Moon Landings Faked? (and all other space mission fakery)

[Quantum11]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

WRT exposure, check out sensor bloom - http://www.naturfotograf.com/D70_rev02.html - film has very similar, but less harsh, characteristics.

Listen, do you seriously think that the sort of people frequenting these forums haven't been exposed to the "moon landings were faked" nonsense for years? Do you think you're bringing something new to the table? We've all seen the "evidence" many, may times. However, we just dismiss it as the ravings of lunatics - and for very good reason. Every single point that has ever been raised has been easily refuted, many times over.

The trouble is, certain minorities in the community are simply delusional. Seeking answers for things that have already been answered. Nothing you will ever see will convince you you're wrong - but not because you're right, but because it's not what you want to hear. It's really that simple.

Now, I know you're going to accuse me of trolling or something, but I assure you I speak a truth which nearly every living person will agree with - it's not us that's missing some deep dark secret - it's you desperately trying to find one.
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I would be more convinced if instead of you few here who just continue to handwave, and use conjecture to try and sum up everything into a neat little, hoax people are crazy, therefore we don't need to answer any of your questions...Would instead...Take a good look at what I have offered, and REFUTE IT. Instead the same ignoranct method of answering nothing, and claiming how smart you all are.

Still waiting...

 

[Quantum11]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

"I was officially demanded to join the National Socialist Party. At this time (1937) I was already technical director of the Army Rocket Center at Peenemünde ... My refusal to join the party would have meant that I would have to abandon the work of my life. Therefore, I decided to join. My membership in the party did not involve any political activities ... in Spring 1940, one SS-Standartenführer (SS Colonel) Müller ... looked me up in my office at Peenemünde and told me that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had sent him with the order to urge me to join the SS. I called immediately on my military superior ... Major-General W. Dornberger. He informed me that ... if I wanted to continue our mutual work, I had no alternative but to join." - Wernher von Braun

The Nazi Rocketeers, From Dreams of Space to Crimes of War pp 58

More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

If you can't even look up Wiki what hope do we have that you will actually listen to anything anyone with a dissenting opinionyYou can put your head back in the sand now.

Do you read what you post? He could have left. His life was not in jeapordy. He could have chosen to attempt to defect to the west and continue his lifes work for the Americans. Then I would heartily agree he was a good choice for head of the American Space Program. But not an ardent NAZI who makes excuses for why he joins their ranks!


BTW, how does it feel to go from being a NASA apollogist to a NAZI apollogist?

Just wondering?

 

[Quantum11]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Quantum11-

Have you ever asked the question, "If they faked it, why did they fake it six times?"

And why didn't the Russians expose the Moon-landings if they were faked? The Soviets would've been all over it with indignant pride and bluster. Anything that would embarrass the West or make America look bad, at that time, they would've been rabid about it.

Logic?!? "We are not amused...".

Actually not just the Russians...

If the Moon Landing is a Hoax then the following people and organizations are in on it...
NASA, USSR, Russia, JAXA, and amateur astronomers everywhere, every scientist ever involved with anything Moon related, every investigative reporter, ESA... blah blah blah (Tens of Thousands of people…)


If the Moon landing is a hoax then the following people are correct...
Conspiracy theorists (dozens of people and their cats)

It’s funny that the average conspiracy theorist will argue with rocket scientists, Nobel-prize winners and every expert in the world in the field of spaceflight and astronomy despite having fewer qualifications than the average fry cook.

Listen to the experts speak of the deadly radiation in space enough...then try to get them to make you believe in Radiation Proof test pilots...

The two don't jive. And anyone beyond understanding that, intentionally lives in a world of self denial.

Period.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

If the shoe fits...

 

[Yuri_Armstrong]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

I guess it's time to adress the facets of your argument here.

1. CONJECTURE
You keep saying "CONJECTURE CONJECTURE CONJECTURE" as though we have not presented any counterarguments to your "evidence". But, if you bother to read any of this thread, there is an overwhelming majority of users here posting very good links from credible third party organizations and scientists that have proved the moon landings are real. You say if they were real, then why are there people disputing it? It's because there's always someone out there who thinks that everything the government does is evil and/or hates America.

2. "A growing number of people dispute the moon landings..."
Where did you get this idea from? Looking through this thread alone would show you that most people do in fact believe the landings were real and have provided good evidence to support that. You're basically asking for evidence that we can not give you. Even LRO pictures of the landing sites with the artifacts they left behind are disputed by you. I bet if we even took you to the moon to show you the landing sites you would say that they were deployed via unmanned methods. So I guess the only way you will ever get it through your head is if we built you a time machine and stuck you into Apollo 11.

3. "Nasa was run by NAZIS"
It gets a little tiring to hear you screaming "NAZIS!!!" all the time whenever you refer to brilliant engineers and scientists who made space exploration a real possibility. As has already been stated, those german scientists did not have much of a choice. Yes they were in the nazi party, but if they had not been then the Apollo program would not have happened. You also call us NASA/Nazi apologists, but what is there to apologize for? NASA has done a good job of providing evidence for the moon landings (but since they're the government all they're evidence isn't real right?)

4. Photographic anomalies
You keep posting RIDICULOUS amounts of pictures which are really giving our computers a hard time. If you bothered to look though, you would find that the photographic anomalies of the Apollo landings have been explained many times over for years.

5. "I want to see some explaining!!!"
We are explaining. Some people here have been explaining for years, others for decades. It gets a little tiring when we present you evidence and you immediately claim its fake. You can understand why it gets tiring after a while.

How about you explain this, how did they fake the gravity effects? And how do you explain the pictures of the landing sites by the LRO?

 

[SpeedFreek]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

If you would click on the articles, and such I've linked, you'll notice most of them are SCIENTIFIC papers.

Show me a scientific paper that says the Moon landings were a hoax, and I will be interested.

The pictures I have used are either from NASA or science communities. So, where is this UNSCIENTIFIC stuff you refer to?

As they say, it's all in the interpretation.

 

[a_lost_packet_]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

You read the heading right?

Comprehensive Flare Index "Major" Flares -- Helen Dodson-Prince

The word is MAJOR. Not MINOR.

Yes I know the dates they all occured as well:

"Major" is a relative description.

Please list the events that you wish to submit as evidence for your argument. A list of events that size needs to be parsed to focus on what it is you're trying to present as evidence.

Or, like with most of your "evidence" you're just trying to throw up as much smoke as possible...

You've already been given references, studies, shielding information, specific radiation concerns, results of tests and just about everything anyone would want to know about radiation and the Apollo program.

But, you ignored it all. Instead, you post picture after picture and ridiculous vid after vid...

With the kind of slipshod reasoning and faulty evidence you present, you aren't going to convince anyone of water being wet, much less that the Apollo missions were a hoax.

Feel free to look up those dates for yourself to confirm them. I did. TWICE. ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/SOLAR_FLARES/FLARES_INDEX/McMath/CFI55_80.TXT

If you're not going to make the effort to present information in a reasonable manner, why should anyone bother doing your homework for you? It's the same problem with most of the complete garbage you have offered as "evidence." Half of it is taken completely out of context and most of it is railroaded into supporting your assertions even though it's unrelated to them. Nothing you have offered as "evidence" can withstand any reasonable scrutiny at all. In fact, it hasn't. But, you continue to present it as if you have argued effectively against its criticisms. Why is that? Why do you fail to address effective criticism and continue with the same presentation even though the credibility of your "evidence" is rendered worthless by previous rebuttals?

In the 18'th Century, noble and commoner alike would sometimes entertain themselves by touring the local asylum. For a few pence, they could file through and witness the antics of the patients. Sometimes, clicking links in The Unexplained forum serves a similar purpose for a few members here. This thread is no different. We are in the Great Pit of Bedlam, Center Ring, with comfy seats in the front row.

What a show. That is, after all, why most of us are here. I don't really care that you believe the Moon missions were a hoax. I'm here to see the show. It's a thread on the Moon Hoax. That means it's "Audience Participation Night" at Bedlam.

If Nazis and the CIA can be brought into this thread... <shakes head> What's next? Penguin paratroopers perambulating promptly past patient patrons?

 

[yevaud]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

If Nazis and the CIA can be brought into this thread... <shakes head> What's next? Penguin paratroopers perambulating promptly past patient patrons?

Ooh, Godwin's Law rears it's ugly head.

/Munching popcorn

 

[Yuri_Armstrong]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

What a show. That is, after all, why most of us are here. I don't really care that you believe the Moon missions were a hoax. I'm here to see the show. It's a thread on the Moon Hoax. That means it's "Audience Participation Night" at Bedlam.

If Nazis and the CIA can be brought into this thread... <shakes head> What's next? Penguin paratroopers perambulating promptly past patient patrons?

This particular forum always brings a chuckle or two. Artifical gravity machines, converting aliens to christianity, alien moon bases... in the words of Meteor Wayne "fools can say whatever they want there before being ripped to shreds" :lol:

 

[yevaud]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Yes, I refer to this forum as "The Blender."

 

[Quantum11]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

What a show. That is, after all, why most of us are here. I don't really care that you believe the Moon missions were a hoax. I'm here to see the show. It's a thread on the Moon Hoax. That means it's "Audience Participation Night" at Bedlam.

If Nazis and the CIA can be brought into this thread... <shakes head> What's next? Penguin paratroopers perambulating promptly past patient patrons?

This particular forum always brings a chuckle or two. Artifical gravity machines, converting aliens to christianity, alien moon bases... in the words of Meteor Wayne "fools can say whatever they want there before being ripped to shreds" :lol:

Still waiting to be ripped to shreds...The only ammo I see in this thread is insults and hand-waving...

Still waiting for one of you to explain away those nasty MAJOR SOLAR FLARES recorded at the NGDC and lied about in the Apollo report, and further lied about by Jay Windley...

 

[fast3]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

It is silly to think the moon landings were faked.

I have very little tolerance for people that even suggest it...

I have heard it many times. Need to get the facts straight.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

And the point of that post is????

Welcome to Space.com.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

So just to be clear, what does H-a Imp, McMath Plage, Profile abcde, and Index mean?

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Mod Hat On***

Enough of this Nazi stuff. It is unrelated to the topic IMO, and MO counts. Take that to Politics, or I will.

Moderator Meteor Wayne

 

[Quantum11]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

So just to be clear, what does H-a Imp, McMath Plage, Profile abcde, and Index mean?

Write to NOAA and ask them. Also ask them how a human bean in an honey-combed aluminum container, or bouncing around in a Nylon outfit would fare if hit with one of them beyond our magnetosphere.

Then, when you wake up from your Apollo Fairy Tale, see how you get treated here. Although, once you are brave enough to speak to the topic, in public, with flesh and bone people. you'll be amazed at how many people already know Apollo was a fraud. That's if you ever become brave enough.

I personally doubt it!

 

[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Quantum11
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[MeteorWayne]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

Quantum11[/b]":2d3ovj0m]

So just to be clear, what does H-a Imp, McMath Plage, Profile abcde, and Index mean?

Write to NOAA and ask them. Also ask them how a human bean in an honey-combed aluminum container, or bouncing around in a Nylon outfit would fare if hit with one of them beyond our magnetosphere.

Then, when you wake up from your Apollo Fairy Tale, see how you get treated here. Although, once you are brave enough to speak to the topic, in public, with flesh and bone people. you'll be amazed at how many people already know Apollo was a fraud. That's if you ever become brave enough.

I personally doubt it!

That's not how it works here at SDC. You are the one saying that this is evidence of major flares that would have killed or incapacitated the astronauts. It's up to you to demonstrate that fact, not just post a bunch of numbers you don't understand.
Again, I'd suggest you read the Community Guidelines

MW

 

[cosmored]

Re: Moon Landings Faked?

I posted this on page 31.

In zero gravity, things aren't pre-determined to point in any particular direction. Now, I'm assuming that you think NASA "faked" the LEO part because his jacket corner decided to point towards the Earth. This would require them to use wires and harnesses, and apply these to every single object to give the appearance of weightlessness. It would be far easier for them just to have used a vomit comet.


That footage was taken in gravity.
http://www.livevideo.com/video/7720A028 ... m-par.aspx
(4:10 time mark)

The corner of his jacket hangs down the way it would in gravity before he starts to jog in place. When he's jogging in place, the corner of his jacket goes up, stops, and comes back down the way it would in gravity. If you don't think gravity is the force that makes the corner of the jacket stop going up and come back down, tell us what the force is.

I'm still waiting for someone to address this.

The corner of Collins' jacked goes up because his upward movement jerks it up. It then stops, and goes back down. I say that it's strong gravity making it stop and go back down and it therefore couldn't have been filmed halfway to the moon and this footage is therefore strong evidence of fakery. Somebody explain why the corner of Collins' jacket stops going up and comes back down.

 

[cosmored]

Is NASA Faking Spacewalks Too?

In these two videos what looks like air bubbles can be seen rising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ynHKGzplQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1cWhD_6Nw

Go down about a third of the way in this link...
http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo3.htm

...to where it says, "APOLLO 9: Dave scott performs Extra Vehicular Activities LAVA # : LV-1998-00030.mov
The astronaut is unusually flexible compared to today's shuttle astronauts on EVAs; the Apollo suit does not appear to have bearings at the joints like the space shuttle extra vehicular suits. The experimental thermal samples flutter and follow non-linear curved paths, as if under the influence of or affected by atmospheric drag and turbulence. ".

That looks pretty suspicious.

I've seen long footage of zero-gravity so I don't doubt that they've acually made it into low earth orbit. Maybe they're faking some of this stuff to save money. I wonder if they fake space walks because of micro-meteorites.

The Chinese obviously faked their spacewalk...
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.aulis.com/cctv_discrepancies.htm
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/

...and the official NASA version is that the Chinese space walk was real so NASA has no credibility.

Jarrah White discusses a possible fake spacewalk in this video at the 4:45 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNP828YIUQo

He discusses another one in this video at the 7:45 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-NGXBIaaA

It looks like the Soviets may have been doing some faking too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPIBSkYO-U

This continues into part 11.

I watched the whole thing a year or so ago and there is more stuff scattered throughout the series about fakery in earth orbit. I wish I'd saved the time marks.

I'm also wondering about the Mars missions.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... faker&aq=f

I suppose that, if they can fake moon missions, they can fake space walks.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18614&start=300#wrap
(page 16 13th post from top)

 

[CommonMan]

Re: Is NASA Faking Spacewalks Too?

Oh, not again! Give us a break! You people are falling for a con by someone who started all this fake stuff, and they are rolling on the floor laughing at all you fools.

 

[Yuri_Armstrong]

Re: Is NASA Faking Spacewalks Too?

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. Next you're going to say that they faked the ISS.

 

[MeteorWayne]

This has been merged into the retitled Moon Landing Faked thread.

MMW

 

[cosmored]

People of average intelligence aren't swayed by handwaving and rhetoric. Let's hear some analyses of the evidence. First of all, do you pro-Apollo people think the Chinese spacewalk was real? The official NASA position on that is that it was real.

 

[Smersh]

I have a question for Quantam11, Cosmored and/or other Apollo hoax believers reading or posting in this thread. It's one of the two basic arguments supporting the fact that we landed men on the moon during the Apollo missions (the other being that the Soviets etc didn't blow the whistle) but as far as I can see nobody has yet answered, even though it has been asked and pointed out several times by various people.

Hundreds of thousands of people all over the world were either directly involved with, or contributed to, the Apollo missions. How come not a single one of those people has yet come forward to reveal it was all faked?