Matrian SNAKE !!!!!!!

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

claywoman · Feb 26, 2005

Extrasense, IT IS A ROCK!!! DO WE HAVE TO SHOUT TO GET YOUR ATTENTION? A PLAIN, CRUMBLY MARS ROCK!!! NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND BUT MOST HAVE BEEN CRUMBLING INTO SAND...IT IS A ROCK...Keep telling yourself its not, and you may find yourself in a nice room with lots of padding on it where you can yell and scream all you want and you won't bother anyone. They may even give you pills that will make you zone out, but I've heard it's a lovely trip....

bobvanx · Feb 26, 2005

cw, one possibility is that e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s is already there, and wants some company...

claywoman · Feb 26, 2005

That's true, but I don't think he's going to get any here....Or do you think I should visit him....and do away with his puter so he cannot talk about snaky rocks?

extrasense · Feb 26, 2005

'hat clay stinks to the high heaven

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

Pardon me, ES, but this thread belongs in SETI, not SSA. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

claywoman · Feb 26, 2005

I resent this childish remark, you said it once and that's all you can think of, I know, its hard to think with all those meds, right?

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

These following threads belong in SETI: M&L: Signs of Life on Titan SS&A: Matrian Snake!!!!! Life in Mars Announcement Was there a Civilization on Mars 200M years ago? Life on Mars Poll Tachyons do NOT travel faster than c? None of these are discussing scientific topics with any merit. They have all degenerated into hokey speculation, with wrong ideas, and very, very strange concepts. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

Saiph · Feb 26, 2005

actually, "Tachyon" belongs here. The rest do deal with life elsewhere, and so belong moreso in Seti. They don't belong there just because they're way out there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

You're probably right. But I threw it in, because of Jatslo's turning into a debate on weird Metaphysics and non-terminology. I actually only posted those as a sort of "public-service" announcement. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

THAT IS AN OPINION THAT IS NOT SUBSTANTIATED... Tachyons do exists, and you can neither disprove or prove their existance. Therefore your statements are opinions, and should not be taken seriously. You are very knowledgable though, but stop pretending to be a source, when in fact you are not. This is not a personal attack, it is symply my opinion based off of my observations. ---Jatslo

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

Hey, I'm taking philosophy and I am getting philosophical on you, is all. I like being compared to crazy and insane, though. That's what they said about Tesla, and Einstein too ;o) ---Jatslo

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

This is not a personal attack, it is symply my opinion based off of my observations. Absolutely agreed. Nor am I personally attacking you. It's just that after patiently attempting to explain the rights and wrongs of the subject matter, you've made some pretty...weird statements. Tachyons are Hypothetical. There's a difference between that word and "Theoretical." And, I even use the two inappropriately from time to time. A Hypothesis is not proven. A Theory, while it may not be the best explanation, works. So far, Tachyons are hypothetical only. That is all. And, as Saiph pointed out, the basic discussion about Tachyons - are they possible, will we ever detect them (directly or indirectly) - is legitimate. But you've been haring off into things that are more properly Metaphysics. That's ok, but it isn't science. At any rate, both Saiph and I recently gave you some links to references and texts that would give you a good, if basic, understanding of actual hard science. Please read them, and then start proposing ideas. You'll be surprised how well-received you'll be, and how credibly people suddenly begin to listen to your ideas. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

All I am saying is, is that tachyons, superstrings, and Gods are all the same animal. -Infinity + Infinity = Zero It is not 10 or 11 dimensions; it is infinity, infinity, and infinity... ---Jatslo

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

See? That's Metaphysics, not science. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

Do you know what a mathematical, or a philosophical anomaly is? How do you think mathematicians check their answers? A theory that is widely accepted is one that suggests that it is possible, through mathematics. A hypothesis is precursor to that process. Philosophy is utilized to translate the mathematics that substantiates a theory, or the theory can be unsubstantiated later. Like when Hawkins changed his mind. Mathematicians utilize counter weights and balances to check the probability that a hypothesis is in fact, a theory. When does a theory become a fact? It is a fact when the logic has reached equilibrium, and is balanced. I am sure you have heard the term checks and balances before, right? ---Jatslo

nacnud · Feb 26, 2005

claywoman: and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that snakes can petrify... I think they can you know. Loads of people are realy scared of snakes

Saiph · Feb 26, 2005

Tachyons may exist. They have never been detected. As such we cannot say they exist. Now, the interesting thing is, you say they do exist, but I can't prove or disprove it. Which is a contradictory statement btw. as far as your "philosophy" it has no groundings in reality, as it does not flow from one thing, logically to the next. I say that leprechauns are in my pocket, because the sky is blue. There is no connection. Your statements are actually worse, as you don't really lead from one to another, or base it off a real observable. It's the exact same as if I say a leprechaun is in my pocket. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

claywoman · Feb 26, 2005

Yes, I agree, this thread does belong in Seti, I guess, I have never opened that door and don't intend to do so... However, some of the others probably don't and belong here. If we use your rule of thumb, very few threads would be here, they'd be in Seti? why? Because at this time, we cannot prove them. However, before we get too slam happy with saying 'these threads have to go,' remember, very little of what we discuss in these thread are at this time, provable, I'm talking of thse proved, what Mars looks like in the vacinity of of the Rovers, and what a very small, almost minescule spot on Titan looks like. Should all the posts about theroy be put on Seti also?

yevaud · Feb 26, 2005

Hmmm.... Who's getting "slam-happy?" I'm merely pointing out that those threads aren't legitimately Space Science and Astronomy. And a great deal of what we discuss in these threads is "provable." This is, after all, a "Science" forum. And, I might add, a discussion, say, about the physical environment on Mars, Titan, or anywhere else is not a discussion as to whether or not "Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence" (the 'ETI' in SETI) exists there. That's all I was pointing out. And - no offense, because I have absolutely no beef with you, and certainly have enjoyed the sparring with you - but you're simultaneously saying to me to not discuss something which is a legitimate point, and all the while saying it's ok for those threads to discuss anything they wish - even though this isn't the appropriate venue for them. That's all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

claywoman · Feb 26, 2005

No I agree with you on most of the posts, but are all the ones you pointed out, Seti? I guess I'm just confused here.... I don't know about the tachyon's thread, since I haven't been able to make heads or tails of it...I guess that discussion is above me....but so is a lot of science...

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

What he said

) ---Jatslo

nacnud · Feb 26, 2005

...I guess that discussion is above me....but so is a lot of science... Rubbish! Science isn't hard or 'beyond' anyone on this board if you don't understand science it is the teachers fault not yours after all it is their job <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />. Seriously though science is easy compareed to speeling <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

extrasense · Feb 26, 2005

I see that a lot of people have been badly bitten by this snake.

jatslo · Feb 26, 2005

Reality is in the eyes of the beholder, and if your reality makes you happy, then I am happy for you. If your reality makes you sad, then maybe I can help make you happy, by providing you with an alternative version. Some realities are best kept secret, though. For example, I think this so called snake looks like a petrefied dog turd that is elongated by the low pressure on Mars, except for the life of me, I cannot figure out who walked their dog on Mars. ---Jatslo

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