Mars the anomalies The moon too.

pierround · Jul 11, 2007

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr /> Why would they "blur" the image. If they were trying to hide something, they would probably do something like this. Then there would be no questions to start with. <hr /></blockquote> It depends on who "they is", what if it was camouflage? More missing data from one of the mars express I think. Quit different, Olympus Mons. http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/olympus_mons_caldera.jpg Sand In a crater, I thought this was interesting while I was searching. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040519.html When you go to this link go to the link that says, impact crater. http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/SIC/impact_cratering/World_Craters_Web/intromap.html

telfrow · Jul 11, 2007

The original can be found here. Black and white, with no additional processing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

pierround · Jul 11, 2007

Thanks telfrow. Damn strange if you ask me. They are able to take that stuff out and fix it, like the face link I provided but not here. Damn strange. You can see the missing data were they took the small pixs, and pieced them together, that's why the linesare there. The towers against the black of space stand out like the biggest skyscrapers on Earth would do only these are even taller, then when photographed up close you get what we have here.

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 11, 2007

JonClarke - It is rather telling that "The Enterprise Mission" builds its case on poor quality reproductions at least 20 years old rather than much better quality digital versions of the original data. The Enterprisemission should have a new slogan.. Maybe SDC should have a contest to see who can come up with the best Enterprisemission slogan? "Enterprisemission: All the data that nobody else thinks is fit to print." "Pictures and You: How to make a living by drawing straight lines between any two random points." "Enterprisemission: Five guys and a dead duck can't be wrong about the nature of the Universe!" "Enterprisemission: You can have access to the Truth for $4.99 a month." "Enterprisemission: Buy my book or I'll shoot this dog." Or how about this gem: "Enterprisemission: :Lookit! I put a tex on imaege!" PS - Thanks for taking the time to look at the data and hand out some reality pills. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

3488 · Jul 11, 2007

Thanks telfrow. There has been enough stupidity on this thread. The 'towers' & 'dome' as MeteorWayne correctly said are where missing pixels have been filled in to smooth over data gaps. Also there are serious image compression issues in which a portion of an already compressed image has been blown up. Because data is missing already due to the original compression, an enlarged cropped part of that same image will look, well messy to say the least. Once again thanks for your link telfrow. That is a rather nice Clementine mosaic. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jul 11, 2007

Post deleted by 3488 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

pierround · Jul 11, 2007

A good place to look for fossils. http://www.msss.com/msss_images/2007/04/13/index.html 3488 says, <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />There has been enough stupidity on this thread.<hr /></blockquote> Yes we can tell by your double post. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

zenonmars · Jul 11, 2007

M_A: "Why would they "blur" the image" Because, when they don't, they have to answer for items like THIS: ................................ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · Jul 11, 2007

There has been enough stupidity on this thread. Yes we can tell by your double post. [mod hat on] Let's take the high road here, shall we? Let's discuss the issues, not the intellegence levels of the posters. Enough, okay? [/mod hat off] <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 11, 2007

Because, when they don't, they have to answer for items like THIS: Rocks? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jul 11, 2007

Once again thanks for your link telfrow. That is a rather nice Clementine mosaic. Yes, THX Datadawg ! It appears to me that the "towers" occur right at the stitches between the mosaic pieces. How tricky them tamperers are ! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> So has this surface been photo'ed since 1994 ? EDIT : Also are the individual strips that made up the mosaic seen in the link available as separate images ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

telfrow · Jul 11, 2007

If you click on the photo that comes up on the link I provided (which doesn't seem to be working very well right now) you will be able to see the smaller, individual photos that make up the mosaic. Interestingly, no "towers," but there are sections that have no data. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

That quote from "skipper" illustrates the whole prblem with the conspracist mind set. He sees areas of poor data and immediately assumes that it is evidence of tamering. Why can't it be just poor data? The is the simplest and most likely explanation. Those features don't even look like towers, just swaths of poor data. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jul 11, 2007

Rocks? Geez man are you blind. Them aliens are putting up black arrows all over our Moon ! Who knows what nefarious purpose these might serve ! {Sorry Zen, had to do it} OK, more seriously what are "we" supposed to be seeing in that image. About the only thing I see that picques my curiosity is a roundish rock pointed to. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

Both these "features" are on the visible side of the Moon. the "tower" is about 1300 km north and slightly east of the dark floored crater Grimaldi. If the "tower" were a real feature it is about 10 km across and at least 50 km high, scaling very roughly from the image. A feature this big would be easily visible through even a supermarket telescope and cast enormous shadows at sunrise and sunset. A tower like this would have been spotted back in the 17th century people like Riccioli (who mapped and named much smaller features) and visible to tens of thousands of amateurs today. Buy a telescope yourselves and go and look. It will post less than a 10th of what a new computer will cost you. Jon edited for spelling <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

mental_avenger · Jul 11, 2007

Same question. Why would they "blur" the image instead of merely editing it like this? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

Zen: Those are rocks in those image. Your point? You still have not answered my question as who you believe this demonstratable nonsense frrom Hoagland. Towers tens of km high on the visible side of the Moon that can be seen only in poor quality reproductions of the Zond 3 images and not the original data? Come on! You think you can smell rats in countless images from NASA, ESA, and the Soviets. But you believe Hoagland when he prints utter nonsense like this when all you have to do is go outside with a small (2")telescope you buy at a supermarket and prove him wrong? Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

telfrow · Jul 11, 2007

You're asking me? I have no idea. The whole thing is pretty cut and dried, as far as I'm concerned. Much ado about nothing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jul 11, 2007

"Why would they "blur" the image"? Because, when they don't, they have to answer for items like THIS: Let me guess: A stop sign, a Piston, a Cinder-block, and a Golfball. Conclusion: alien visitors are from the suburbs. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

pierround · Jul 11, 2007

They look to be of some sort of construction material. If nature did this what are the odds of that many in one spot? Has to be very high against this happening. JonClarke Areologist has no input on this? <blockquote>In reply to:<hr /> Zen: Those are rocks in those image. Your point?<hr /></blockquote> Ok I see your post? Really thatâ€™s what you see there? LMAO, Thatâ€™s not what I see there. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr /> If the "tower" were a real feature it is about 10 km across and at least 50 km high, scaling very roughly from the image.<hr /></blockquote> <hr /> I wouldn't thinkl they were that big. So you are saying that they missed that much information in the pictures? Same question. Why would they "blur" the image instead of merely editing it like this?<hr /> They missed it. But they do edit them why didnâ€™t they?

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

Damn strange if you ask me. They are able to take that stuff out and fix it, like the face link I provided but not here. If the data is not there, how can it be fixed? Damn strange. Honesty in data representation is strange for you? You can see the missing data were they took the small pixs, and pieced them together, that's why the linesare there. How do you knwo it was taken out? this is a complete assumption on your part. The simplest explanation is that it was never ther in the first place. The towers against the black of space stand out like the biggest skyscrapers on Earth would do only these are even taller, then when photographed up close you get what we have here. Are you referring to the Zond image? if that nonexistant tower actually existed it is a long way from the Clementine mosaic you showed. The Cementine moasic is of the northern latitudes of the lunar far side, nowhere near Grimaldi. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

They look to be of some sort of construction material. If nature did this what are the odds of that many in one spot? Has to be very high against this happening. JonClarke Areologist has no input on this? It what way do they look like construction material? wouldn't thinkl they were that big. So you are saying that they missed that much information in the pictures? They did not miss that much information because it isn't there. Features this big on the lunar near side would have been seen four hundred years ago. Same question. Why would they "blur" the image instead of merely editing it like this? The Clementine mosaic is nowhere near the Zond image. I don't see any sign of blurring, just absent data. They missed it. But they do edit them why didnâ€™t they? You have not provided any evidence of malicious data editing. What you have is data gaps and you assume, apparently because of your presuppositions, that it has been edited. Jon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

I am going off line until next Tuesday or Wednesday. When i get back I expect answers from: Zen - why be still believes Hoagland after such palpable nonsense about 50 km towers that somehow escaped observation for 400 years and can be seen only in dodgy reproductions of a single image from Zond 3. pierre - why do lunar blocks look like construction material and why lack of data can only be interpreted as editting rather than.... lack of data. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 11, 2007

I think your "filament" is mostly likely a somewhat steeper and thus more shadowed part of the wall of the pit. Now I must go <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

yevaud · Jul 11, 2007

Jon won't be back for several days. Remote Sensing involves sensor suites that sweep back and forth, or side to side, just like a pushbroom. The images are then merged together to create a full panorama of the area you're imaging. If you look carefully at the image posted by Mental_Avenger, you'll see the joins. In fact, you see this with many large-coverage images. Somethines they don't merge perfectly, and you get anomalies. That's all, really. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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