy physics" and physicist colleagues who are too lazy to rise up in their thinking processes ("Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds...." -- Albert Einstein). One-dimensional thinking doesn't only apply to physicists and physics, though....
The faster the speed, the greater the separations in relativity into many relativities, the greater the blink (the greater grows the application of the 'Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle'. to those separations . . . that blink . . . both microcosmically and macrocosmically. Relatively speaking though, regarding growing separation (including speed), think an expanding triangle (triangulation) of three points (three clocks), never just two points (two clocks) involved.
In contraction of separation, an oncoming at speed, think a contracting triangle (triangulation) of three points (three clocks), never just two points (two clocks) involved. One clock each (in growing separation / in oncoming) will be the blinking slower timing or blinking faster timing clock.
I can never get through to you that time (spontaneous concurrent REALTIME (t=0)) is based upon the universality of the Planck / Big Bang, Black / White Hole (Schrodinger-LIKE), collapsed cosmological constant (/\) point-singularity of an infinity of horizon universes [in] 'Horizon Mirror'.(the Infinite MULTIVERSE (multi-dimensional) Universe (which "multiverse" THE INDETERMINATE (the indefinite) "point singularity" well describes and defines))!Atlan0001, I can never get through to you that the universe has only three dimension and that as Classical Motion states): “There is only ONE rate of time. And it's universal. Omnipresent. Every second has universal volume!!”
You're confusing electromagnetic wave Doppler effect with universe time or observer time speeding up and universe or observer time slowing down!!
What you’re saying is that as an ambulance siren moves away from you and the pitch of the siren lowers due to Doppler effect that time slows down for the ambulance driver as he drives away ignoring the fact Earth Time ticks the same for the both of you!!
Well, universe time works the same way, Doppler effect lengthens the wavelength of electromagnetic waves for light from objects moving away from you and shortens the wavelength of light from objects moving towards you but the Universe Clock ticks the same for observers on objects moving away from each other because time for each observer is local time which is the same as universe time as Classical Motion states so brilliantly!!
Talk More, Soon!! Have A Great Day!
Though, Classical Motion, You, always, state the facts so eloquently and truthfully, I am unsure by your comment): “The wrong equations are used for it. Light is a duty cycle dynamic, not a wave dynamic.” ie how to distinguish between a “duty cycle dynamic” and a “wave dynamic”!!Time dilation(just like space expansion) is an illusion that comes from measurement error. It comes from the effects of inertia of our instruments. And the present narrative of light. Light has a different dynamic than what you have been taught.
The wrong equations are used for it. Light is a duty cycle dynamic, not a wave dynamic.
And neither length or time changes. Light is an on and off dynamic. The on time remains constant. But the off time changes with emitter motion. Because of added distance. The on time remains constant because the on time is emitted as a chunk, like a bale of hay.
This will produce deep duty cycle red shifts with conventional velocities at long distances. And this effect can be enhanced with our(detector) velocities. Our motion.
Our universe has always been square. It's why square velocities work like they do.
So much Mumbo Jumbo Double Talk!! Do you, even, understand what you're saying?? If so, please, explain with your proofs?? What does Planck or the absurd impossible Big Bang "Singularity" God that you worship alleged to be the omnipotent miraculous creator of "Everything Visisible and Invisible" including space itself 13.77 Billion Years, Ago, when the universe is, in fact, finite in volume, ageless and infinitely old beyond a reasonable doubt have to do with universe wide ticking of identical universe seconds in every locality in the Cosmos??I can never get through to you that time (spontaneous concurrent REALTIME (t=0)) is based upon the universality of the Planck / Big Bang, Black / White Hole (Schrodinger-LIKE), collapsed cosmological constant (/\) point-singularity of an infinity of horizon universes [in] 'Horizon Mirror'.(the Infinite MULTIVERSE (multi-dimensional) Universe (which "multiverse" THE INDETERMINATE (the indefinite) "point singularity" well describes and defines))!
How many points -- point-singularities -- to the balloon, ballooning, surfaces of horizon universes?! I estimate, guestimate, infinities! And ONE to the 'Horizon Mirror' . . . the 'Mirror Horizon' . . . ['Set'] of all! A very 'Dense Abyss'.
Thanks for your reply, Classical Motion!! I will mull over your concepts. So, is your "Duty Cycle Dynamic" like (DC) electric current flow and your "Wave Dynamic" like (AC) Alternating electric current flow??Waves like sound, seismic, and water waves have continuous alternations of such things as air pressure, location displacement and water level. The reference is usually an average or zero. And a wave is a continuous alternation above and below the reference. The reference can also be a direction and alternate from it. The important part is that it is continuous. AND if the wave shifts, or if the wave is stretched or compressed.........BOTH alternations are effected the same amount. Both parts are changed equally. Symmetrically.
A duty cycle has a waveform too, but it is much different than the continuous alternating waveform Duty cycle has an on time and a off time. One on time and one off time make the waveform. We use this type of signal for multiple functions today. It's called Pulse Width Modulation. One use is power regulation. We can ratio the on and off times to dim lights and control motors, and regulate air and fuel into your engine, just to mention a few.
One waveform can be described in many ways. One way is time. One is length. And one way is rate. Time is the duration of the waveform. How long it takes to pass a stationary point at c or at media velocity such as air.. This is called the period. If you draw a line at c during the period, that line will be the length of a light wave. And the number of waveforms at one light second is the Rate of the waveform. Flicker rate.
When we use PWM in our circuits, we usually hold the flicker rate constant, and vary the ratio of the on and off time....within a constant period. We do this with local fields and local current.
But EM radiation is different. Natures duty cycle is 50/50 without motion. And the emission is always the same length. The only thing that can be varied with motion is the off time. So light has an inverted PWM. With power we use pulse length. But with motion light, only the absence of length changes.
The space length or the off time length. And unlike our circuits, keeping the on time constant and changing off time........changes the period. It's Space Width Modulation.
Unlike the continuous waveform, the duty cycle waveform shifts in a much different manner. It's not symmetrical. The off time of the duty cycle is changed with motion.
Most of this might be difficult if not familiar with electronics. And even for such people the concept of space width modulation is highly unusual.
For our amusement Microsoft AI gave me 9 out of 30 facts?? about Sine Waves!!):One cannot avoid sine waves by expressing a wave form as a series of step increases. Any arbitrary wave form can be expressed as a sum of wave forms of different frequencies and phases. It is called a Fourier transform and is well established. The steeper the transition, the higher the frequencies that must be invoked to construct it.
Classical Motion Said):It does not matter that you posit a ramp instead of a step function. The sharp corners of the ramp cause high order sine wave to be invoked. Rounding the corners off can fix the problem but at that point we are simply back to a sine wave. No matter how you slice, dice and reshape your waveform it is always comprised of sine waves.
Interesting Take!! Except for the global nature of the 26 second Earth Crust rise and fall which implies a harmonic resonance from the Earth's Crust to lowest GP1 Aether Particle Pressure at the densest core center of the Earth alternating with each harmonic seismic pulsation from hottest to coldest in Earth’s densest central core!! (Ignore for now!!)The most probable cause of the 26 second period microseisms is winter storm waves from the Southern Ocean traveling northward and running up on the Afican continental shelf in the bight of Africa. Here is the conclusion from the 2006 paper:
"A possible mechanism may be long period oceanicwaves that interact with the continental shelf, perhaps reflecting from it, and constructively interfering in a narrowfrequency band in the deep ocean. In this case, the observedsource directivity may be caused by the shape of the Africancoast in the Gulf of Guinea."