Moon Landings Faked? (and all other space mission fakery)

[Valcan]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Why does this conspiracy even get traction? Seriously it isnt like we went to the bottom of the ocean where no one could see. We went to the freaking moon. Its right there in the sky. The russians saw us. Its not like they were "omg you did so not go!!!!!". no they know we went everyone with an ounce of intelligence does.

Guess what dont tell anyone.....WE DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! Shhh....then we did it even more!!!!!!!!!

Tell no one is big secret.

 

[Smersh]

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Hi Valcan - yes we did it before on six successful Apollo missions and, providing sufficient funds are provided for any of the various worldwide space agencies we'll do it again. In any case, private missions operated by Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic and others are planning to go there eventually I believe and I'm hoping they will land one or more of their missions near the historic Apollo sites so that the paying "space tourists" will be able to see the hardware left behind and take photographs etc.

 

[frodo1008]

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Astronomical observatories around the world have been using the reflectors from the Apollo landing site for years. They use these reflectors with very high powered lasers to determine the moons position and distance from the earth in increments that are as little as a few centimeters over more than 300,000 kilometers!

In order to do this, those reflectors would have had to be placed by some sort of artificial device, there is nothing in nature itself that could have done that so precisely.

To their great and lasting credit the Russians did do this sort of thing with one artificial robot in Lunakhod 1. And I say more power to them for an effort very well done! But its reflector was NOT in any of the Apollo landing site areas, where most of these reflectors are located and used by these very capable astronomers.

So, most of those reflectors would have had to be placed by the Apollo astronauts, or they would simply not exist at all.

At the end of the very good National Geographic program that totally debunked these conspiracy nuts, an astronomer ( I think it was at Kitt peak, but I am not sure) where one of these lasers does its incredible work stated that NONE of these so called conspiracy characters had EVER visited their facility!!

To me at least it was very apt that the program was ended with that particular segment, as it proved a positive and irrefutable point against the Moon Hoax People!!

And from one of those 400,000 people that was responsible for seeing to it that we actually did place men on the moon with Apollo, that is THE END OF THE MATTER!!! :x :x :x

 

[ZenGalacticore]

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Frodo- Not only all of that that you said, but why would we fake the Moon-landings SIX TIMES!?

It would seem that "one" fake would be enough. As if one could keep THAT secret. Keeping it secret six times?

:lol: < That's all I can do...

 

[Smersh]

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Absolutely Zen and just think - next time we go there we'll probably have to "fake it" even MORE than six times ...

 

[frodo1008]

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Actually, everything in the entire universe is just a giant fake, and a figment of my very fertile imagination!

Conspiracies, conspiracies, and then more conspiracies, they are EVERYWHERE!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Kerberos]

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Are you sure you aren't still on NASA's payroll, Frodo? Is there something you need to tell us?

 

[frodo1008]

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Sorry, although it might appear as such (I still have a great deal of fondness and respect for NASA, its contractors, and especially its people) I am not now, nor was I ever under the direct employ of NASA.

What I did was to work for Rocketdyne (which built some 95% of all the US liquid rocket engines ever built and launched) from 1962 through the year 2000. During that time the main company itself went from being North American Aviation to North American Rockwell, to Rockwell International, and finally to Rocketdyne Boeing. Where I retired from Boeing in April of the year 2000 (good heavens, it has been an entire decade since then!)

A little of my time was in manufacturing directly, some in engineering, but by far the most was in Quality Assurance. I had about a dozen job classifications, some in the Union (which I also have a great fondness for and respect of), and some salaried. I worked on engines for the Gemini, Delta, Atlas, Saturn (Apollo), and the fourth stage of the Peacekeeper missile.

For most of the 1970's I worked at the LAD division on the B1A bomber project. Where most of my time was spent in Systems Engineering as an assistant and associate design engineer on that truly excellent project.

Most of my last years working (from 1977 through 2000) were spent in various capacities in Quality Assurance working on the greatest single piece of engineering ever turned out by such a high tech and excellent company as Rocketdyne. The truly fantastic SSME liquid main engines for the Space Shuttle. However, towards the end of my career for most of the last 5 years or so I also got to work on the RS68 and the Linear Aerospike (I think its designation was the RS2000) Engines which were to be used on the unfortunately aborted X 33.

While at it I also obtains an AA degree with a major in physics from Pierce Jr. Col in 1972, and an AS degree in Numerical Control Programming from the same institution in 1982.

I also married the most wonderful woman in 1963, and had and raised two great children with her (Emma and I fully hope to have our 50th wedding anniversary in 2012). and just on the side I was also in the California National Guard for some 8.5 years during the Viet Nahm era, and obtained the rank of Spec E6 and an honorable discharge in that same time frame.

To put it mildly, I was a young man with a whole lot of fire in my veins and soul!

Hopefully, that is a reasonably full answer to your implied query.

And thanks for even being interested in the first place.

 

[MeteorWayne]

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Fear not frodo. Kerberos makes such unfounded accusations, suggesting some kind of conspiracy about many posters. To be honest, it's disingenuous, annoying, and troll like enough that moderator action might be needed.

MW

 

[Kerberos]

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I love this thread. It's the thread that keeps on giving.

 

[frodo1008]

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Thanks for the confidence MW. However, I would like to think that I have just also given him as total an answer as anybody on these boards is ever going to give about the validity of their career(s)!

And I hate to say it , but there are a relative number of at least semi trolls on this political forum that make reasonable and true moderate debate extremely difficult, if not downright impossible at times. And I find that to be a very sad situation.

Believe me when I state that in no way do I envy the jobs of you MODS here!

 

[MeteorWayne]

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LOL, I don't envy the job either

BTW, frodo, I can only hope I am as articulate as you are when I reach your tender age You are a great voice for the mature perspective on life.

MW, the young'un :lol:

 

[frodo1008]

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Thank you a lot MW, that was indeed a very nice complement and post!

I find myself in the very fortunate position of having retained at least most of my youthful mental capacity, while at the same time at least gaining some of the wisdom that comes with getting older and more experienced.

I hope that my children (Heck, all children for that matter) can do the same!

Once again thanks, and have a truly wonderful day.

 

[pmn1]

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I'm starting to think if we rounded up the hoax believers, took them to the moon, showed them the landing sites and all the hardware, they still would still think it was a put on.

They would claim they were given drugs to make them believe.........

 

[pmn1]

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Why does this conspiracy even get traction? Seriously it isnt like we went to the bottom of the ocean where no one could see. We went to the freaking moon. Its right there in the sky. The russians saw us. Its not like they were "omg you did so not go!!!!!". no they know we went everyone with an ounce of intelligence does.

Guess what dont tell anyone.....WE DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! Shhh....then we did it even more!!!!!!!!!

Tell no one is big secret.

The saying

'never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'

springs irresistibly to mind.....

 

[drwayne]

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I'm starting to think if we rounded up the hoax believers, took them to the moon, showed them the landing sites and all the hardware, they still would still think it was a put on.

They would claim they were given drugs to make them believe.........

Or the hardware was snuck up there sometime after the fact.

If you don't want to believe something, you can always find ways to avoid it.

 

[drwayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Why does this conspiracy even get traction? Seriously it isnt like we went to the bottom of the ocean where no one could see. We went to the freaking moon. Its right there in the sky. The russians saw us. Its not like they were "omg you did so not go!!!!!". no they know we went everyone with an ounce of intelligence does.

Guess what dont tell anyone.....WE DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! Shhh....then we did it even more!!!!!!!!!

Tell no one is big secret.

The saying

'never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'

springs irresistibly to mind.....

There appears to be a theory out there that the last person to post on a thread is the one who was right.

Maybe I should just lock this thread.

HUGE

 

[Smersh]

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... Maybe I should just lock this thread ...

I reckon you'd be wasting your time doing that Doc. Another hair-brained hoax believer would soon appear out of the woodwork and start a new one, then you guys would only have to merge them again.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

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... Maybe I should just lock this thread ...

I reckon you'd be wasting your time doing that Doc. Another hair-brained hoax believer would soon appear out of the woodwork and start a new one, then you guys would only have to merge them again.

Of course, Jimbo started this thread as a question, not a statement. And he was noticeably astounded by the hoaxers, going by the way the question was asked.

I think most times, most of the rational members here are just toying around with the sincere hoaxers when they bother to engage them.

It's like Darth Vader in a contest with pre-Jedi school graduation Luke! :lol:

 

[crazyeddie]

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Here's a new photo of the Apollo 16 landing site, taken by the LRO. Amazing detail.....you can actually see the tracks of their footprints and pieces of equipment. Of course, the conspiracy theorists will insist the photo has been doctored, but since there no amount of evidence will appease such people, they don't matter:

http://sciencefriday.com/

 

[SpeedFreek]

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I think most times, most of the rational members here are just toying around with the sincere hoaxers when they bother to engage them.

It's like Darth Vader in a contest with pre-Jedi school graduation Luke! :lol:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. The bird just flaps about, knocks over all the pieces, and then flies back to its flock and claims victory.

 

[Kerberos]

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That's a common excuse used by the believers and NASA apologists when they can't explain away problems with the so-called Moon-landing. It's the modus operandi of the NASA agents who seek only to confuse and ridicule honest seekers of the truth.

 

[frodo1008]

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You ARE kidding Kerberos, right?

If men did not actually visit those places on the moon, then just how did the reflectors for lasers (which could not possibly work without them) get placed there in a precise enough manner to allow special lasers tied into telescopes to give us measurements of the moon's distance from the Earth down to centimeter accuracy?

Of are you (a normally rational being whose opinions I can respect, even even when I disagree with them) just having fun being an internet troll?

You do know that if it is the later case, you can be banned, as it is directly against the rules here. SDC may have faults , but their efforts to keep rational debate going here is certainly not one of them. And in fact is what makes it possible for more rational people to even begin to discuss such subjects as this!!

Are you a such rational person, or just another troll????

Besides, the evidence for NASA having actually landed men on the moon is so incredibly overwhelming, I do not even understand how it can even be rationally debated by any thinking human being!

Let me see now, NASA somehow managed to place all those astronauts into the Apollo capsules in full view of millions of people, and then secretly took them out of the capsules and launched the largest rockets to ever leave the Earth, Then they managed to have those rockets just boost the last stage of those rockets somehow out of the earth/moon system with nobody noticing?

And of course, they also convinced all of those men (men with far more integrity than you or I will ever have, many of whom also served with very high distinction in our military) to totally lie about their entire experience?

Yeah, right!!

And of course, now all those new pictures showing that equipment on the moon have to also be faked, right? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, at least you are entertaining, I must admit to that anyway.

 

[ZiraldoAerospace]

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Why is this post in the forum called "The Unexplained" ? Seems pretty explained to me. By the way, why haven't the Russians ever said that we faked it? Or did their own fake for that matter? Or the Chinese? Or everyone???? Can anyone answer that? *Chirp Chirp Chirp* I THOUGHT NOT!

 

[Smersh]

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... Maybe I should just lock this thread ...

I reckon you'd be wasting your time doing that Doc. Another hair-brained hoax believer would soon appear out of the woodwork and start a new one, then you guys would only have to merge them again.

Of course, Jimbo started this thread as a question, not a statement. And he was noticeably astounded by the hoaxers, going by the way the question was asked.

I think most times, most of the rational members here are just toying around with the sincere hoaxers when they bother to engage them.

It's like Darth Vader in a contest with pre-Jedi school graduation Luke! :lol:

Hi Zen, I'd just like to make it clear I wasn't including Jimbo in my comment about the hoax believers. :shock: